Who is the best HW boxer in the last 25 years?
- 07-02-2007, 01:52 AM
- 07-02-2007, 08:17 AM
I would have to say either Lennox Lewis. You can make a case for Holyfield and Holmes, but I would say Lewis.M.Ed. Ex Phys
- 07-02-2007, 08:45 AM
07-02-2007, 11:36 AM
I know alot of people will disagree.....but tyson in his prime was a force to be reckoned with. I've never seen a heavyweight with the speed and power mike had in his day......too bad he didn't have the mental stability to go with it, because if that were the case i think we'de be calling him, not ali "The Greatest"
07-02-2007, 01:32 PM
07-02-2007, 03:34 PM
Klitscho hits hard...Tyson was downright nasty...Lewis was strong and smart...holyfield was great...
Mercer, Bowe, Morrison, Moorer, Foreman, Douglas all were great...
07-02-2007, 03:35 PM
I would have to say holyfield though, becuase he has the longest span of being the undisputed champ in the past 25 years.
Edit: I am wrong...that would be Tyson.
Last edited by PumpingIron; 07-02-2007 at 06:05 PM.
07-02-2007, 05:17 PM
07-02-2007, 11:29 PM
Tyson was the best until he ditched his original trainer. All down hill from there. Not only did that guy know exactly how to train Tyson, he knew how to keep Tyson in check.
07-03-2007, 01:24 AM
07-03-2007, 04:05 AM
07-03-2007, 08:43 AM
I will agree with the old Joe Frazier comment, that Tyson in his prime was unbeatable. When he had speed and actual head movement he was amazing. Once he let Rooney go, it was all over
07-03-2007, 09:13 AM
07-03-2007, 11:53 AM
I never followed boxing real closely, which is why I started the thread. I guess if I had to say career-wise, maybe Lennox, and best in their prime = Tyson.
07-03-2007, 11:56 AM
Tyson never fought any great opponents. He was in the gap from Frazier-Ali-Foreman and Holyfield-Bowe-Lewis. He will always have an aura around him, but he never showed the heart of a champion or has a signature fight.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
07-03-2007, 11:59 AM
07-03-2007, 12:04 PM
07-03-2007, 12:13 PM
07-03-2007, 12:13 PM
07-03-2007, 12:14 PM
07-03-2007, 12:15 PM
Tyson struggles with a lot of the same argument as someone like a Matt Hughes in UFC. Not a lot of great compeition that he beat, but beat everyone who was put in front of him
07-03-2007, 12:29 PM
I just wanna throw some stats out there...
Michael "Jinx" Spinks 31-1-0 (21 KO)
James "Buster" Douglas 33-6-1 (25 KO)
Donovan "Razor" Ruddock 37-5-1 (28 KO)
Francios "The White Buffalo" Botha 44-4-2 (28 KO)
Andrew Golata 39-6-1 (32 KO)
Larry "The Easton Assasin" Holmes 69-6-0 (44 KO)
And when they fought...
Michael "Jinx" Spinks 31-0-0, Tyson had 6lbs
James "Buster" Douglas 29-4-1, Tyson gave up 11lbs
Donovan "Razor" Ruddock 24-1-1/24-2-1, Tyson gave up 9 and 22 lbs respectively
Francios "The White Buffalo" Botha 39-1-0, Tyson gave up 10lbs
Andrew Golata 36-4-0, Tyson gave up 18lbs
Larry "The Easton Assasin" Holmes 48-2-0, Tyson gave up 10lbs
Tyson usually fought under 220lbs...thats insane for a HW. For a predominant part of his career he only fought top 5 contenders. Most guys got hurt so badly by the man that he literally f-ed up the rest of their careers. It took 27 fights for Tyson to get his first loss, and and another 8 for the next, until he lost twice to holyfield in 96 and 97.
07-05-2007, 01:03 PM
07-05-2007, 01:10 PM
07-06-2007, 09:34 AM
07-06-2007, 12:08 PM
07-06-2007, 06:19 PM
Great thread, and unbelievably I agree with pretty much everything everyone is saying. If I had to pick, I would go with Lennox. I'm not a big Lennox fan, but I think he deserves the title. Tyson by far is my favorite, and who doesn't love Evander?
07-07-2007, 03:46 AM
Holmes was way passed his prime when he fought Tyson.
Spinks, a blown up light heavy, lost the fight before he even stepped into the ring with Tyson. This was Tyson at his most devastating.
Razor Ruddock was a one punch fighter. He had a hybrid hook/upper cut punch and that was basically it. A decent chin too.
Botha was never an upper echelon heavyweight. His record was made against tomato cans. He had neither the skills nor the ability to hang with Tyson and yet he was beating Tyson until he walked into a right.
Buster KO'd Tyson. Buster at the peak of his game and Tyson hardly trained for the fight. This was the beginning of the end for him.
Golata is a nut case who up and quit in their fight.
What made Tyson so amazing was not only his skill and attributes but the fact that he was so young. You saw this kid and couldn't help but get excited at the thought of what he could accomplish when he enters into his prime. Unfortunately, he never gave himself the chance to fulfill his potential.
My vote for greatness over the past 25 years goes to Larry Holmes and Holyfield.
07-07-2007, 08:20 PM
I like this thread because I can't tell you how many arguements the guys at my gym get into over this one. I say Tyson just in terms of raw talent and ability. As a young teen he made a living walking the streets of Flushing (I think) and knocking people out for their wallets...c'monnnn.
Had his career had the chance to stay under the guidance of Cuss Damato I think there would be a lot less of a question over who was the best.
07-07-2007, 10:56 PM
07-07-2007, 10:57 PM
07-09-2007, 01:54 PM
What PI said was so true. The more Tyson let Don King into his life the more it went downhill, Don King made him a celeb instead of a fighter, and Tyson started to really love that and it ruined his career imo.
In his prime --- you watch those fights man, he was just plain nasty, and those records PI listed, I dunno how you could argue they weren't "great" bc they were. They didn't seem it when they fought Tyson in his prime bc he literally MAULED them to the point of it really hurting their career. That is how nasty the kid was.
When I watch ESPN classic and see allllll those fights and see the ones nowadays and compare. It just isn't even close imo. Tyson fought with more adrenaline and intensity, and precision than anyone I have ever seen. Not to mention over hald his fights the guys had like a foot+mad weight on him.
07-09-2007, 11:10 PM
You mirror my thoughts. Holmes and Holyfield. I might give the edge to Holyfield, but could go either way.
I think Holyfield exposed Tyson for the skilled bully that he was. Tyson hit Holyfield with everything but the kitchen sink in that first fight. I think it was the 2nd round. Holyfield was unaffected and just kept coming. That is when Tyson looked for a way out and ate ear.
Buster Douglas essentially did the same thing. He took Tyson's best and put him down.
I miss that 70's era with so many great heavyweights. Not only Ali, Frasier, and Foreman. But also, Ken Norton, Jimmy Young, Ernie Shavers. It was a strong class.
07-10-2007, 07:35 AM
07-10-2007, 02:27 PM
07-10-2007, 03:47 PM
Kind of...basically after his trainer died and then he fired his next trainer...i forget if his firing his 2nd trainer was influenced by king of not...i'd say most likely
07-10-2007, 05:17 PM
We probably just see it a little differently. Maybe he looked bad because of his training habits, and maybe he just got out boxed by superior opponents in those fights. Maybe both. Whatever the reasons are, in the final analysis in both of those fights he was soundly thrashed. No champion gets there without overcoming adversity to some degree or another. With Tyson, when the adversity struck, he was not able to rise above and prevail.
07-10-2007, 05:59 PM
I agree, Tyson is a classic case of his environment...
But I think that his training was the reason he was defeated by a superiour opponent...he knocked down douglas though.
07-10-2007, 06:24 PM
tyson was the man,i grew up watching all his fights.....I bought that dvd that espn put out with all his early fights....great dvd!!
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07-10-2007, 06:26 PM
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