Most overrated QB's in the NFL!
- 10-18-2005, 03:51 PM
Most overrated QB's in the NFL!
When will people start discussing how much of a bust David Carr, Micheal Vick, and others are. Many of these Quarterbacks have talent but either can't stay upright enough(David Carr), aren't smart enough to run a system or tough enough(M.V) and others can't stay healthy(Chad Pennington, Brian Leftwich, Chris Sims and many others).
I can't wait till Matt Leinart comes to the NFL next year. Oh and what is up with all these injuries this year. My fantasy team is definitely dead!
- 10-18-2005, 04:01 PM
Originally Posted by asap nutrition
I was so pissed that they beat ND last weekend man... Damn I'm still heated from it
- 10-18-2005, 04:29 PM
Michael Vick is definately the #1 overrated player in the entire NFL. I'd take Matt Schaub the backup over him any day. He can be fun to watch, that is until he ends up on the injured list once again.
10-18-2005, 04:55 PM
is he over rated as a passer? of course. there are the few optimists of us left who still believe he will develop in time. but the fact remains that he wins games from the qb position. wither it's by running or throwing that's all that matters, the w. i think culpepper is the most overrated in the league.
10-18-2005, 05:06 PM
Culpepper is another one as you said. I think Marcus Vick has a better chance at being a good QB than Michael does. I think Mike even said his brother was a better passer.
10-18-2005, 05:27 PM
10-18-2005, 05:53 PM
youre right. in an interview mike said marcus was more accurate and that is painfully obvious watching him play at v tech this year, not to mention he is only .04 of a second slower in the 40 than mike. im jealous of who ever gets him once he leaves college. what i dont understand is the inconsistancy of culpepper. one season he leads the league in turnovers, the next he has the 2nd best passer stats in the league behind manning and look at him now.
10-20-2005, 02:12 PM
Marc Bulger, Kerry Collins, Trent Green, and to an extent Favre & Culpepper. Favre and Culpepper aren't able to carry their team on their own like I thought they would. I picked the Packers to be in the NFC title game this year becauise I still thought Favre could carry that team like he did in the late 90's
BTW, you can't really say Vick is a bust. His passing stats may not be pn the same level as Peyton Manning but the guy can win. He still can get better as a passer. Steve Young took a while to develop, John Elway didn't have great passing stats early in his career. He still has a chance to develop into a good passer IMO, he will have to because he won't last the way he's playing and I think he know it.
10-20-2005, 02:28 PM
Hmm...for some reason, it's not letting me quote people...but I agree with Iron W to an extent. It seems like it's Favre this, and Favre that, especially when Madden is talking about him. This guy has thrown SO many INT's, when the game is on the line (reg and post season) that he just cannot win the big games. But what is really weird about him, is that each and every time I think he is so overated and needs to hang it up, he lashes out and throws 4 TD passes the next game....it's like it's hit or miss with him anymore...but I guess Green's fumble's doesn't help the team win games either so...
10-20-2005, 02:49 PM
See the problem with Favre these past few years is he knows he has to carry that team on his back because the defense has been horrible and for some reason the front office doesnt like to spend money to get and/or keep talent at wide out. So with him thinking everything is on him he has tried to throw the perfect pass and take too many chances into coverage resulting in the higher number of ints. Is he over rated? Hell no! He just needs to stop thinking so much and just be the gunslinger he used to be. Lord knows he still has the arm to do it. Not to mention they got rid of his stud o line this past off season. That's not going to improve anybody's stats
10-20-2005, 04:13 PM
10-20-2005, 04:53 PM
Favre or Brady? You are absolutely crazy. Not only that, but you called Culpepper a great QB. For one, Favre has never really had a great supporting cast around him and when he did he won a SB and led his team to numerous postseason appearences (he always seemed to have a way of beating my Niners). The reason he throws so many picks is because the guy tries to do too much. Why? Because no one else around him does anything to put the team into a position to win. He knows this and sometimes he tries to do too much. Brady...all I have to say is 3 SB's in 4 years. Brady is an awesome pocket passer and he has a strong and accurate arm. I don't how you could call 2 future hall of famers overrated. Bulger isn't overrated in my opinion. A good example is what happened against the Colts. The score was 17 to 0 with Bulger in the game. Once he got hurt, the Colts totally took the game over and blasted the Rams. He is a little small and needs to gain a few pounds, but he has a pretty decent arm. Vick isn't a bust, but the guy needs to work on becoming a QB instead of trying to be a RB.
10-20-2005, 05:19 PM
Good points luckyboy. I also think Cullpepper is OT'ed as well....take moss away and he ain't **** but a turnover king.
ND, are you sure that Favre won a SB? I always thought that he was one of the oltimers that still hadn't? I'm probably confused though.
10-20-2005, 05:39 PM
10-20-2005, 05:41 PM
10-20-2005, 10:26 PM
Quarterbacks are only as good as their team. Put anyone of the quarterbacks mentioned in the latter on the Bucs team with thier D and running game this year.....(David Carr could lead the Bucs to the Superbowl). Tom Brady has more losses on his resume already thanks to the bad run d the Pats have. Overall, if your oline can't do squat and you dont have a dominant D to fall back on I dont care what quarteback you have.... even Vick won't cut it. Hell, if you have a great D, you could win the Superbowl with Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson.....NUFF SAID. To answer the original poster's question..... Mike Vick because of not him so much but what the media tries to make him out to be a guy that could lead his team to a Superbowl victory (which will never happen). Why? He isn't tough enough to play through pain......he is made of glass. Don't get me wrong, he could lead my Bucs to the Superbowl this year. Not becuse of Vick, but becuase of the D.... Peace.
10-20-2005, 10:58 PM
Yeah Trent Green is definitely overrated! Vick is good but I don't think the pros outweigh the cons by any means. I mean yeah is is an UNBELIEVABLE runner but the fact he can't complete a pass for **** doesn't justify his running ability. Therefore defenses stack up against the run whether its going to Dunn or Vick runs it himself. **** they need to turn him into a wideout lol.
10-21-2005, 12:08 AM
10-21-2005, 09:18 AM
That is true in a sense, but can apply to just about any position on the field. Without a good O-Line, a RB can't be effective. Without a good QB, a receiver doesn't have the opportunities to make plays. One or two good defensive players can't make up for the deficiencies in the rest of the defense. No one player can carry a team on his back, it takes a team effort. A good QB takes advantage of the resources around him and does the most with what he has to work with. Based on your generalization, any QB that played for the champion Patriots (maybe not this year), could become a great QB. Bull ****ing ****. Dilfer and Johnson won SB's because they didn't make huge mistakes. They went out there and did the job that was asked of them. Run the ball, don't turn the ball over and let the defense make plays. Some guys just don't understand this; that's when they try to do too much and start making mistakes and losing football games.Originally Posted by Vegas Lord
10-21-2005, 03:35 PM
hey, i didnt say the are not good.. they are just over rated!.
i agree about brady, he is a good pocket QB but he is still over rate, specially because he won 3 SBs. look at the pat offensive line they get no credit but they do 80 % of bradys job. you put some real presure on brady and he is done!
the same thing about frave, he is old and over rated, im not saying is not good. he has tons of talent but now that he is so old he throw tons of INTS. HE IS OVER RATED!
about Culpepper just because he is having a bad season doesnt mean that he is no good. he is fast on his feet and he can throw the ball he is also ( 250 pounds). the only reason they are having such a bad season its because their coach its terrible and they lack a good running game. + they have no really great WR...
just my opinion
every ******* is in title of and opinion and this is mine ******* opinion.
10-21-2005, 04:28 PM
10-23-2005, 04:02 AM
You idiots. Sorry, didn't mean to go off THAT strongly to begin with.
The REAL REASON Culpepper isn't playing good this year is he has NO TIME. Not just a less time, but NO time. The line is a complete shambles and they can't pass block. Sure, it hurts not having Moss, but he literally gets the ball then runs for his life. I've watched all the Vikes games the past 5 years and Culpepper IS a good QB but he needs time like anyone else. SOME time would be nice.
It's absolutely ridiculous to say he stinks. He broke the single season completion percentage in the NCAA, and has completed over 60% of his passes in the NFL year in and year out. When Moss has been out of the lineup in previous years he was just as effective. The difference is the line, not Moss, not anything else.
10-23-2005, 10:14 AM
The guy might be big and tough, but he has hands of butter; he fumbles a lot. No thanks, I'll take Brady, Favre, Manning, McNabb, Palmer, Little Manning, etc etc over him anyday.
10-23-2005, 10:33 AM
10-23-2005, 11:33 AM
Culpepper isn't doing much of that idiotic hand over hand chicken dance he loves to do now is he. When they got rid of Moss I remember thinking it reminded me of when B. Bonds got hurt and the Giants were talking **** about being as good a team without him. The NFL is about playmakers and not making mistakes, any QB that fumbles alot is a huge liablity (Culpepper, D. Kreig in the old days). I love Favre's toughness but agree he's overrated more as a result of the medias love for him than his own faults, they make him out to be superman and when Holmgren left the man who harped on the little things that kept Favre in check a little went out the door. I don't agree that Favre has had no talent around him, besides for this year (he really is a one man show this year). Marcus Vick may end up being a better QB than Mike Vick but he's not nearly as athletic. If Mike is 4.3 in the 40 then Marcus is prob 4.7 and not as loose in the hips. Just my 2 cents.
10-23-2005, 11:44 AM
10-23-2005, 01:12 PM
Actually Marcus has been timed as only .04 of a second slower than Mike in the 40 and from what I've seen is just as elusive. The only difference basically between the two is Mike throws lefty and has the stronger arm, Marcus is a righty and has more accuracy. About Culpepper not having any time, that's garbage. He did this exact same thing 2 years ago when he lead the league in turnovers. He was lucky enough to have an off co. that likes to air it out and he just so happened had to have one of the fastest receivers in the league to run under it. Now that he doesnt have either he looks awful and I dont see that changing with a more time or not. And I dont think theyve changed o-lines every year for the past 3 years.
10-23-2005, 01:48 PM
80% of Brady's job ? Quarterbacking is primarily a cerebral position, no one can do 80% of the thinking for you when they are worried about protecting your ass. If you put real pressure on any QB than they are done, Brady's not the only one who would be affected by a pass rushOriginally Posted by Maldito
10-23-2005, 07:50 PM
i concurOriginally Posted by Sir Foxx
Byron Leftwich hasn't impressed me particulary either
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