Most overrated QB's in the NFL!

anabolicrhino · 12-04-2005, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mental Energy

I see that some people don't know anything thing about football. The people making comments about Vick and Culpepper being overrated are crazy. You are probably people that the last time you put on a football uniform was for Halloween. If you played the game you would know how hard it is to win. There are no style points. Vick and Culpepper are two of the best in the game. Last time I remembered, Vick won 13 games last year and missed a few games. Manning threw for 49 TD's and didn't win the Superbowl did he? Stats dont mean everything. Vick has an intangible for winning.

Vick does have an intangible for winning. It is his sub 4.3 speed in his legs the guy has crazy acceleration and is hard to game plan against.It was the Falcons running game and defense that got them to the NFC championship.Michael Vick needs to develop his passing game. He is very inaccurate. He throws a terrible long ball for a guy who has one of the strongest arms in the league.

Dungeon1 · 12-04-2005, 11:35 PM

The question was who is the most overated quarterback, Vick is a great player, but a below average quarterback. His decision making skills are suspect. He has only ever thrown for 300 yards in 3 games. Matt Schaub proved this year that the Atlanta receivers can catch. Vic is overrated.

My pick for the most overrated is Ben Roethlesberger.

Mostunderated = Matt Hasselbeck.

VanillaGorilla · 12-05-2005, 12:26 AM

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Last time I remembered, Vick won 13 games last year and missed a few games. Manning threw for 49 TD's and didn't win the Superbowl did he? Stats dont mean everything. Vick has an intangible for winning.

Ok then if winning is your criteria for the best QBs in the game, what has vick won? Has he won a super bowl? Vick had a pretty big divisional game today, did he win that? Also if winning is how you judge a QB why aren't you saying Brady is the best in the game? Why aren't you saying the Brady gets it done mantra on every sports show instead of vick?

houseman · 12-05-2005, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mental Energy

I see that some people don't know anything thing about football. The people making comments about Vick and Culpepper being overrated are crazy. You are probably people that the last time you put on a football uniform was for Halloween. If you played the game you would know how hard it is to win. There are no style points. Vick and Culpepper are two of the best in the game. Last time I remembered, Vick won 13 games last year and missed a few games. Manning threw for 49 TD's and didn't win the Superbowl did he? Stats dont mean everything. Vick has an intangible for winning.

Hey ****tard. Vick's really getting the job done lately isn't it?

You tool.

**not_big_enuf** · 12-05-2005, 08:26 AM

The problem with Vick is that he puts the Falcons into a position where he HAS to make plays in the 4th because of his inability to do so in the first 3 quarters. Wow, he makes some good drives with his legs. Most QBs would be making more out of his team than he is. Plainly put, if he could throw and keep drives sustained with his arm more often, they'd score more and not have to pull a rabbit out of their asses in 4th.

LuckyBoy · 12-05-2005, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by VanillaGorilla

Also if winning is how you judge a QB why aren't you saying Brady is the best in the game? Why aren't you saying the Brady gets it done mantra on every sports show instead of vick?

well then i return the question to you i guess you can say that brady has fallen off considerably this year then? all this vick haterism is sad. you guys really need a hobby. let go of the hate. it will only shorten your life. it's getting kind of ridiculous.

houseman · 12-05-2005, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by LuckyBoy

well then i return the question to you i guess you can say that brady has fallen off considerably this year then? all this vick haterism is sad. you guys really need a hobby. let go of the hate. it will only shorten your life. it's getting kind of ridiculous.

Nah. I am enjoying it imensely

As far as Brady, yes. He's fall off alot this year. Given how many injuries that team is dealing with and the O-line... its not surprising.

What's Vick's defence?

LuckyBoy · 12-05-2005, 01:01 PM

vick's defense is they lost their best o-lineman in free agency and its only his 2nd year in the offense. also they are putting up points, at last checked they were in the top 10 in scoring so it's not the o's fault for atl's losses this year. minus probably yesterday. their d has given up 100+ yds rushing in all but 3 games this year. that and they have a 2nd yr and rookie receiver starting and roddy is just healthy now after 10 weeks of ankle injuries. the o-line is better suited for run blocking... the list goes on my friend. give it another year. for somebody who is 7-4 this year as a starter he sure receives a lot of flak. should i go on? lol

houseman · 12-05-2005, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyBoy

vick's defense is they lost their best o-lineman in free agency and its only his 2nd year in the offense. also they are putting up points, at last checked they were in the top 10 in scoring so it's not the o's fault for atl's losses this year. minus probably yesterday. their d has given up 100+ yds rushing in all but 3 games this year. that and they have a 2nd yr and rookie receiver starting and roddy is just healthy now after 10 weeks of ankle injuries. the o-line is better suited for run blocking... the list goes on my friend. give it another year. for somebody who is 7-4 this year as a starter he sure receives a lot of flak. should i go on? lol

Hmmm.

Bears are 9 and 3. And there's no way in hell I am suggesting Orton is responsible for ANY of those wins.

LuckyBoy · 12-05-2005, 01:07 PM

so what exactly is your point?

houseman · 12-05-2005, 01:12 PM

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somebody who is 7-4 this year as a starter he sure receives a lot of flak. should i go on? lol

Your saying that 7 and 4 is something to be proud of and he should be credited with those wins.

The Bears and Orton are better than the Flacons (in terms of wins) at this point so Orton should be hailed at all mighty liek Vick then.

MGH1982 · 12-05-2005, 01:20 PM

Most underrated - Matt Hasselbeck from seattle

VanillaGorilla · 12-05-2005, 04:09 PM

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well then i return the question to you i guess you can say that brady has fallen off considerably this year then? all this vick haterism is sad. you guys really need a hobby. let go of the hate. it will only shorten your life. it's getting kind of ridiculous.

I have never said that Brady is the best QB in the game. Under your rationale you should be though. I have never said that Tom Brady gets it done because I understand the FB is a team sport. You can have the best offense in the world but if your defense sucks your in trouble. This is demonstrated by the colts, Chiefs of the past, and unfortunately the patriots this season. What I don't under stand is the Vick lovers chain of logic. You guys love to say Vick gets it done and put all responsibly for winning games on Vick but when Vick looses it's someone else's fault. When confronted by his subpar QB ratings the Vick lovers logic says QB rating doesn't matter winning does. The Vick lover then goes on to attack Manning asking what he has done. This chain of logic makes absolutely no sense.
1. If winning games is the criteria for being a good QB why aren't you saying Brady is the best because the patriots have won 3 SBs in the past 4 years? Why not another QB that has a higher Winning percentage.
2. How can you say, "what has Manning done?", when Vick has done nothing as well. Manning has broken the record for most TD thrown in a season which in my mind is a pretty good indication the guy is a pretty good QB. Has Vick broken any records that would be indicative of a QB? No Has Vick won a SB before Peyton? No The only record Vick might break is rushing yards by a QB. The guy doesn't know when to slide so he probably won't stay healthy that long.

The Vick lovers logic chain makes no sense. I am not a Vick hater I am just tired of people saying the guy walks on water when he might have allot of athletic talent but isn't that good of a QB.

**not_big_enuf** · 12-05-2005, 04:17 PM

Let's see whose career is longer and who does more for their team. I'm guessing because of the way Vick plays, he won't be around that long. He's constantly injured because of how he plays and it will ultimately yield him to have a short, relatively ineffective reign in the NFL whereas Manning, Brady, etc, will be effective for MANY years to come.

Ultimately Vick will be remembered as a fun player to watch but a guy who never could become a true NFL QB and thusly will never win a Super Bowl. A QBs first job is to manage the offense and pass. When the offense gets into long yardage situations, running is the not the solution, it's passing, something he clearly can not do yet. A passing QB sustains drives, eats times off the clock and is productive and effecient. With efficiency comes lack of turnovers, yet another HUGE knock on Vick.

He's may be a fun player to watch but he's not a franchise QB.

houseman · 12-19-2005, 07:39 AM

How about that Michael Vick?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

****ing pussy just laid down and all but quit last night in the forth quarter.

13 of 32 passing 122 yard.
35 rushing yards

HAHAHA. He got his ****ing ass HANDED to him.

8 and 6 record. Can we NOW finally say he's about as overrated as it gets?

HAHAHAHAHAH Goooo Vick. LOL Pussy!

LuckyBoy · 12-19-2005, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by houseman

How about that Michael Vick?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

****ing pussy just laid down and all but quit last night in the forth quarter.

13 of 32 passing 122 yard.
35 rushing yards

HAHAHA. He got his ****ing ass HANDED to him.

8 and 6 record. Can we NOW finally say he's about as overrated as it gets?

HAHAHAHAHAH Goooo Vick. LOL Pussy!

i dont know what ****ing game you watched but i was there. there were a TON of dropped balls mostly by crumpler, he got those 35 yards on 2 runs. his ints, well, they were horribly underthrown which shocked the hell out of me. they took dunn out of the game and replaced him with duckett who cant catch anything out of the backfield in the second half, not sure why. I dont see how a bad game against the number one d with a windchill of -8 makes him a pussy. but since the ALMIGHTY HOUSEMAN SAID SO!!! and just so you kno, vick is 8-5 this year. if youre gonna talk **** get your facts right.

houseman · 12-19-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by LuckyBoy

i dont know what ****ing game you watched but i was there. there were a TON of dropped balls mostly by crumpler, he got those 35 yards on 2 runs. his ints, well, they were horribly underthrown which shocked the hell out of me. they took dunn out of the game and replaced him with duckett who cant catch anything out of the backfield in the second half, not sure why. I dont see how a bad game against the number one d with a windchill of -8 makes him a pussy. but since the ALMIGHTY HOUSEMAN SAID SO!!! and just so you kno, vick is 8-5 this year. if youre gonna talk **** get your facts right.

8 and 5. Over ****ing rated.

How come when the Falcons win, its because of Vick and when the Falcons lose, its because of someone other than Vick?

That pussy had no running game to get the job done which meant he had to play QB. And since, as QB, he sucks donkey balls, he couldn't do it with the arm either.

Good QB's rise to the occasion. Well, good players in general rise to the occassion. Falcons play-offs hinged a lot on this game. They needed this win. Not only did they lose but they got ****ing OWNED.

8 and 5 record. I stand corrected. I was a little giddy there for a second. Oh hell, make it 8 and 6 after next week's lose to TB or will they actually beat them this time around?

LOL. **** Vick. Pussy.

LuckyBoy · 12-19-2005, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by houseman

How come when the Falcons win, its because of Vick and when the Falcons lose, its because of someone other than Vick?

That pussy had no running game to get the job done which meant he had to play QB.

im not saying he didnt have anything to do with the loss, like i mentioned, his ints were awful when his receivers were incredibly open deep. but his usual dependable tight end dropped a ton of catchable balls. not vick's fault. they took his option in the flat (dunn) out in the second half for some reason, not his fault. and for not having a running game youre right.... 110+ yards against the number 1 d in the league is pretty shitty. they should just contract the team since they suck so bad. and actually atl won in tb last year pretty solidly after they lost to them at home so you shouldnt be surprised if it happens again. but of course you already knew that. you know everything