[natedogg]

Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59

Very Underrated: Jon Kitna

Not good enough to keep his job.

[Maldito]

Culpepper won GB lost ... they needed that win, big time.
but good game anyways

Plummer is a great QB. but they lost to the Giants.i was pretty surpriced about that, i didnt see that coming at all...

[weeenisss]

yeah minnesota won, im a green bay fan, favre needs to play with a coach that will make better play calls, mike sherman has let the packers down this year, like today, favre was completing over 80% of his passes, so on third and two sherman calls a draw play to a 3rd string running back instead of letting favre pass the ball and go for the win with a touch down, its not the first time he has done this, to quote mike sherman, "if i would have thought about it, i would have called a different play"...he needs to go, favre is a great QB that has been forced to take every game into his own hands by coaching and management staff... watch the throws he makes, no other QB could make them, you have a 35 year old QB forced to roll out and make plays because of a makeshift O-line and he still throws perfect passes, i cant think of any reciever in the NFL that wouldnt want a chance to play in a game with brett favre throwing the ball to them, other than maybe TO(because favre wouldn't take his **** like everyone else) brett favre is not over-rated by any means, to do what he has done every game(211 consecutive reg. season start, more counting post-season) puts him along side elway, marino, montana as far as greatness, I just hope the the Packers get a coach and GM that actually have winning as a priority before he gets too frustrated and hangs up his helmet. Michael Vick is over-rated. Brady and Manning are not. I haven't made up my mind about McNabb yet, hes good i just dont know how long he will last.

[natedogg]

Originally Posted by weeenisss

yeah minnesota won, im a green bay fan, favre needs to play with a coach that will make better play calls, mike sherman has let the packers down this year, like today, favre was completing over 80% of his passes, so on third and two sherman calls a draw play to a 3rd string running back instead of letting favre pass the ball and go for the win with a touch down, its not the first time he has done this, to quote mike sherman, "if i would have thought about it, i would have called a different play"...he needs to go, favre is a great QB that has been forced to take every game into his own hands by coaching and management staff... watch the throws he makes, no other QB could make them, you have a 35 year old QB forced to roll out and make plays because of a makeshift O-line and he still throws perfect passes, i cant think of any reciever in the NFL that wouldnt want a chance to play in a game with brett favre throwing the ball to them, other than maybe TO(because favre wouldn't take his **** like everyone else) brett favre is not over-rated by any means, to do what he has done every game(211 consecutive reg. season start, more counting post-season) puts him along side elway, marino, montana as far as greatness, I just hope the the Packers get a coach and GM that actually have winning as a priority before he gets too frustrated and hangs up his helmet. Michael Vick is over-rated. Brady and Manning are not. I haven't made up my mind about McNabb yet, hes good i just dont know how long he will last.

I like you.

[natedogg]

And Culpepper is done. He'll be lucky to play next year with the type of injury he sustained last weekend. It's not like the guy would have done much for the Vikings this year or next being overrated and all.

[CEDeoudes59]

yep, its too bad... I doubt he'll be as mobile again - forcing him to win games with his arm (with no threat of run). He'll be about as good a his fill-in, Brad Johnson. Superbowl champion Brad Johnson

[bigmontel]

Originally Posted by weeenisss

yeah minnesota won, im a green bay fan, favre needs to play with a coach that will make better play calls, mike sherman has let the packers down this year, like today, favre was completing over 80% of his passes, so on third and two sherman calls a draw play to a 3rd string running back instead of letting favre pass the ball and go for the win with a touch down, its not the first time he has done this, to quote mike sherman, "if i would have thought about it, i would have called a different play"...he needs to go, favre is a great QB that has been forced to take every game into his own hands by coaching and management staff... watch the throws he makes, no other QB could make them, you have a 35 year old QB forced to roll out and make plays because of a makeshift O-line and he still throws perfect passes, i cant think of any reciever in the NFL that wouldnt want a chance to play in a game with brett favre throwing the ball to them, other than maybe TO(because favre wouldn't take his **** like everyone else) brett favre is not over-rated by any means, to do what he has done every game(211 consecutive reg. season start, more counting post-season) puts him along side elway, marino, montana as far as greatness, I just hope the the Packers get a coach and GM that actually have winning as a priority before he gets too frustrated and hangs up his helmet. Michael Vick is over-rated. Brady and Manning are not. I haven't made up my mind about McNabb yet, hes good i just dont know how long he will last.

well i'm from Wisconsin so i'm a little bias but i would have to agree with everything you said, anyone that thinks Brett is overrated is an assclown, let's do a quick re-cap shall we...
3 time NFL MVP
8 probowls
3rd most winning QB in NFL history
been to 2 SB's and won one of them
and a couple of yardage and game start records

the only problem with Brett is his team and his coach, Sherman has drivin the Pack into the ground, the Off. line is a joke, and the Def. is in need of some serious work.

i really hope this is Brett's last year, i would have liked to see him hang it up last year when his record/team/coach didn't make him look so bad.

[Sir Foxx]

It seems as if Green Bay has gone the opposite direction in the twilight of Farve's career that Denver did in Elway's. In Denver, they did everything they could to surround Elway with the pieces to win the SuperBowl. In Green Bay, it's as if they are just waiting for him to retire to rebuild.

[bigmontel]

yeah i would kindof agree with that, the difference is that when Elway was getting close to retirement he actually had a team that could get him to the SB.
as far as the people in green bay waiting for him to retire so they can rebuild.....well i'd say the people of WI see brett as more of an icon and want him to retire more for the fact that they think his team/coach are tarnishing his name.

[judge-mental]

michael vick is the most overrated. btw did he ever had any recievers?

[houseman]

Originally Posted by Iron Warrior

Marc Bulger, Kerry Collins, Trent Green, and to an extent Favre & Culpepper. Favre and Culpepper aren't able to carry their team on their own like I thought they would. I picked the Packers to be in the NFC title game this year becauise I still thought Favre could carry that team like he did in the late 90's

I LOVE Favre. Behind Marino... he's my ultimate fav. QB but you had to be on glue if you think HE and he alone could have led this team to an NFC title game.

BTW, you can't really say Vick is a bust. His passing stats may not be pn the same level as Peyton Manning but the guy can win. He still can get better as a passer. Steve Young took a while to develop, John Elway didn't have great passing stats early in his career. He still has a chance to develop into a good passer IMO, he will have to because he won't last the way he's playing and I think he know it.

Same level as Payton? Dude, Vick isn't even on the same level as Vinny Testverde. lol

Seriously though, Vick what makes Vick a cancer is the fact he'll look to run at any chance he gets. He's not a QB. He's a running back who just happens to play in the QB position.

The knock on Mcnabb early on was that he'd pull the ball in and take to the run instead fo standing in the pocket and letting his receivers work to get open. Now, he stands in there and has become a better, more rounded and dare I say more threatening QB because you never know if he'll stand in there or pull the ball down and run it.

Same thing with Elway and Young. Yes, they developed into that but they did it in their 3-4 initial years. This iw Vicks... 4th in the league? I don't see him stopping to stand in there and wait for his receivers anytime soon. I think he has an arm to get the job done I just think he's all about the glory and plays selfish to the point where he won't change.

[LuckyBoy]

im so sick of all this running back who plays qb crap. guess what? he's 5-1 this year. stats dont mean anything without the w. and he wins. consistently. this is vick's 4th yr in the league, 3rd starting and the first time he's had the same offensive coordinator for back to back years. everyone is so quick to jump down his throat since his passing numbers arent the greatest, but until the league proves they can stop his running and make him stay in the pocket ALL the time then why change the formula that has worked VERY well? plays selfish LOL. i guess any play maker in the league is selfish then? anybody who improvises to keep moving the sticks is all about him? anybody who dives for the first instead of sliding to avoid a hit is all about numbers? give me a break. you cant argue with the wins. and thats where that arguement should end.

[not_big_enuf]

it's not vick, it's their running back and their defense. he does little to actually help that team offensively unless he's running. he's a horrible passer and can't be relied upon. gimme a break... he's a rb that plays qb and he'll NEVER win the big game until he can pass.

Originally Posted by LuckyBoy

im so sick of all this running back who plays qb crap. guess what? he's 5-1 this year. stats dont mean anything without the w. and he wins. consistently. this is vick's 4th yr in the league, 3rd starting and the first time he's had the same offensive coordinator for back to back years. everyone is so quick to jump down his throat since his passing numbers arent the greatest, but until the league proves they can stop his running and make him stay in the pocket ALL the time then why change the formula that has worked VERY well? plays selfish LOL. i guess any play maker in the league is selfish then? anybody who improvises to keep moving the sticks is all about him? anybody who dives for the first instead of sliding to avoid a hit is all about numbers? give me a break. you cant argue with the wins. and thats where that arguement should end.

[houseman]

Originally Posted by LuckyBoy

im so sick of all this running back who plays qb crap. guess what? he's 5-1 this year. stats dont mean anything without the w. and he wins. consistently. this is vick's 4th yr in the league, 3rd starting and the first time he's had the same offensive coordinator for back to back years. everyone is so quick to jump down his throat since his passing numbers arent the greatest, but until the league proves they can stop his running and make him stay in the pocket ALL the time then why change the formula that has worked VERY well? plays selfish LOL. i guess any play maker in the league is selfish then? anybody who improvises to keep moving the sticks is all about him? anybody who dives for the first instead of sliding to avoid a hit is all about numbers? give me a break. you cant argue with the wins. and thats where that arguement should end.

Improvises? ****, are you on glue?

ANYONE with his speed could do what he does. Drop back.. don't see anyone open... run!

It's hard for a defense to defend that because you pretty much know what's going to happen but because you don't want to get beat for a long one, you need to play somewhat neutral.

If he's so good at the QB position as a passer, let's see the guy stand in the pocket play after play and get the job done. Oh wait, we saw that. Last year's NFC title game. - The Falcons were held to 202 total yards

By the way? Vick doesn't win. The Falcons win!

[LuckyBoy]

actually if you looked at their record without him the past three years, the falcons dont win without him. so thats up for debate. youre right, ANYONE with his speed could do what he does, but there isnt anybody with his speed. so he is a unique talent, that is until his little bro gets drafted. if his receivers got open play after play and his line gave him time play after play im sure vick would LOVE to stay in the pocket and avoid getting hit. ball control offenses and tough defenses win championships, not big passing numbers, ask peyton manning. so as long as dunn is on all cylinders and as long as vick keeps avoiding sacks and running for first downs sucking up clock and not turning the ball over there is absolutely NO reason why vick cant win the big one without throwing for 300. look at brady's passing stats from the playoffs last year when they got a running game with dillon. they werent impressive at all but it got the job done.

[natedogg]

Originally Posted by houseman

ANYONE with his speed could do what he does. Drop back.. don't see anyone open... run!

The funny thing is even when guys are OPEN, he still can't get the ball to them.

[VanillaGorilla]

brady's passing stats from the playoffs last year when they got a running game with dillon. they werent impressive at all but it got the job done.

Brady's numbers are still a hell of a lot better than Vick's. Also if Brady has to throw the Ball he can do it....................Why is everyone still making excuses for Vick? He had a passer rating of 16% after that Monday night game and they were still kissing his ass saying it doesn't matter if he can't throw the ball. Hello? He is a friggin quarter back........ In the game Vick didn't get it done( as they like to say), his defense got it done. The guy sucks........ He doesn't even know when to slide. Sooner or later they are going to face a defense that is going to shut down the run and make Vick beat them with his arm and guess what's going to happen? They need to get Vicks accuracy up so he is averaging about 250 a game instead of 100 to 150. With that if you still have him rush for 60 to 100 yards a game coupled with Dunn rushing they would have a pretty good offense.