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    Quote Originally Posted by H8duke View Post
    MJ/Kobe....BEST of their generation.Deserving egos.

    James aspiring to be on the same level.
    He may very well get there.No doubt.
    When he proves he can carry a team for not just one season,but multiple seasons and hoist the Larry O'Brien hardware,he'll get all the props that i give Kobe.

    MJ,on the otherhand...different story.
    James is unreal. Physical specimen who's also got the god-given talent and work ethic to back it up. Fills the stat sheet in every category and can hurt you in a myriad of ways. Can't wait till he's got a ring or two so the h8ers can zip it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    I don't think there's much of a difference between players today and before in terms of #1 or #2. Players always want the max $ deal they can get, and always have. Just as there are hot dogs who make unnecessary fancy plays now...there were then as well. As far as #3 goes, I'll give you this...there's certainly way more tattoos and corn rows nowadays.

    DON'T get me started on Plax. I'm happy he helped deliver the G-Men a Superbowl trophy, but I'm officially done with him.
    Plax.TYPICAL thug.
    if you feel you need to be strapped to go in said club...Stay the hell out.Period.

    PERFECT example of this generation.IMO.

    Hot dogging.
    Off the top of my dome,only 2 come to mine as opposed to today's generation.One of them was before my time even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    James is unreal. Physical specimen who's also got the god-given talent and work ethic to back it up. Fills the stat sheet in every category and can hurt you in a myriad of ways. Can't wait till he's got a ring or two so the h8ers can zip it.
    Well until then,he'll just be all the above mentioned.
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    Kobe Bryant is a JOKE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    James is unreal. Physical specimen who's also got the god-given talent and work ethic to back it up. Fills the stat sheet in every category and can hurt you in a myriad of ways. Can't wait till he's got a ring or two so the h8ers can zip it.
    I believe you mean you can't wait for Shaq to help him get a ring...

    Trust me, the haters multiply after that... as little sense as it makes.

    Then you have to win one without Shaq... what a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    Kobe Bryant is a 4 time WORLD CHAMPION!
    FIXED it fo ya
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    I believe you mean you can't wait for Shaq to help him get a ring...

    Trust me, the haters multiply after that... as little sense as it makes.

    Then you have to win one without Shaq... what a joke.
    shaq is done..put a fork in his LAZY ass
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    Quote Originally Posted by H8duke View Post
    shaq is done..put a fork in his LAZY ass
    That was just for the sake of arguement... Shaq will not bring a ring to Cleveland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H8duke View Post
    shaq is done..put a fork in his LAZY ass
    18 PPG, 8.5 RPG, 60% FG last year...idk man, could still have a bit left in the tank. Playing with LBJ can only help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    That was just for the sake of arguement... Shaq will not bring a ring to Cleveland.
    I'm thinking this will frustrate james enough to give him more reason to BAIL on Cleveland,(his home state)btw, and bolt for ny.

    There you go Dub!All the more reason to nut-hug.
    He'll be a new yorker
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    Quote Originally Posted by H8duke View Post
    I'm thinking this will frustrate james enough to give him more reason to BAIL on Cleveland,(his home state)btw, and bolt for ny.

    There you go Dub!All the more reason to nut-hug.
    He'll be a new yorker
    Fingers firmly crossed that the Nets can get this move to BK done so we can get LBJ on the roster and in NYC with his boy Jay-Z. We've certainly dumped enough salary lately (Jefferson, Carter, Kidd) to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    18 PPG, 8.5 RPG, 60% FG last year...idk man, could still have a bit left in the tank. Playing with LBJ can only help.
    HOW many shots will he get in Cleveland???
    Hell,how many times will he cross half court???

    You think bron bron is gonna wait for him to plodd up the court every night
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    Fingers firmly crossed that the Nets can get this move to BK done so we can get LBJ on the roster and in NYC with his boy Jay-Z. We've certainly dumped enough salary lately (Jefferson, Carter, Kidd) to do it.
    The gangsta aspect may help also.
    Hence Jay-Z.
    Seeing that bron and jijja man are boys an all

    Gotta love the loyalty aspect, not only to the team that drafted him,but to the state he grew up in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H8duke View Post
    HOW many shots will he get in Cleveland???
    Hell,how many times will he cross half court???

    You think bron bron is gonna wait for him to plodd up the court every night
    Isn't that what they said about him running with Nash in Phoenix?

    Also, I don't think he's concerned with being the #1 guy or taking 20+ shots a game anymore. He's shown he can play with bigtime scorers like Bryant and Wade. Plus, you don't need to take too many shots when you're shooting 60%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H8duke View Post
    The gangsta aspect may help also.
    Hence Jay-Z.
    Seeing that bron and jijja man are boys an all

    Gotta love the loyalty aspect, not only to the team that drafted him,but to the state he grew up in.
    Yeah, that guy LeBron, with no criminal record at all and a pretty clean image in general...he's a total thug gangsta. Also, how is he not loyal? He hasn't bolted........yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    Isn't that what they said about him running with Nash in Phoenix?

    Also, I don't think he's concerned with being the #1 guy or taking 20+ shots a game anymore. He's shown he can play with bigtime scorers like Bryant and Wade. Plus, you don't need to take too many shots when you're shooting 60%.
    Come on dub.
    you're making this TOO easy!

    How did that nash/shaq combo turn out???

    NO playoffs,and kerr admitted it was a MISTAKE.
    People/teams fall in love with the shaq of yesteryear.
    TOTAL desperation move to keep bron in Cleveland,and he took the bait.
    You got an 'idiot dookie" running the cavs.
    Why am I not surprised

    How old was shaq when he played with Kobe and WAde??? think about it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    Yeah, that guy LeBron, with no criminal record at all and a pretty clean image in general...he's a total thug gangsta. Also, how is he not loyal? He hasn't bolted........yet.
    He's still "gangsta affiliated.'
    Give him time
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    Quote Originally Posted by H8duke View Post
    How did that nash/shaq combo turn out???
    It turned out with Shaq having an absolute renessaince year, shooting a higher % from FG and FT than his career averages........which proves the point I was trying to make, if he can run alongside Nash and produce, then he can run alongside LBJ and produce.

    You're making this too easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H8duke View Post
    He's still "milionaire mogul affiliated.'
    GICH!
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    What will shaq's roll be exactly in Cleveland?

    If they are fortunate enough to make the finals,and possibly play the Lakers..Mind you this will be after ANOTHER full season of wear/tear on him...how in God's name will he be able to keep up w/O,Bynum & Pau???
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    It turned out with Shaq having an absolute renessaince year, shooting a higher % from FG and FT than his career averages........which proves the point I was trying to make, if he can run alongside Nash and produce, then he can run alongside LBJ and produce.

    You're making this too easy.
    NO PLAYOFFS!!!
    DEFINITELY NO RING!!!!

    Like my boy Herm Edwards said.....YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME.
    You are SOO caught up in stats,you can't see the forest for the trees!

    ALWAYS GICH!
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    Quote Originally Posted by H8duke View Post
    Come on dub.
    you're making this TOO easy!

    How did that nash/shaq combo turn out???

    NO playoffs,and kerr admitted it was a MISTAKE.
    People/teams fall in love with the shaq of yesteryear.
    TOTAL desperation move to keep bron in Cleveland,and he took the bait.
    You got an 'idiot dookie" running the cavs.
    Why am I not surprised

    How old was shaq when he played with Kobe and WAde??? think about it!
    No need to duplicate the above.

    The Big Shaqtus was a failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H8duke View Post
    What will shaq's roll be exactly in Cleveland?

    If they are fortunate enough to make the finals,and possibly play the Lakers..Mind you this will be after ANOTHER full season of wear/tear on him...how in God's name will he be able to keep up w/O,Bynum & Pau???
    The designated defensive 3 second violation specialist...

    and free throw coach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    GICH!
    Once again PROVING my point beyond a shadow of doubt....The "ME" generation

    Wrong quote obviously.
    Meant for 'millionaire gangsta affiliated
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    The designated defensive 3 second violation specialist...

    and free throw coach.
    Don't forget designated team comedian.

    That shaq is a funny one I tell ya!
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    Quote Originally Posted by H8duke View Post
    NO PLAYOFFS!!!
    DEFINITELY NO RING!!!!

    Like my boy Herm Edwards said.....YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME.
    You are SOO caught up in stats,you can't see the forest for the trees!

    ALWAYS GICH!
    What you said before was that Shaq "wouldn't be able to cross half court and run with James"...by showing how his stats improved this year, I proved that he can, in fact, still play with faster players.

    Don't change the arguments to fit your logic. One point at a time here broheim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H8duke View Post
    Once again PROVING my point beyond a shadow of doubt....The "ME" generation
    You still haven't proved that "me" point very well at all. You're coming off like a crotchety old man who can't stand today's game because "back in my day...they played the game the right way", etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    What you said before was that Shaq "wouldn't be able to cross half court and run with James"...by showing how his stats improved this year, I proved that he can, in fact, still play with faster players.

    Don't change the arguments to fit your logic. One point at a time here broheim.
    Shaq didn't play with the Suns of 2004 - 2006... He played with the Suns of 2009, and they were a much different offense... SLOW.. UNSUCESSFUL... You gotta agree with that.

    Shaq did a great job of improving his numbers last year, unfortunately to the detriment of his teammates and team success.... Typical Shaq.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    You still haven't proved that "me" point very well at all. You're coming off like a crotchety old man who can't stand today's game because "back in my day...they played the game the right way", etc.
    Now you resorting to name calling.
    Whose REALLY showing their frustration now?

    Could have called you out on it when after a civil conversation,you resorted to Kobe is a JOKE.

    I firmly stand by my convictions that there is a monumental difference between today and 'my day.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    Shaq didn't play with the Suns of 2004 - 2006... He played with the Suns of 2009, and they were a much different offense... SLOW.. UNSUCESSFUL... You gotta agree with that.

    Shaq did a great job of improving his numbers last year, unfortunately to the detriment of his teammates and team success.... Typical Shaq.
    I'll agree with your first point, but perhaps not the second. I wouldn't pin the Suns failure on Shaq. They had a godawful coach and were missing Amare Stoudemire. Plus, it's not like Shaq was firing up an Iverson-like 30+ shots a game to get his points while shooting a poor %...he shot a great % and even hit more FT's than usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    What you said before was that Shaq "wouldn't be able to cross half court and run with James"...by showing how his stats improved this year, I proved that he can, in fact, still play with faster players.

    Don't change the arguments to fit your logic. One point at a time here broheim.
    Whose changing the argument???

    he'll be a year older and slower.
    i've stood by that FACT from the outset!
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    Quote Originally Posted by H8duke View Post
    Now you resorting to name calling.
    Whose REALLY showing their frustration now?

    Could have called you out on it when after a civil conversation,you resorted to Kobe is a JOKE.

    I firmly stand by my convictions that there is a monumental difference between today and 'my day.'
    I only said "Kobe is a JOKE" sarcastically...I don't believe that at all. Kobe is a great player and I've got nothing but respect for his accomplishments. It's just the title of the thread, so I was goofin on it.

    ....and you know you'll always be my musclebear, no matter how old you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H8duke View Post
    What will shaq's roll be exactly in Cleveland?

    If they are fortunate enough to make the finals,and possibly play the Lakers..Mind you this will be after ANOTHER full season of wear/tear on him...how in God's name will he be able to keep up w/O,Bynum & Pau???
    The front line of Gasol, Odom and Bynum is downright sick. No frontcourt in the NBA is on that level, IMO. To have a 7' 1" guy like Shaq paired with the 7' 3" Ilgauskas, along with Verejao...it's a step in the right direction. Last year, the Cavs couldn't deal with an inside force (Howard) because Big Z would get into early foul trouble and then it'd be squarely on Verejao. Now, they're bigger and deeper.

    (not saying they're better than LA or anything, just saying they've improved the frontcourt)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    I'll agree with your first point, but perhaps not the second. I wouldn't pin the Suns failure on Shaq. They had a godawful coach and were missing Amare Stoudemire. Plus, it's not like Shaq was firing up an Iverson-like 30+ shots a game to get his points while shooting a poor %...he shot a great % and even hit more FT's than usual.
    I think that they did the best they could with what they had. Shaq was not the answer to their ills. They were frustrated with continually getting dominated by the Spurs, who weren't even a factor last year - and sold off three fantastic players (Marion, Bell, Barbosa)...

    NOW they are in a total rebuild mode... Complete fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    I think that they did the best they could with what they had. Shaq was not the answer to their ills. They were frustrated with continually getting dominated by the Spurs, who weren't even a factor last year - and sold off three fantastic players (Marion, Bell, Barbosa)...

    NOW they are in a total rebuild mode... Complete fail.
    but,but,but according to the OP the Spurs cheated

    UNBELIEVABLE!!!

    REF whining
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    Quote Originally Posted by H8duke View Post
    but,but,but according to the OP the Spurs cheated

    UNBELIEVABLE!!!

    REF whining
    Very clear that the OP doesn't know sh*t about NBA basketball... hence his absence.
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