Another Hockey Thread...Ovechkin v Crosby
- 06-08-2009, 11:44 AM
Even with that being said, though, Malkin has not done enough to deserve the award on a hypothetically losing team: his performance has not been awe-inspiring like a Giggy several years ago v., NJ; and I would say the same for Sid.
While you and I could tandem goalie for the Wings and win the William Jennings trophy, I agree the CS would go to Osgoode in the event of a Wings win.
- 06-08-2009, 11:59 AM
I haven't seen much of Pitts besides the finals, so I'll take your word on Crosby's performance throughout the entire playoffs. I knew he had similar stats, but if anything, hockey is a sport that does not reflect the entire game on a box score.
06-08-2009, 12:10 PM
I suppose that is true: Detroit has been letting in a ton of goals, compared with previous years. That being said, Ty Conklin still ran up a fantastic record with Detroit, and he is, by rights, a terrible goalie [ran out of Edmonton, for example]. While most of the greatest goalies ever had fantastic defenses [Brodeur in NJ; Dryden in Montreal] Detroit's particular style of play means any schmuck can win there, and win big.In any other season I might agree with you, but we've been extremely porous this year. We (Detroit) wondered all year if we would even make it this far because of our defense this season. It has not been good. Luckily we ended up scoring a lot of goals, otherwise our record would have been much worse.
06-08-2009, 02:47 PM
Sounds like I should have caught more of the Pitts-Wash series. I did catch pieces of two games. I didn't realize Crosby had stepped up his defensive game as much as you state. From everything I always read about him, he's a one-dimensional player (offense only). He can move the puck very well, and he holds the puck as well as anyone in the game (even during those 360's into the offensive zone).
I wish Crosby and Malkin a great future in the NHL. I think they'll be great together for quite some time (assuming Malkin doesn't jump ship for a huge paycheck). I think Sid will forever be a Penguin. He was the face of the franchise as soon as he put on that first sweater.
30 hours until game time!
06-08-2009, 03:01 PM
No, Sid is incredibly multi-dimensional. He is one of the only superstars who will block a shot in the defensive zone, chip the puck in to the offensive zone, dig at it from the half-boards and then manage to still make a pretty offensive play. He is physical, an amazing passer, great leader, can play a grind-and-dig game, great backhand, and can be a prolific scorer! I feel the Wash-Pit series displayed why, above Malkin and OV, Sid is the best player in the game: he does it all, literally. To be truthful, I would place Datsyuk over Ovechkin anyway, but that is me!
06-08-2009, 03:15 PM
I would take Datsyuk over Ovie as well (especially an uninjured Datsyuk).
I'll keep a close eye on Crosby. My favorite players have always been all-around players, doing all of the things you described above. I've been lucky to see this with Yzerman, Datsyuk and Zetterberg on a consistent basis. Man I miss watching Yzerman
Yahoo! Sports just posted an article on why Malkin should win the Conn Smythe - http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...urn=nhl,168669
06-08-2009, 04:23 PM
Here is what I meant! Crosby, FTW.For one, Malkin's no defensive powerhouse, and despite scoring all those points, he's only a plus-2 after 22 games. He also doesn't kill penalties and hasn't been getting the most difficult opposition as teams focus on Crosby.
He's also tied with Joni Pitkanen(notes) and Joe Corvo(notes) for having been on the ice for the most 5-on-5 goals against of any player, and has a GA/60 of 3.35, second highest on the Pens. Crosby's, in comparison, is just 2.22, while Zetterberg is at 1.39.
06-08-2009, 04:24 PM
Crosby is unequivocally better all-around. Put it this way: Crosby is effective even when he does not score; if Malkin does not score, he is nonexistent.
06-08-2009, 04:38 PM
Definitely see why you prefer Crosby over Malkin with all of that said. If you kill penalties, you're always a better player in my book.
06-08-2009, 07:26 PM
Definitely. As I said, you can watch Crosby play and say, "Man, he had a great game!", even when he does not score. IMO, this was the case in game one! Malkin, on the other hand, either scores or he does not score, and that is his game. This is why Crosby always > Malkin.
06-09-2009, 07:41 PM
90 minutes Mullet! I'm excited as ****! I think this is going to be the closest game of the series. Can't wait for the puck to drop!
06-09-2009, 07:46 PM
06-09-2009, 08:03 PM
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06-09-2009, 08:48 PM
06-09-2009, 09:15 PM
I actually payed special attention to Sid's demeanor with the referees and teammates this year, to see if my bias was maybe clouding my vision - to my end, I saw maybe a handful of instances where Sid jabbered; no more than any other player, mind you. As I said though, you can post some instances in this thread from tonight's game where you feel he fits your bill, so to speak, because I would like to see them; off the top of my head, I can really think of no examples this post-season where Sid "whined". And if it is such an endemic trait to his persona as you say, that would be an easy task - like thinking of a OV goal, a Kronwall hit, a Kane deek and so on.
Really, this is no longer a point of contention in his game when viewed from an objective viewpoint. It stands as a criticism that was valid at one time, but no longer holds true; and so, it stands as a criticism that remains a talking point amongst individuals who dislike Sid for the exposure he receives - which I understand - or among people who do not watch Sid play, specifically. The Messier Leadership Awards, and the likelihood that Steve Yzerman - one of the greatest leaders of all-time and the director of Hockey Canada - will don Crosby a letter on a team chalk full of captains [us Canadians are renowned for our leadership] both speak volumes for his leading ability. And finally, if he was as big of a whiner and as little of a leader as you make it seem, we would hear about it, undoubtedly, from reports in the locker room: to date, most of Crosby's teammates have absolutely glowing reviews of the kid.
He is not a whiner, he is a leader, and I am going to watch the game.
06-09-2009, 11:45 PM
Might as well have given the refs hockey sticks on that 60 minute 7-on-5 Pens power play...
Whatever... Hoisting the Cup at home after the refs have done all they could to give the Pens the series will make it even sweeter.
06-10-2009, 12:18 AM
Now that I've calmed down a little, I will admit Detroit played like ****. But I stand by my comments above about the refs. Blatantly one-sided in every game but game 5, with this game taking the cake. Ridiculous...
06-10-2009, 09:53 AM
06-10-2009, 03:23 PM
06-10-2009, 03:30 PM
We will see! Pens have already clinched a series after going down 0-2 this year, and the last team to win a Cup after being down 0-2 ['71 Canadiens, I believe] did so on the visitor's ice! I wish there was not a two day wait, but it will be a great game either way.
06-10-2009, 04:25 PM
Well man, I'd wish your team luck... but I'm spoiled, and want a 5th cup in 12 years... so RED WINGS FTW!
It's going to feel like a damn week until the puck drops...
Next week will begin me watching old hockey games on DVD. I have game 7 of the 2002 West conf. finals on DVD. Wings -vs- Avalanche. We won 7-0. Oh... I was at the game too It's great having one of the biggest blowouts in playoff history on DVD, but it's even better when you get to relive it again by viewing it!
It's time for the Wings to get the DYNASTY title they've deserved...
WE WILL WIN GAME 7!!!
06-10-2009, 04:37 PM
06-10-2009, 06:39 PM
06-10-2009, 06:46 PM
I am ridiculously excited, and will not begrudgingly hand over that NP certificate if I must! The series itself is well-worth $25.
06-10-2009, 07:31 PM
I too have the bottle of Pepto ready for Friday night. Unfortunately I may miss the first 5 mins of the game because I have to work late Friday (uggghhh), but I assume the other 55 minutes of the game will be enough to make up for it.
I can't make any predictions on what will transpire, but I do know there are two teams one win away from the Stanley Cup, and that in itself is downright amazing. I don't know about you man, but personally, no other sporting event can compare to a game 7 Stanley Cup Final game to me (regardless of who is playing). The Super Bowl can't even hold a candle to it.
Only 50 hours til game time!
06-10-2009, 11:18 PM
I absolutely could not agree more. No other sport has to endure the severity and length of an NHL season and post-season combined. As a bye team, you have to win two games to be the champion, and, at most, three games. That is less than 25% of the season at maximum. If each of your rounds went to the maximum amount, you would have to play twenty-eight hockey games to win the cup - 38% of an entire season! And, in terms of the grinding physicality of the game, no other sport has to endure the things hockey players do to hoist that cup. IMO, it is the most-respected championship, or should be, in all of sports.
06-11-2009, 01:30 AM
I couldn't even begin to explain how many times I've had to stick of for hockey in the "Football is more physically demanding than hockey" debate.
Really? All, what, 19 games for the Super Bowl champs? And as you stated, 28 games are possible in the NHL playoffs. Lets just say an average of 25 games, and an average of 78 regular season games played for the typical Stanley Cup winning forward or defenseman. So 103 games to win everything in hockey, and 19 games to win everything in football. But football is more physically demanding? HAH! Lets see a linebacker suddenly play five times more than he ever has during a season, and then maybe it'd be a valid argument.
And this deep in the playoffs... EVERYONE is nursing an injury of some sort. Hockey players have balls of steel. They get back in the game when sometimes they really shouldn't. They have heart like no other. They're a model for a real professional athlete.
06-11-2009, 12:50 PM
You said it, brother. Well, I have spoken to everybody about it, and we want to make you an honorary Canadian.
06-11-2009, 12:54 PM
M.Ed. Ex Phys
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