Another Hockey Thread...Ovechkin v Crosby
- 05-26-2009, 12:18 PM
- 05-26-2009, 12:24 PM
I feel it depends primarily on the play of our back-end - in other words, if they cannot navigate past the suffocating Detroit neutral-zone trap, and enter the O-Zone, then we will have no success. To that end, the health of Gonchar will play a large part here, as Letang has not shown success in navigating between the blues.
This being said, Detroit simply cannot contain Crosby and Malkin. It is nearly impossible to sustain momentum when the best player in the world is on one shift, and an individual not too far behind is on the very next shift: the fact that Malkin is playing his best hockey at a time when he disappeared last year is also indicative of a Pens win!
Finally, history is on our side: the last two teams to rematch in the Cup Final were the Islanders and the Oilers, with a young Oilers team losing the first year only to dismantle the Islanders the next year!
05-26-2009, 12:25 PM
I was reading an blog by Buccigross over at ESPN and it got me thinking about this question: if the Wings repeat, is Osgood a HoFer?
Objectively, when you look at the numbers, it's a push (he'll have over 400 wins and a 2.47 GAA), but he would have 4 cups.
Personally, I say not at all because I don't think of him when I am asked the elite goalies of the past 15 years.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
05-26-2009, 12:29 PM
If you truly want to judge Osgood, take a gander at his PK statistics from this playoffs: an .889 save percentage and a phenomenal amount of goals against. Detroit wins in spite of, and not because of, Osgood.
By the way, he is from my birthplace of Medicine Hat, a place I lived for the middle fifteen years of my life; even people there do not feel he is a good goalie! P.S., Trevor Linden was also from Medicine Hat.
05-26-2009, 12:32 PM
05-26-2009, 12:34 PM
The point about the PK was to illuminate that, individually, he is a slightly above-average goalie. While 5-on-5 GAA is in fact a team statistic, short-handed save percentage and GAA is far more indicative of an individual goalie's play; in that regard, Osgood has faired poorly this year and last!
To say he was amazing last year, in my opinion, is a slight stretch as well.
05-26-2009, 12:42 PM
Detroit's penalty-kill is plodding at a meager 71% this year, with a goal allowed in twelve consecutive games at one point.
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06-07-2009, 03:37 PM
It had indeed. I'll openly admit Detroit has looked sub-par (especially defensively) while in Pitts. I think getting Datsyuk back was a huge boost. While I would rather us parade the cup around home ice, I'll take a game 6 win as well. But I wouldn't doubt this going 7 games (as a lot of series have in this years playoffs).
06-07-2009, 04:11 PM
06-07-2009, 04:54 PM
Seven games is good for the NHL, TV, revenues, etc... but I can't say it's good for my blood pressure
Neither team has looked like itself while playing away, but playoffs are unpredictable, so you never know what might happen.
While I did believe Pitts was going to lose Saturday before the puck even dropped, I didn't think they were going to self-destruct in the fashion they did. I was quite happy to see the box score...
Malkin - 6 PIM, 1 SOG
Crosby - 1 SOG, -2 rating
I think game 6 is going to be a good one!!!
06-07-2009, 05:21 PM
I thought the script of this series was going to follow the one written by the Penguins in their series against Washington - and so, I thought they were going to win last night. The psychological boost of getting Datsyuk back was obviously large, and then another defender to put on Malkin. Obviously, though, momentum means jack shit in this series, as Detroit responded beautifully from being dominated two straight games in Pittsburgh. As I said, being a home series it really now comes down to either team needing a road win to close out the series.
06-07-2009, 06:22 PM
As Mike Babcock has said multiple times this playoff year "I don't buy into momentum". I really think he's right.
Having Datsyuk and Zetterberg (both Selke caliber forwards) gives Babcock the option to roll Z with Crosby and Datsyuk with Malkin, or if Bylsma decides Crosby and Malkin need to be out together most the game (which I suspect), we can go with Z and Datsyuk on the same line.
Either way, don't expect as much free play for your two stars Tuesday night. While I don't think they'll be relegated to 2 combined shots like they were last night, I don't believe they're going to combine for 4 points again like they did games 3 and 4.
Lets do it again fellas!
06-07-2009, 07:54 PM
Best of three series with two games in Detroit....I'll take the Wings!
Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons
06-07-2009, 11:04 PM
We will see. Crosby and Malkin's play in this series, when it has been poor, is more a function of self-destructing rather than sound defensive play, as Malkin was the leading point-getter in the series irrespective of whom was defending him, and Crosby was generating a lot of chances - free ice or not, the great ones find a way to get it done. I think you are over-estimating the defensive play of Detroit in game five, and underestimating the Penguins' team meltdown. Crosby and Malkin will be fine.Either way, don't expect as much free play for your two stars Tuesday night. While I don't think they'll be relegated to 2 combined shots like they were last night, I don't believe they're going to combine for 4 points again like they did games 3 and 4.
Lets do it again fellas!
Now, if both Malkin and Crosby show up, and Staal's line dominates down-low again, you may as well trade that picture of Draper [Franzen?] in above for a nice black-and-gold clad one. Detroit simply cannot hang with Pittsburgh's center-core, and that showed in game four. Again, though: that's why they play.
06-08-2009, 01:11 AM
That's Draper holding the cup, big guy
Your arguments hold value, but as you stated, that's why they play. We can talk all we want about what "should" happen, but that doesn't translate to a cup (or else Detroit would have taken a cup in '96 when they had 62 regular season wins).
My prediction (using last years photos) -
06-08-2009, 01:12 AM
06-08-2009, 08:56 AM
06-08-2009, 09:05 AM
Does anyone else find it interesting that the finals started off with 3 games in 4 nights, but now we have a two day layoff? While the time off can (hopefully) only help the Wings further recover from their injuries, I think I got spoiled by the sheer amount of hockey in a limited time frame.
What the hell am I going to watch next week when hockey is over?
06-08-2009, 09:59 AM
I got a question for you, Mullet.
Five times (and not since 2003) the Conn Smyth trophy has been awarded to a member of the losing team in the Stanley Cup Finals. Assuming Pitts loses, do you think Malkin should be awarded the trophy?
He currently has 14 goals, 21 assists, 3 game winners, and 99 SOG. Nobody on the Wings roster has stats close to that.
If a Red Wing is to take the trophy, I think the only way it would be fair (to Pitts) is to give it to Osgood (15-6, 2.00 GAA, .927 SV, 2 SO).
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