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  1. I'll take both! Er... wait, my team *has* both. Lucky me
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I'd definitely take Henrik over Datsyuk, though.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by tribaltek View Post
    I'll take both! Er... wait, my team *has* both. Lucky me
    I'm obligated to hate you now since you're a Wings fan...
    M.Ed. Ex Phys

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  3. No problem, man. I understand

    But hey... I'm in Detroit. At least I have SOMETHING good, ya know?

    And your team is... the Stars?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by tribaltek View Post
    No problem, man. I understand

    But hey... I'm in Detroit. At least I have SOMETHING good, ya know?

    And your team is... the Stars?
    Hell, no. I hate them, too. I am an Avs fan, hence my man-love for Foppa. It's going to a be a long 3 years.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  5. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I am an Avs fan
    Avs, eh? Good deal. Lots of good games between us! I miss the old rivalry.



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  6. Hockey hasn't been the same for me since St Patrick retired and I really miss those days. Sadly, only a handful of people n both teams still play (Sakic, Foote, Osgood, Lidstrom, and most of the Grind Line)
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  7. Very true. I always hope for some sort of new rivalry with Detroit and whoever... but nothing seems to stick. Chicago is looking pretty upset right now, and they're really young, so hopefully that can brew up... but nothing else has been like Wings-Avs.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by tribaltek View Post
    Very true. I always hope for some sort of new rivalry with Detroit and whoever... but nothing seems to stick. Chicago is looking pretty upset right now, and they're really young, so hopefully that can brew up... but nothing else has been like Wings-Avs.
    All it takes is one incident to cause a nasty rivalry. That being said, neither team has the real snarl to have anything close.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  9. One incident... or maybe one more brutal check to Marty Havlat

    I'm surprised the guy can skate at this point (well, assuming he actually plays the next game).

  10. Quote Originally Posted by tribaltek View Post
    One incident... or maybe one more brutal check to Marty Havlat

    I'm surprised the guy can skate at this point (well, assuming he actually plays the next game).
    It appears as if my team [Pens] and your team [Wings] are on a collision course for the first Finals rematch since '84 [IIRC]. Except, obviously, with a drastically different result!

  11. It will be a good series, Mullet. And it's nice to see a rematch in the cup finals.

    I think it's going to be a better series than last season, but I believe in my team, and I'm looking forward to us being the first team to repeat as Stanley Cup Champions since... well... the Red Wings

  12. Quote Originally Posted by tribaltek View Post
    It will be a good series, Mullet. And it's nice to see a rematch in the cup finals.

    I think it's going to be a better series than last season, but I believe in my team, and I'm looking forward to us being the first team to repeat as Stanley Cup Champions since... well... the Red Wings
    Nice, hah! I was waiting to see how you'd respond to that!

    I feel it depends primarily on the play of our back-end - in other words, if they cannot navigate past the suffocating Detroit neutral-zone trap, and enter the O-Zone, then we will have no success. To that end, the health of Gonchar will play a large part here, as Letang has not shown success in navigating between the blues.

    This being said, Detroit simply cannot contain Crosby and Malkin. It is nearly impossible to sustain momentum when the best player in the world is on one shift, and an individual not too far behind is on the very next shift: the fact that Malkin is playing his best hockey at a time when he disappeared last year is also indicative of a Pens win!

    Finally, history is on our side: the last two teams to rematch in the Cup Final were the Islanders and the Oilers, with a young Oilers team losing the first year only to dismantle the Islanders the next year!

  13. I was reading an blog by Buccigross over at ESPN and it got me thinking about this question: if the Wings repeat, is Osgood a HoFer?

    Objectively, when you look at the numbers, it's a push (he'll have over 400 wins and a 2.47 GAA), but he would have 4 cups.

    Personally, I say not at all because I don't think of him when I am asked the elite goalies of the past 15 years.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  14. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I was reading an blog by Buccigross over at ESPN and it got me thinking about this question: if the Wings repeat, is Osgood a HoFer?

    Objectively, when you look at the numbers, it's a push (he'll have over 400 wins and a 2.47 GAA), but he would have 4 cups.

    Personally, I say not at all because I don't think of him when I am asked the elite goalies of the past 15 years.
    He is quite the enigma, for precisely the sentiment contained in your last sentiment. The fact is this: any above-average goalie could have won cups with those Detroit teams; preview their defensive statistics from their cup years to verify this! In fact, Ty Conklin, a less-than-average goalie [see: his years in Edmonton] carried Detroit to the second seed in a tough Western Conference this year!

    If you truly want to judge Osgood, take a gander at his PK statistics from this playoffs: an .889 save percentage and a phenomenal amount of goals against. Detroit wins in spite of, and not because of, Osgood.

    By the way, he is from my birthplace of Medicine Hat, a place I lived for the middle fifteen years of my life; even people there do not feel he is a good goalie! P.S., Trevor Linden was also from Medicine Hat.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    He is quite the enigma, for precisely the sentiment contained in your last sentiment. The fact is this: any above-average goalie could have won cups with those Detroit teams; preview their defensive statistics from their cup years to verify this! In fact, Ty Conklin, a less-than-average goalie [see: his years in Edmonton] carried Detroit to the second seed in a tough Western Conference this year!

    If you truly want to judge Osgood, take a gander at his PK statistics from this playoffs: an .889 save percentage and a phenomenal amount of goals against. Detroit wins in spite of, and not because of, Osgood.

    By the way, he is from my birthplace of Medicine Hat, a place I lived for the middle fifteen years of my life; even people there do not feel he is a good goalie! P.S., Trevor Linden was also from Medicine Hat.
    His overall playoff GAA is 2.11. He was amazing last year in the playoffs and, IMO, should have won the Conn Smythe.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  16. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    His overall playoff GAA is 2.11. He was amazing last year in the playoffs and, IMO, should have won the Conn Smythe.
    Yes, but GAA is not an individual stat, it is a team statistic: it depends upon the defensive play of an entire team, which was more or less the thrust of my argument above.

    The point about the PK was to illuminate that, individually, he is a slightly above-average goalie. While 5-on-5 GAA is in fact a team statistic, short-handed save percentage and GAA is far more indicative of an individual goalie's play; in that regard, Osgood has faired poorly this year and last!

    To say he was amazing last year, in my opinion, is a slight stretch as well.

  17. Detroit's penalty-kill is plodding at a meager 71% this year, with a goal allowed in twelve consecutive games at one point.

  18. I will concede that Detroit's defense this year has been awful - penalty kill included.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by tribaltek View Post
    I will concede that Detroit's defense this year has been awful - penalty kill included.
    5-on-5 they have been fine, but the penalty kill: whoa!

    Seriously though, their PK has been simply atrocious this playoff season; with Pittsburgh clicking at over 30% [IIRC] over the 'Canes/Pens series, D-Town could be in trouble.

  20. We shall see, Mullet. We shall see. First we just need both of our teams to close things out

  21. Quote Originally Posted by tribaltek View Post
    We shall see, Mullet. We shall see. First we just need both of our teams to close things out
    You are certainly right, Tribal; I have probably jinxed us both, hah!

    Friendly wager if our teams make it to the cup, though? An NP gift certificate, perhaps?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    You are certainly right, Tribal; I have probably jinxed us both, hah!
    A Canes vs Hawks series just doesn't seem as entertaining

    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Friendly wager if our teams make it to the cup, though? An NP gift certificate, perhaps?
    Absolutely! I am one broke mo-fo right now, so how about the $25 one? http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/n...ficate-25.html

  23. Quote Originally Posted by tribaltek View Post
    A Canes vs Hawks series just doesn't seem as entertaining



    Absolutely! I am one broke mo-fo right now, so how about the $25 one? http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/n...ficate-25.html
    Sounds good!

  24. Deal!

    I sent you a PM btw (after I saw that your sig said use email for questions, of course).
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