Another Hockey Thread...Ovechkin v Crosby
- 05-26-2009, 09:25 AM
Malkin also goes through stretches where he disappears. I remember watching the first couple of game vs Washington and it was as though he wasn't even playing. I had to really look for him to even notice he wasn't a scratch.
OT, but, as far as talent taken away by injuries is concerned, there has been few losses worse than Peter Mattias Forsberg. Watching him play was something I'll never forget and when he was healthy, he was always dominant. I think it was the '99 and '02 playoffs where he led the league in points even though the Avs where eliminated in the West Finals.M.Ed. Ex Phys
- 05-26-2009, 09:51 AM
OT, but, as far as talent taken away by injuries is concerned, there has been few losses worse than Peter Mattias Forsberg. Watching him play was something I'll never forget and when he was healthy, he was always dominant. I think it was the '99 and '02 playoffs where he led the league in points even though the Avs where eliminated in the West Finals.
- 05-26-2009, 09:52 AM
I'll take Ovechkin over Crybaby, er, Crosby any day. But I'll take Datsyuk over both in a heartbeat.
05-26-2009, 09:56 AM
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05-26-2009, 10:04 AM
He is a defensive player, but his offense is non-existent, and that [to me] precludes him from any rational discussion involving the top five players in the league. If you offered any sane GM the choice between Datsyuk and any of those players, probably 90% would choose the other player over Datsyuk.
Actually, TSN [Canadian version of ESPN] recently did a GM poll about "franchise players": out of the 28 that responded, 58% chose Crosby, with the next highest point-getter being OV at 16% with Luongo at 8% [he had more first place votes than OV, though]. It went on a 5-3-1 point system. Datsyuk was way down there!
05-26-2009, 10:10 AM
05-26-2009, 10:13 AM
OK, maybe Datsyuk isn't the "franchise player" so to speak, but I still believe him to be the most "complete" player in the NHL. Any part of the ice, any situation, the guy is gold.
You both do have valid points, but I'll stick to my choice.
05-26-2009, 10:15 AM
But, at least we can agree to disagree respectfully.
05-26-2009, 10:23 AM
M.Ed. Ex Phys
05-26-2009, 10:26 AM
05-26-2009, 10:28 AM
05-26-2009, 10:30 AM
No problem, man. I understand
But hey... I'm in Detroit. At least I have SOMETHING good, ya know?
And your team is... the Stars?
05-26-2009, 10:32 AM
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05-26-2009, 10:42 AM
Hockey hasn't been the same for me since St Patrick retired and I really miss those days. Sadly, only a handful of people n both teams still play (Sakic, Foote, Osgood, Lidstrom, and most of the Grind Line)
M.Ed. Ex Phys
05-26-2009, 10:53 AM
Very true. I always hope for some sort of new rivalry with Detroit and whoever... but nothing seems to stick. Chicago is looking pretty upset right now, and they're really young, so hopefully that can brew up... but nothing else has been like Wings-Avs.
05-26-2009, 10:55 AM
05-26-2009, 11:03 AM
One incident... or maybe one more brutal check to Marty Havlat
I'm surprised the guy can skate at this point (well, assuming he actually plays the next game).
05-26-2009, 12:15 PM
05-26-2009, 12:18 PM
It will be a good series, Mullet. And it's nice to see a rematch in the cup finals.
I think it's going to be a better series than last season, but I believe in my team, and I'm looking forward to us being the first team to repeat as Stanley Cup Champions since... well... the Red Wings
05-26-2009, 12:24 PM
I feel it depends primarily on the play of our back-end - in other words, if they cannot navigate past the suffocating Detroit neutral-zone trap, and enter the O-Zone, then we will have no success. To that end, the health of Gonchar will play a large part here, as Letang has not shown success in navigating between the blues.
This being said, Detroit simply cannot contain Crosby and Malkin. It is nearly impossible to sustain momentum when the best player in the world is on one shift, and an individual not too far behind is on the very next shift: the fact that Malkin is playing his best hockey at a time when he disappeared last year is also indicative of a Pens win!
Finally, history is on our side: the last two teams to rematch in the Cup Final were the Islanders and the Oilers, with a young Oilers team losing the first year only to dismantle the Islanders the next year!
05-26-2009, 12:25 PM
I was reading an blog by Buccigross over at ESPN and it got me thinking about this question: if the Wings repeat, is Osgood a HoFer?
Objectively, when you look at the numbers, it's a push (he'll have over 400 wins and a 2.47 GAA), but he would have 4 cups.
Personally, I say not at all because I don't think of him when I am asked the elite goalies of the past 15 years.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
05-26-2009, 12:29 PM
If you truly want to judge Osgood, take a gander at his PK statistics from this playoffs: an .889 save percentage and a phenomenal amount of goals against. Detroit wins in spite of, and not because of, Osgood.
By the way, he is from my birthplace of Medicine Hat, a place I lived for the middle fifteen years of my life; even people there do not feel he is a good goalie! P.S., Trevor Linden was also from Medicine Hat.
05-26-2009, 12:32 PM
05-26-2009, 12:34 PM
The point about the PK was to illuminate that, individually, he is a slightly above-average goalie. While 5-on-5 GAA is in fact a team statistic, short-handed save percentage and GAA is far more indicative of an individual goalie's play; in that regard, Osgood has faired poorly this year and last!
To say he was amazing last year, in my opinion, is a slight stretch as well.
05-26-2009, 12:42 PM
Detroit's penalty-kill is plodding at a meager 71% this year, with a goal allowed in twelve consecutive games at one point.
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06-07-2009, 03:37 PM
It had indeed. I'll openly admit Detroit has looked sub-par (especially defensively) while in Pitts. I think getting Datsyuk back was a huge boost. While I would rather us parade the cup around home ice, I'll take a game 6 win as well. But I wouldn't doubt this going 7 games (as a lot of series have in this years playoffs).
06-07-2009, 04:11 PM
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