Another Hockey Thread...Ovechkin v Crosby
- 05-19-2009, 11:55 AM
- 05-19-2009, 12:36 PM
Yeah he missed a couple of years due to knee reconstruction.
Then held out for half a season when he didn't want to play with Vancouver anymore.
05-19-2009, 12:49 PM
05-19-2009, 01:01 PM
M.Ed. Ex Phys
05-19-2009, 01:10 PM
Kovalchuk can play hard, but he is notorious for flailing on back-checks, needlessly avoiding the body when it matters, and for being horribly streaky. IMO, he plays more or less when he wants to. (Living in Canada, we see a lot of hockey coverage from each and every team, so no team is truly obscure.) Mogilny, Fedorov [at times in his career], Kovalev, the Bure brothers, Kovalchuk and so on are [unfortunately] notorious for playing merely when it suits them. Albeit a Czech, Jagr would be the primary example of this playing "style".
05-19-2009, 01:31 PM
Kovalev is about as streaky of a player as there is. His talent should dominate the league, but it's not there in the head. That is a very common trait of Soviet-born players.
As far as Kovalchuk, playing in a horrible hockey town such as Atlanta has to drain you at some point plus Ovie really took a lot of his thunder. It's really sad because he's averaged over 42 goals per year for his career playing with a horrible cast for most of his career (Heatley flourished while in Ottawa with Spezza and Hossa is streaky).
M.Ed. Ex Phys
05-19-2009, 03:18 PM
To be fair, Bure and Jagr were some of my perennially favorite players growing up. it is just unfortunate that these high-profile European snipers have come to characterize themselves as lacking passion and/or dedication. IMO, Jarmoir Jagr may very well be the most talented player to ever play the game, and should own countless records! Unfortunately, that is not necessarily the case.
05-24-2009, 03:40 PM
Even though im a huge PENS fan I would have to say Ovechkin is probally a little better. Hes bigger stronger faster and has a bad ass shot. But my boy Malkin has been playing pretty damn good these last couple games as well dont forget about him.
05-24-2009, 09:37 PM
05-26-2009, 10:17 AM
05-26-2009, 10:25 AM
Malkin also goes through stretches where he disappears. I remember watching the first couple of game vs Washington and it was as though he wasn't even playing. I had to really look for him to even notice he wasn't a scratch.
OT, but, as far as talent taken away by injuries is concerned, there has been few losses worse than Peter Mattias Forsberg. Watching him play was something I'll never forget and when he was healthy, he was always dominant. I think it was the '99 and '02 playoffs where he led the league in points even though the Avs where eliminated in the West Finals.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
05-26-2009, 10:51 AM
Agree. He was ridiculous.OT, but, as far as talent taken away by injuries is concerned, there has been few losses worse than Peter Mattias Forsberg. Watching him play was something I'll never forget and when he was healthy, he was always dominant. I think it was the '99 and '02 playoffs where he led the league in points even though the Avs where eliminated in the West Finals.
05-26-2009, 10:52 AM
I'll take Ovechkin over Crybaby, er, Crosby any day. But I'll take Datsyuk over both in a heartbeat.
05-26-2009, 10:56 AM
05-26-2009, 11:01 AM
05-26-2009, 11:04 AM
He is a defensive player, but his offense is non-existent, and that [to me] precludes him from any rational discussion involving the top five players in the league. If you offered any sane GM the choice between Datsyuk and any of those players, probably 90% would choose the other player over Datsyuk.
Actually, TSN [Canadian version of ESPN] recently did a GM poll about "franchise players": out of the 28 that responded, 58% chose Crosby, with the next highest point-getter being OV at 16% with Luongo at 8% [he had more first place votes than OV, though]. It went on a 5-3-1 point system. Datsyuk was way down there!
05-26-2009, 11:10 AM
05-26-2009, 11:13 AM
OK, maybe Datsyuk isn't the "franchise player" so to speak, but I still believe him to be the most "complete" player in the NHL. Any part of the ice, any situation, the guy is gold.
You both do have valid points, but I'll stick to my choice.
05-26-2009, 11:15 AM
But, at least we can agree to disagree respectfully.
05-26-2009, 11:23 AM
M.Ed. Ex Phys
05-26-2009, 11:26 AM
05-26-2009, 11:28 AM
05-26-2009, 11:30 AM
No problem, man. I understand
But hey... I'm in Detroit. At least I have SOMETHING good, ya know?
And your team is... the Stars?
05-26-2009, 11:32 AM
05-26-2009, 11:37 AM
05-26-2009, 11:42 AM
Hockey hasn't been the same for me since St Patrick retired and I really miss those days. Sadly, only a handful of people n both teams still play (Sakic, Foote, Osgood, Lidstrom, and most of the Grind Line)
M.Ed. Ex Phys
05-26-2009, 11:53 AM
Very true. I always hope for some sort of new rivalry with Detroit and whoever... but nothing seems to stick. Chicago is looking pretty upset right now, and they're really young, so hopefully that can brew up... but nothing else has been like Wings-Avs.
05-26-2009, 11:55 AM
05-26-2009, 12:03 PM
One incident... or maybe one more brutal check to Marty Havlat
I'm surprised the guy can skate at this point (well, assuming he actually plays the next game).
05-26-2009, 01:15 PM
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