Do pro BBers cycle?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Thought these 2 pics would be amusing:

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    very much so


  2. Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF
    Thought these 2 pics would be amusing:

    <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64 031"/><img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64 032"/>
    Lee Priest eats like a pig in the offseason. He eats buckets of KFC and look how shredded he gets when he diets and takes his gear
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668
    here is from the mouth(well fingertips really) of an ifbb pro on a different forum about the usage of drugs in pro bodybuilding.

    "So sick of this - HERE'S THE TRUTH!
    This site was always set up as an advanced site, where you can find TRUTHFUL information about bodybuilding, not bul**** and ideology promoted by people who generally have agendas.

    This is the truth:

    If your diet, training, health and rest are completely up to scratch, the more steroids you take, the bigger you will get. It's as simple as that.

    Pros have got their diet, training (health for the most part) and rest up to a standard that works for them perfectly, but they are only the size they are due to the drugs they take. Don't beleive the crap from anyone, that they are not, even from the 'in the know' people that are on this board. Those very same people for the most part have used/use extremely higher dosages than what they preach. Why do they preach the low dosages? - various personal agendas.

    Reality is that as a rule, 1g per week of test non stop year round is the 'off' time for the pros. Gear is added as it's obtained - no real detailed cycles as such. As long as they take the high dosages of gear, they'll grow (as long as the diet, training, health and sleep is up to scratch as mentioned previously).

    Several grams of test per week, several grams of anabolics per week, up to 2g/week of tren, a **** load of orals, insulin several times a day year round, GH as much as can be afforded - 15 to 30IU/day, etc.

    BUT, pros have the genetics to have their bodies accept the gear, and generally not get sick on it.

    And ancilliary use is huge - liver aids to the max, anti-e's, dht blockers, cardio supps, cholesterol supps, etc.

    Still, most of them are complete wrecks. They can't control bodily functions,
    they pass out from walking a flight of stairs, they get drenched in sweat from tying their shoelaces. Gyno, baldness, dry skin, gout, excess bodily hair, acne, etc are ALL existant in virtually all of them.

    It is not a healthy sport, drug use is ENORMOUS, but to ignore it and to preach otherwise is pathetic and not what this site is about.

    BTW, Synthetek's books have on them who's who of current pros ordering Syntherol constantly. They ALL use it extensively. It is pathetic though, when one orders a bottle and their credit card gets declined due to not enough funds. You think a 30+ yo would have his life in order more than that.

    Anyway, I'm sick of seeing the bull**** that has been promoted on this site the last few years. This site was originally set up as an uncensored place where you can find the truth about advanced performance enhancing, regardless of consequences. It's getting back to that."

    hopefully that clears up the answer to the question about pro's cycling. hope its legit, granted im pretty sure it all is.
    That's the truth huh?
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    Lift the fŁcking weight from the floor, or leave it on the ground. The thoughts are supposed to be daunting. The pain is meant to be tormenting.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF
    Thought these 2 pics would be amusing:

    <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64 031"/><img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64 032"/>
    Is that for real?
    Hardcore Purus Labs {Rep}
    Lift the fŁcking weight from the floor, or leave it on the ground. The thoughts are supposed to be daunting. The pain is meant to be tormenting.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1

    Is that for real?
    Yeah. Lee preist used to bulk to almost 300lbs if i remember the numbers correctly in the off season.
    I'm just a dude chasing a dream
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  6. Stupes
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    I dont want to give out his name out of respect. The guy does his best I suppose.
    As for phil heath he does have decent genetics and there are a handful of other ppl who do that's not what im arguing. I think levrone, flex arnold they had it too. What I argue is that a branch warren to me for example build his body through way to many drugs and so is kai green. I mean this guys look like they are pregnant and bloated even when they cut down.
    And as far as looking as balloons they look in shape only a few days outta the year and that's not even all of them, some look bloated on stage..from the GH and insulin.
    C'mon bro just let it go
    What they are doing is not sustainable nor pleasant to look at and you need to own a pharmacy to sustain the amounts of stuff they take!
    THat's not bodybuilding and is the reason bodybuilding is so far underground and outa of the main stream.
    I completely agree with 95% of this - BB is way underground because it's obvious to the normal person that these guys are on a ridiculous amount of drugs, the sheer size and retardedly low BF% along with GH gut - it is a freak show rather than a show of health and strength like it used to be 40 years ago.

    I am just saying that Branch Warren and Kai Greene and the other top pros have excellent genetics to along with ridiculous amounts of drugs, unfortunately. I don't like it, personally - and it's too bad that the guys have to do that to themselves in order to compete in the sport.

  7. Why natural BBs are lucky if they can break 200lbs.
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Stupes View Post
    I completely agree with 95% of this - BB is way underground because it's obvious to the normal person that these guys are on a ridiculous amount of drugs, the sheer size and retardedly low BF% along with GH gut - it is a freak show rather than a show of health and strength like it used to be 40 years ago.

    I am just saying that Branch Warren and Kai Greene and the other top pros have excellent genetics to along with ridiculous amounts of drugs, unfortunately. I don't like it, personally - and it's too bad that the guys have to do that to themselves in order to compete in the sport.
    I wish Arnold now that he is out of politics would revive this sport and put some limits on comeptiton weights so it can be main stream again. If freakness is not rewarded ppl wont do it. I love bodybuilding been doing it for 20 years and like some of you said it's inherently a healthy sport untill money and drugs really destroyed it. I think bodybuilding should be focused on ppl who have great genetics instead of BBs who weigh 300lbs. Look at UFC. I think UFC took a street sport and put it on the map and bodybuilding can resurect itself the same way.
    If someone can do that the popularity would be off the chart. If eveyday people can look at pros and say to themselves you know if I gave it time and effort in the gym I could see if I can compete in this sport. In today's reality that's not even possible without puting your life in danger which is not an option even for ppl with great genetics.

  9. My 21 yr old says he wants to compete and I have my fears with this.
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  10. Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF
    Why natural BBs are lucky if they can break 200lbs.
    Not necessarily true. I got to 200lbs naturally at a height of 5'8" before starting any PH's followed by injectable cycles

  11. Quote Originally Posted by VS91588

    Not necessarily true. I got to 200lbs naturally at a height of 5'8" before starting any PH's followed by injectable cycles
    200 pounds at contest weight with 4% bg or 200 at the end of a bulk with 10+%? Because those two are very different things.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Jim2542 View Post
    200 pounds at contest weight with 4% bg or 200 at the end of a bulk with 10+%? Because those two are very different things.
    Exactly!!
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Jim2542 View Post
    200 pounds at contest weight with 4% bg or 200 at the end of a bulk with 10+%? Because those two are very different things.
    You think you wouldn't even need to say this..lol

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Jim2542 View Post
    200 pounds at contest weight with 4% bg or 200 at the end of a bulk with 10+%? Because those two are very different things.
    Exactly what I was going to say.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Jim2542

    200 pounds at contest weight with 4% bg or 200 at the end of a bulk with 10+%? Because those two are very different things.
    Touchť my friend, touchť lol. Mind fart.. I was at 10%.. I just thought you were refering to getting to 200lbs

  16. Case in point: Lane Norton. He goes around 230 offseason and still can't bust 200lbs in contest trim.
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons
  17. Stupes
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF
    Case in point: Lane Norton. He goes around 230 offseason and still can't bust 200lbs in contest trim.
    What is your point exactly?

  18. Tells me the guy really is sticking it out naturally for one thing.
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  19. All naturall... lol

  20. Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    There are 2 types of pros:
    1. one who have bad genetics and uses a ton of gear to make up for their deficiencies
    2. ones who have superior genetics who dont need a ton of gear to grow.

    Most pros have ****ty genetics and make up for it with a lot of gear..i know ppl who do just that always on something without rime or reason.
    Superior genetics ones are more rare and actually dont use a ton of **** because there is no need for that.
    THe more steroids you take wont get you much bigger after certain point. I've been in the game for a long time it doesnt work like that.
    IDk if i fully agree with that.It doesnt necesarily matter how much gear you do...even with more gear if your ****ty you are ****ty.. all these guys are on **** loads of stuff and basically year round,no cycling....

    dave palumbo,nothing could save this poor guy,lol


    Shawn Ray


    I can guarantee you what they run gear wise isnt to different. gear cant make up for ****ty genetics... IMO jay cutler is one of the ****test Mtr O's of all time,well the ****tiest,imo,lol
    hes like a box and always looks like hes holding weater..heis genetics are not good,again,IMO

  21. Depends what you mean by "genetics". Cutler might not have the best genetics for a pretty physique, but he has great genetics in terms of growth.

    That is one thing that most pro's share. Most of us avg joes can take boat loads of gear, train our asses off, and never be remotely close to the size of these guys.

    Drugs won't make up for ****ty insertions, and other genetic shortcomings in terms of structure, but they will certainly allow someone to grow to freak show size.

  22. 1-Well yeah thats one of the reasons i believe jay was wining,decent genetics and plenty of mass,whihc is what judges love.they love mass,so I agree 100%

    2-again i agree 100%..i know guys at my gym juicing for years and years compete diet and all that good ****.yet,they will never even be close to what these mr o guys are.. I have decent genetics,but if I juiced,it wouldnt work and I know that..My bro,great genetics if he was to juice and would have as a teen when he started training,i will tell ya i guarantee he would proba be a competitor in the ranks of the mr o.he symmetry is amazing and size..hes all natural and is a genetic freak.hes one of the few.

    3-drugs will help to show size,but thats with anyone.What gives these bodybulders the feaky look these days is the most anabolic substance out there,INSULIN,which plays a big part. but if you dont have the symmetry and the shape,you dont have it and never will.anyone can get big to an extent that is.

  23. Oh yes...and many of them run gear well into their off seasons too due to photo shoots, media work or jest because!
  24. Stupes
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleGauge1 View Post
    Oh yes...and many of them run gear well into their off seasons too due to photo shoots, media work or jest because!
    They all run gear year round. Zero doubt about it. They cruise with more gear than 95% of people on this site cycle with.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    IDk if i fully agree with that.It doesnt necesarily matter how much gear you do...even with more gear if your ****ty you are ****ty.. all these guys are on **** loads of stuff and basically year round,no cycling....

    dave palumbo,nothing could save this poor guy,lol


    Shawn Ray


    I can guarantee you what they run gear wise isnt to different. gear cant make up for ****ty genetics... IMO jay cutler is one of the ****test Mtr O's of all time,well the ****tiest,imo,lol
    hes like a box and always looks like hes holding weater..heis genetics are not good,again,IMO
    yeh, they do cycle may not be the way you think but they do cycle. After a while if you keep using the same compounds and dosages all the time you will get diminished returns plus health wise is not good. I mean these guys may be crazy but they do have half a brain left to know that if they want to compete in the future you dont crash and burn short term.
    THe one thing some of these pros have is the ability for their muscle cells to receive nutrients. Most win based on that not that they have nice symetry and stuff. Most of them cant barely suck their gut in on stage. Is that worth it to be 250 on stage instead of 230?
    For me it isnt. I think they look stupid trying to make a buck but whatever and the reason why BBing is underground and take place in high schools and no TV sponsor approaches them. Someone needs to clean up this damn mess ..lol
    I think if they have height and weight classes there wont be a need to abuse all these drugs. If you tell someone at 6ft tall to come in at 220lbs max there is little incentive for them to be 250 and abuse drugs to get there and you will have ppl naturally trying to get there. At the same time, conditioning will be more prevelent rather than bulking into the abyss.
    If there is will there is a way but so far nobody wants to step up to the plate. Meanwhile we all looking at the freak shows geting worse evey year.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    THe one thing some of these pros have is the ability for their muscle cells to receive nutrients. Most win based on that not that they have nice symetry and stuff.

    It's called Insulin..hah

    If there is will there is a way but so far nobody wants to step up to the plate. Meanwhile we all looking at the freak shows geting worse evey year.
    Actually it is getting better, and the O is a perfect example of that. 2 years in a row now they rewarded those with the better lines, smaller waist, etc. Rhoden placed 3rd for that very reason. Kai streamlined for that reason.

    Hopefully the trend continues.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Frank Reynolds

    It's called Insulin..hah

    Actually it is getting better, and the O is a perfect example of that. 2 years in a row now they rewarded those with the better lines, smaller waist, etc. Rhoden placed 3rd for that very reason. Kai streamlined for that reason.

    Hopefully the trend continues.
    Yes. The guys at the Olympia are still huge as f**k but they are deff leaner and more symmetrical. Joe Weider is deff doing his research on the body trends/evolution of each generation and letting his judges know the standard in which he wants in his IFBB athletes to be in; in order to win the O

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Frank Reynolds View Post
    It's called Insulin..hah


    Actually it is getting better, and the O is a perfect example of that. 2 years in a row now they rewarded those with the better lines, smaller waist, etc. Rhoden placed 3rd for that very reason. Kai streamlined for that reason.

    Hopefully the trend continues.
    Yes insulin does work but you still have to have the receptors to open up the cell. Im starting to realize the there is a whole biology involved in that approach too. Just taking it doesnt always does the trick.
    It seems that after Ronnie and Cutler they do seem to go a bit smaller. I agree
    I hope some day we can watch it on TV.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by VS91588 View Post
    Yes. The guys at the Olympia are still huge as f**k but they are deff leaner and more symmetrical. Joe Weider is deff doing his research on the body trends/evolution of each generation and letting his judges know the standard in which he wants in his IFBB athletes to be in; in order to win the O
    At one point Joe tried to test these guys for PED. He def knows that if he can clean it up and the sport can get into TV there are going to be a bigger following from main street.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by vassille

    At one point Joe tried to test these guys for PED. He def knows that if he can clean it up and the sport can get into TV there are going to be a bigger following from main street.
    Yeah I know it was like tested in the early 90s but it didn't do so good. In my opinion the guys can still cycle but don't let the gear overpower their physique. We need "mass with class"
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