Primordial Performance raided by FDA

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Guys, what's going on with this?

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Truly unfortunate, and if this goes through I am sure it will break a lot of hearts. Any updates you can throw our way would be great!
I'm sorry to hear about it, and I can only imagine Eric's emotions after all the hard work and set backs that took place getting the Androseries and other new products off the ground in the first place.

[Lhns2]

Agh sad day to hear this. Hope everything gets worked out.

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[tilldeath]

WTF!

[Force of Green]

I was just coming in the subforum to write about how Andro Drive is still a life-saver for me.... What a way to get fired up. I am urging everyone to get involved in politics and start pointing your anger at the right place. Time to come out from behind the screens and start taking action. Before we know it, dietary supplements will be CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES. They raided Primordial Performance, because his products are innovative and effective and they've got a list of other companies that they'll come after next. WAKE UP PEOPLE!

[Force of Green]

I paid the $7.00 to promote this on Facebook (yes, I do believe in utilizing social networks for freedom of information) as I was planning on re-ordering (2) more bottles of AndroDrive. I think that the freedom of using my money to buy supplements is now pretty much going to hell, I could afford less than ten bucks to let as much people about this know as possible. No, it's not jumping the gun... it's acting before it's too late.

[BMStricklin]

Really sucks, I was just about to order some of their stuff too.. for the beginning of the year..

[Cary K]

As long as a product is not affecting people in a negative way, the FDA should keep their **%$&* nose out of it!!!

[HereToStudy]

There are a couple threads on this topic. I will attempt to keep everyone updated as information is made available.

[DAdams91982]

It is unfortunate yes. It was only a matter of time i believe. You cannot blast the internet with slogans like "FDA Compliant Steroids" and "Steroids for the Brain". I am sure way to much attention was drawn from big brother on that, kind of like rubbing their nose in it.

[mw1]

It is unfortunate yes. It was only a matter of time i believe. You cannot blast the internet with slogans like "FDA Compliant Steroids" and "Steroids for the Brain". I am sure way to much attention was drawn from big brother on that, kind of like rubbing their nose in it.

True - I'm sure continuing to produce Transdermals did not help as well. The fDA made their stance on those known quite some time ago

[JD261985]

Just glad I got all of their products a few weeks ago. Andro hard, mass, bulk, enhance and drive. Everything but andro lean. I'm hoping ill be able to do more than just one cycle but we will see.

[Force of Green]

I know this isn't the political section, but you can sift through any magazine and see those ads in the back that say 'Legal Steroids', etc. (Winni V, D-Bolan, etc.) and those things are garbage. Plenty of companies use different advertising techniques and to be frank, PP's products work and that's what sets it apart.

Freedom isn't about building a company in fear that more and more things will get banned by the ever-growing FDA. The government only has power, because we give them power. We can educate each other about products and trust in our community to take care of ourselves and each other and decide what's good for our bodies. Remember the first 3 words of the consitution, "We The People". It still seems that a good percent of people want the government to tell us what's good and what's bad for us.

For a community of individuals who can brag and boast and post pictures of ourselves lifting extravagant amounts of weight and reach personal bests that are almost unheard of, when it comes to the constitution (particularly our Bill of Rights), we can't seem to flex a muscle.

[Force of Green]

It is unfortunate yes. It was only a matter of time i believe. You cannot blast the internet with slogans like "FDA Compliant Steroids" and "Steroids for the Brain". I am sure way to much attention was drawn from big brother on that, kind of like rubbing their nose in it.

For someone whom I have a lot of respect for, can you reflect on what you just wrote after reading it in a more critical light? You are suggesting that supplement companies should succumb to the fear of the FDA before they express freedom of advertising? I've realized the error of my way in criticizing the way some companies advertise, but a line is drawn when the government steps in and I take special exception in this case. It all boils down to freedom of speech, but where do we draw the line? When you balance morals with government mandates for advertising, you are in essence alleviating personal responsibility from the individual and thus giving more power to government. You're basically saying that Primordial Performance invited this by exercising their 1st ammendment right and coming from a company representative, I find this to be a poor reflection on the ideals of PES and I hope that the company and its owner do not share the same opinion. I hope after reading this, maybe you'll realize the error.

[Force of Green]

True - I'm sure continuing to produce Transdermals did not help as well. The fDA made their stance on those known quite some time ago

"The FDA made their stance".. . And "We the people..." ...We the People are going to just lay out and bitch everytime the FDA illegally oversteps their bounds. The government preys on weakness, that's the only way they can keep growing more powerful. America as a whole has decided to try and let government handle things for a long time now. When are we going to give freedom a chance? Well, I guess we can't really give something a chance when we can't define it. Ask the government to define 'terror', because I think they're more interested in filling our heads with all that kind of rhetoric rather than going the other route. It seems like anyone who has a grasp on what freedom is all about is considered threatening, because the idea can spread into the hearts and minds of others who understand the concept.



"Yeah we get high. We get high on the idea of Freedom!" -Ron Paul, 1988

[FL3X MAGNUM]

For someone whom I have a lot of respect for, can you reflect on what you just wrote after reading it in a more critical light? You are suggesting that supplement companies should succumb to the fear of the FDA before they express freedom of advertising? I've realized the error of my way in criticizing the way some companies advertise, but a line is drawn when the government steps in and I take special exception in this case. It all boils down to freedom of speech, but where do we draw the line? When you balance morals with government mandates for advertising, you are in essence alleviating personal responsibility from the individual and thus giving more power to government. You're basically saying that Primordial Performance invited this by exercising their 1st ammendment right and coming from a company representative, I find this to be a poor reflection on the ideals of PES and I hope that the company and its owner do not share the same opinion. I hope after reading this, maybe you'll realize the error.

I get your point, but I see his point too.

While freedom of speech does fall into play, unfortunately so does the illegality of selling "steroids."
While they are not a schedule III controlled substance (yet) it does seem logical that the FDA would track this for so long and eventually say "enough is enough."
While I don't agree with their decision it does seem like that may have played a huge part in it.

If Josh marketed the entire PES line as "FDA compliant narcotics" or something, or if an energy drink plastered the word COCAINE all over their cans, I would bet the FDA would investigate that too.

When it comes to actually making a profit and running a taxable business, it seems freedom of speech is no longer a default defense.

[FL3X MAGNUM]

I get your point, but I see his point too.

While freedom of speech does fall into play, unfortunately so does the illegality of selling "steroids."
While they are not a schedule III controlled substance (yet) it does seem logical that the FDA would track this for so long and eventually say "enough is enough."
While I don't agree with their decision it does seem like that may have played a huge part in it.

If Josh marketed the entire PES line as "FDA compliant narcotics" or something, or if an energy drink plastered the word COCAINE all over their cans, I would bet the FDA would investigate that too.

When it comes to actually making a profit and running a taxable business, it seems freedom of speech is no longer a default defense.

My point about selling "steroids" is the FDA had to at some point ask themselves if PP was in fact selling steroids. Hence facing legal issues.

[Jiigzz]

For someone whom I have a lot of respect for, can you reflect on what you just wrote after reading it in a more critical light? You are suggesting that supplement companies should succumb to the fear of the FDA before they express freedom of advertising? I've realized the error of my way in criticizing the way some companies advertise, but a line is drawn when the government steps in and I take special exception in this case. It all boils down to freedom of speech, but where do we draw the line? When you balance morals with government mandates for advertising, you are in essence alleviating personal responsibility from the individual and thus giving more power to government. You're basically saying that Primordial Performance invited this by exercising their 1st ammendment right and coming from a company representative, I find this to be a poor reflection on the ideals of PES and I hope that the company and its owner do not share the same opinion. I hope after reading this, maybe you'll realize the error.

This makes no sense, really. Freedom of speech? Are you sure? Sure, you have the RIGHT to say what you want but that doesnt mean there arn't going to be consequences for what was said. There are laws controlling how/what can be marketed and to whom these products can be marketed to. Theres no such thing as freedom of speech; at least, not in the context you are referring to.

Did you know that in my little country, tabbaco companies can no longer have their own packaging on the carton? We sell only plain packages on ciggerettes, why? Because thats the law. And the government has the power to do whats in the 'best interest' of its people.

This isnt a flame at PP, because this is a true loss to the supplement industry and I can only feel for the families that will be affected by this, but perhaps the marketing scheme could have been better thought through. The word steriods rings alarm bells, and the FDA are well within there right to shutdown any activity they believe is illegal, especially if the marketer (PP) claims they are FDA compliant, when in fact, the FDA hadn't even heard of the product.

[g0hardorgohom]

It's sad to hear that it's over. PP was the pioneer.

[FL3X MAGNUM]

It's sad to hear that it's over. PP was the pioneer.

The pioneers' products have been banned for years. But I get what you're saying lol.

Anyone want some VPX Test Cyp???? Lol

[g0hardorgohom]

The pioneers' products have been banned for years. But I get what you're saying lol.

Anyone want some VPX Test Cyp???? Lol

I should've said that they were the future of this industry

And yes, I want and some liquid M1T too! Lol