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    I'll stick for few more days with AH+AD at 6+3 since
    really no point in this stack going to waste since spent so much money on it.

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    Im kinda curious how your workout is planned out and what your diet looks like. What exactly did you want to take out of this cycle..some sort of recomp? Im starting androhard tomorrow so stick with this cycle and Ill be sure to pop in and tell you if I feel any changes going on with me we can compare notes
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    Im kinda curious how your workout is planned out and what your diet looks like. What exactly did you want to take out of this cycle..some sort of recomp? Im starting androhard tomorrow so stick with this cycle and Ill be sure to pop in and tell you if I feel any changes going on with me we can compare notes
    Could be something on diet issue cause I'm more of a amateur weight lifter and do it in my basement with limited weights and knowledge.

    Also eat same as before - only 4x a day with only lunch being big meal so I think I don't get enough calories in my body.

    Also when weight lifting I don't really push myself as hard as I could but this is due to limited equipment and weights.

    My goal was to lose belly fat and get more energy and improved mood as well as getting that alpha male status that comes with extra aggression and strength.

    I do notice improvement in energy, mood, better sleep, feel like lost some belly fat (but still not enough to see any 2 or 4pack on belly) BUT no significant increase in strength or aggression.

    After 6 days even increased appetite went back to normal level and all this time no acne.

    I think most people should get better results than me if they approach this stack with better diet and weight lifting program at max of their abilities.

    But still not feeling real effect in aggression or strength department 3h after taking AH+AD at 6+3 (which should be equivalent to 500% and more increase in testosterone level) is really not what I've expected even with less than perfect diet and lifting program.

    Will stick with this stack for few more days (max until day 20).
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    I think that is the problem......your diet. Do you count your protein? I bet its sorely lacking with eating only 4X per day. You may not even be getting your bodyweight in protein, nevermind 1.5 or double it. As far as the training at home, I do it and people are surprised I workout at home since I look pretty decent (most assume a gym is necessary to attain anything in this game). I will admit I have the usual bench with DB's and BB's, but also have a leg press and cable machine (lat/tri basically). Not "basic", but maybe mid-level. You just have to wake up and do it every day, not be lazy since you are at home.....and train intelligently and as intense as possible. Training should not be any excuse either, just a bench and DB's and BB's are all that is necessary really. The basic movements are some of the best. I think some of these things are the reasons for not making the gains you wanted, but they should not really be excuses. You should have had the diet on point before spending the money on expensive supps. Count your calories and protein for us for one day, let us know. look at the packages or online at a calorie counter site to get the numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
    I think that is the problem......your diet. Do you count your protein? I bet its sorely lacking with eating only 4X per day. You may not even be getting your bodyweight in protein, nevermind 1.5 or double it. As far as the training at home, I do it and people are surprised I workout at home since I look pretty decent (most assume a gym is necessary to attain anything in this game). I will admit I have the usual bench with DB's and BB's, but also have a leg press and cable machine (lat/tri basically). Not "basic", but maybe mid-level. You just have to wake up and do it every day, not be lazy since you are at home.....and train intelligently and as intense as possible. Training should not be any excuse either, just a bench and DB's and BB's are all that is necessary really. The basic movements are some of the best. I think some of these things are the reasons for not making the gains you wanted, but they should not really be excuses. You should have had the diet on point before spending the money on expensive supps. Count your calories and protein for us for one day, let us know. look at the packages or online at a calorie counter site to get the numbers.
    I'm only take in my bodyweight I'm protein
    Sometimes 20gs or so over. I think I may try and get 60-70g over I weight 185....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    I'm only take in my bodyweight I'm protein
    Sometimes 20gs or so over. I think I may try and get 60-70g over I weight 185....
    personally I'd say go 1.5 at least if your on these PH's....why not? either that or your bodyweight or more in protein and then an assload of BCAA or leucine like we talk about all the time in supp forum. On the AH, they suggest double the BW in protein.....so I figure to use that number and be a good boy, but I had previously been doing my BW plus about 50% more (1.5 BW) which amounted to 240-270 for me.....not set in stone, but approximate .....this past 3 weeks its been hard to get to 360 grams though, so I get at least 330-340 and try for whatever more I can get. usually don't hit double though, come up just shy. when I use the AL though, I'm gonna go BW plus a bit more (maybe 200?) plus 30 Gram BCAA PWO and 5 grams or so of leucing 5-6 times before eating. I'll be going low cals on AL, so I figure drop the protein down a bit from double and add in BCAA/leucine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    personally I'd say go 1.5 at least if your on these PH's....why not? either that or your bodyweight or more in protein and then an assload of BCAA or leucine like we talk about all the time in supp forum. On the AH, they suggest double the BW in protein.....so I figure to use that number and be a good boy, but I had previously been doing my BW plus about 50% more (1.5 BW) which amounted to 240-270 for me.....not set in stone, but approximate .....this past 3 weeks its been hard to get to 360 grams though, so I get at least 330-340 and try for whatever more I can get. usually don't hit double though, come up just shy. when I use the AL though, I'm gonna go BW plus a bit more (maybe 200?) plus 30 Gram BCAA PWO and 5 grams or so of leucing 5-6 times before eating. I'll be going low cals on AL, so I figure drop the protein down a bit from double and add in BCAA/leucine.
    I got BCAA too...
    How much do u drink?
    I berm getting like 200 guess I'll up it lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    I got BCAA too...
    How much do u drink?
    I berm getting like 200 guess I'll up it lol.
    BCAA I take 35-40 grams WO day only PWO. mostly leucine (8:1:1 ratio). So on WO days probably 300 grams protein and 35-40 BCAA. Like I said, once on androlean I will drop to say 200-220 grams protein per day plus BCAA PWO and leucine every day 5 or more grams before 5-6 times eating. Will zigzag cals from 1800-2400 for 6 days and then have a 3,000 plus cal day once per week. (I want to run separate 6-8 week solo runs of mass/lean/hard to find out how I react to them and what dosage works best for me w/o any sides like elevated BP or what have you....also to gauge their effectiveness individually). once I do the 3 solo runs.....I can then probably stack two of them and go from there for the future stacks. Like AL/AH. After I do the 3 6-8 week runs solo back to back to back, I'll do PCT and take some time off before running any dual stacks.
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    Stopped AH+AD cycle at day 16 cause no significant effect on aggression or strength.

    Today started 8 days of PCT with TRS stack.

    Summary: did feel some changes in area of increased energy and being less irritated, also erection quality improved and balls actually felt bigger and heavier and sperm volume was also above average.

    But no real feel in aggression or strength and definitely no alpha male feeling.

    Maybe I did few mistakes with this cycle going in with 4 month break in weight lifting and not eating enough cause only had 2 real meals and 2 meals that were more a snack meal.
    Also didn't really push myself really hard or long when lifting weights.

    By posting my bloodwork before starting my cycle, you can see my hormones are not in good ratio one vs another so this could also play a role in me not really responding to this cycle.

    Also my blood pressure was more or less entire day around 104/70 with heart rate around 66.

    Maybe I run this same cycle again in 3 months or not.
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    Wow, well 16 days really is not enough, I ran V2 and didn't notice anything until around 23-24 days in and then my strength went through the roof along with libido and agression. Sorry it didn't amount to what you were expecting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm
    Wow, well 16 days really is not enough, I ran V2 and didn't notice anything until around 23-24 days in and then my strength went through the roof along with libido and agression. Sorry it didn't amount to what you were expecting.
    Same here. Notice slight changes and a lot of lethargy.
    Can't wait until the first bottle is done an then onto round 2.
    I think ppl can see results from 1 bottle but it will be very minimal.
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    Was thinking whether to stick it for 3 or 4 weeks but now I'm a bit pressed with time cause in 2 weeks I'm planning to go for 2-3 months around the world and I even canceled going next week for 5 days with 4 friends on a mini road trip cause there will be heavy drinking involved.

    And I'm in the middle of launching a new online product so now I don't want to run this cycle and dealing with PCT when I'm traveling - especially if no desired results after 16 days.

    I did notice slight changes in my body figure and energy level is better but will probably go for 3-4 weeks cycle in April.

    Weird this stuff takes around 3 weeks to kick in if it's so powerful and equivalent to like 500% increase in testosterone levels after 3h of taking it and user don't feel any increase in aggression or strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahh123
    Was thinking whether to stick it for 3 or 4 weeks but now I'm a bit pressed with time cause in 2 weeks I'm planning to go for 2-3 months around the world and I even canceled going next week for 5 days with 4 friends on a mini road trip cause there will be heavy drinking involved.

    And I'm in the middle of launching a new online product so now I don't want to run this cycle and dealing with PCT when I'm traveling - especially if no desired results after 16 days.

    I did notice slight changes in my body figure and energy level is better but will probably go for 3-4 weeks cycle in April.

    Weird this stuff takes around 3 weeks to kick in if it's so powerful and equivalent to like 500% increase in testosterone levels after 3h of taking it and user don't feel any increase in aggression or strength.
    That's sucks.
    Better planning next time.
    On a cycle like this, I think I would've cut it and enjoyed my life a bit.
    Next time make sure u can devote a solid 3 months with sups and lifting to see good results... Usually ain't too much happening in 4 weeks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post
    Was thinking whether to stick it for 3 or 4 weeks but now I'm a bit pressed with time cause in 2 weeks I'm planning to go for 2-3 months around the world and I even canceled going next week for 5 days with 4 friends on a mini road trip cause there will be heavy drinking involved.

    And I'm in the middle of launching a new online product so now I don't want to run this cycle and dealing with PCT when I'm traveling - especially if no desired results after 16 days.

    I did notice slight changes in my body figure and energy level is better but will probably go for 3-4 weeks cycle in April.

    Weird this stuff takes around 3 weeks to kick in if it's so powerful and equivalent to like 500% increase in testosterone levels after 3h of taking it and user don't feel any increase in aggression or strength.
    Nearly all hormones take time to kick in except for the heavily toxic variety (e.g. SD, Halotestin).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja

    Nearly all hormones take time to kick in except for the heavily toxic variety (e.g. SD, Halotestin).
    Would u say SD would kick in with 5-7 days and AndroMass around 20-25 days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Would u say SD would kick in with 5-7 days and AndroMass around 20-25 days?
    Depends on the effect, ​with SD and similar orals I notice quick weight gain, however I usually don't see strength gains until week 3 which is the same with AM. Something like M5aa on the other hand I notice strength gains in the first 7 days...it's all variant from my experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1

    Would u say SD would kick in with 5-7 days and AndroMass around 20-25 days?
    I had sdrol kick in by day three. At least water retention wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    What happened here?
    LMFAO! hey, I remember this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    LMFAO! hey, I remember this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post
    Was thinking whether to stick it for 3 or 4 weeks but now I'm a bit pressed with time cause in 2 weeks I'm planning to go for 2-3 months around the world and I even canceled going next week for 5 days with 4 friends on a mini road trip cause there will be heavy drinking involved.

    And I'm in the middle of launching a new online product so now I don't want to run this cycle and dealing with PCT when I'm traveling - especially if no desired results after 16 days.

    I did notice slight changes in my body figure and energy level is better but will probably go for 3-4 weeks cycle in April.

    Weird this stuff takes around 3 weeks to kick in if it's so powerful and equivalent to like 500% increase in testosterone levels after 3h of taking it and user don't feel any increase in aggression or strength.
    Why was I given -11368 negative reputation points by AaronJP1 for this post which I've written over a month ago?

    If it's a new policy that you get negative points for writing that supplement didn't work on you then no point in logging anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post
    Why was I given -11368 negative reputation points by AaronJP1 for this post which I've written over a month ago?

    If it's a new policy that you get negative points for writing that supplement didn't work on you then no point in logging anything.
    I think it was because you totally half-assed the log by not working out correctly.....not eating anywhere NEAR adequately.....and if that wasn't bad enough you didn't give it a proper amount of weeks on the run....I'm sure there are more negative things I could point out if you want....
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    I think it was because you totally half-assed the log by not working out correctly.....not eating anywhere NEAR adequately.....and if that wasn't bad enough you didn't give it a proper amount of weeks on the run....I'm sure there are more negative things I could point out if you want....
    Completely agree, the post shows how mature you at at lifting. it clearly explains why it didn't work for you. sucks to suck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austinmck17 View Post
    Completely agree, the post shows how mature you at at lifting. it clearly explains why it didn't work for you. sucks to suck
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    What a fckin bust. Out of the entire AndroSeries, these are the two that I'm highly interested in. As a matter of fact, AndroDrive is the one I'm especially interested in. I was very excited when I saw the title of this. I'm at the point where I am thinking of running my first PH. D-Plex, Protomax or AndroHardv3 is what I'm considering.

    WTF are you going to do with the rest of your products now anyway OP? You're cutting this short because it didn't kick in as fast as your tongkat ali run? Man, all natty test boosters pretty much work the same way. They kick in early, peak, and stay at baseline. Tongkat ali is proven to raise testosterone levels but still...

    PHs/DS work sort of the opposite, it's cumulative effect so to speak. It's not like this was SD that you were running but seeing as how this "log" went you might as well have since you were sooo dying for that kick.
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