Flying in the face of reason - Cycle
12-29-2010 08:20 AM
Flying in the face of reason - Cycle
I chose to log this here rather than the Anabolics forum as 1) Aside from AI's Cycle Support it will all be Primordial Performance products and 2) All in all most folks in here are helpful. 3) The Primordial Reps are some of the best I have seen and have helped me SUBSTANTIALLY (Rosie and Here To Study stand out in my personal quest).
I am a 42 year old family man that decided to get back into shape about 2 years ago. I lifted a good bit in HS (LONG AGO) and learned that my genetic predisposition was for cut up skinnyish guy. 2 years ago I dropped about 30 / 35 pounds and sat at 170ish on a 5' 10" frame. I put on some muscle through a much better diet and training as well as a natural LG Natadrol cycle (I did love it). I hit a brick wall and through a few various posts ran into some advice from Rosie that everyone has heard over and over but I finally LISTENED TO... DIET, DIET, DIET.
I have tweaked my diet a good bit and added the calories I found I was severely lacking (did not know that till I tracked it). Again, thanks for the kick in the butt Rosie!!!! In the last few months I have added weight simply by eating and strive for a 40/40/20 (carb - protein - healthy fats) macro split. at times it looks more like a 50 for carbs with the fat taking the hit.
What i learned is that I am NOT a "hard gainer". I can put weight on rather easily. Unfortunatly no matter how clean I eat, it seems to be the belt line that gains it quite readily. Abs vanish and love handles appear. I am ingesting approx 3000-3200 calories a day now through 6 to 7 meals. Drinking at least a gallon of water, most days more.
Training is a modified Dorian Yates "blood and guts" focused on intensity (1 minute rests) and more sets of slightly higher reps. What I lack in the genetic "get huge/lean" gift department I make up for in recovery. It is silly fast so I can tend to do more reps sets than my training partner and feel just fine the next day.
Split is as follows:
Monday - Chest / Bi
Tuesday - Back
Wednesday - off (normally abs / cardio)
Thursday - Shoulders / Tri
Friday - Legs
Normally 1 warm up set to approx 12 reps and then follow with three sets per lift in the 6-8/ range, the last being to failure w/ assisted negatives.
I currently sit at about 184 pounds and not as lean as I would like, but I wanted to get into the habit of EATING (right and enough) as well as build a "base" to add muscle. I seem to have stalled again with adding muscle (just like the old days) but gaining weight.
I started Cycle Support yesterday and hit my back hard!!!! I will begin the Primordial Performance Turinabol - Dermacrine next week and go the 6 weeks with the TRS and TCF-1 in play as recommended. This will be a bulk but not a sloppy one. I will continue to eat what I do now (a few shakes but most protein coming from whole foods / clean eating). I will probably throw a "start of cycle pic or two in" as I find that seeing is so much better than just a tape measure / statistics. No one cares that you post that you have a X inch arm or X inch back/chest measurment. They want to see how you LOOK and carry on your frame. I do anyway.
I am exicted about this and am greatful to Rosie for kicking me in the butt and making me think about many things I thought I had covered (she is probably still shaking her head at me doing this run as this was NOT her recommendation, thus the title). Thanks to Ryan and Sean for some pointers in my searching others theads as well as in my own. Thanks also to HeretoStudy as many a traded PM lead to this particular combo for my first PH run.
Heres to a bigger 2011 with healthy low side gains and a leaner body to show it.
12-29-2010 08:21 AM
12-30-2010 08:10 PM
Was on a camping trip the past two days. Just got back and hit the gym with my wife. The looks you get when you break out the shaker cup and premeasured creatine/protein/Cycle Support to get it in ya...
Shoulder / Tricep day (note hurt right shoulder still not fully healed - numbers less than impressive while on the mend)
DB Shoulder Press warm up 15#x12 / 15#x12 - 20x9 - 25-10 - 30x9 - 30x6
Side Latteral Raises (strict form & slow) warm up 10x12 / 12.5x8 - 15x6 - 15x9
Low Pully Delt Raise (strict no jerking around) warm up 20x12 / 25x12 - 30x9 - 30x8 with 4 negatives
Reverse Pec Deck warm up 50x12 / 70x12 - 90x12 - Drop set 110x8 90x4 70x4 50x6 30x10
Cable Tricep Push Downs warm up 50x12 / 70x10 - 90x5 - Drop set 90x6 70x4 50x3 30x10 10x12 - - Follow up Drop set 70x6 50x6 30x10
Skull Crushers (did not have a spot so took it EASY) 45x8 45x8 45x8
Seated Tricep Press warm up 40x10 / 50x9 - 60x7 - 70x3 - 55x10
Seated Dip Machine warm up 70x15 / 110x15 - 130x15 - Drop Set 150x7 130x3 110x3 90x4 70x5 50x16 30x12
Packed it in...
So looking forward to begining the actual cycle. The Choc. Cycle Support is NOT a great flavor but not terrible. I understand it is WAY better than some of the other sups right around the corner (Turinabol and Dermacrine).
Absolute shame about the Andro Series but HUGE props to PP and Eric for being stand up and doing what is right by the customer rather than releasing something and lining their pockets while working on a version 2 that was the quality you had wanted in the first place. Much respect and anticipation as it is obvious it will come out when its RIGHT.
12-30-2010 08:16 PM
Killer a log to follow, best of luck with the cycle! I will be following along so if you have ANY questions let me know!!
12-30-2010 08:16 PM
Running with the Big Boys
Will definitely keep an eye out for you, Eric - you've come a way since you first started asking questions. Regardless, the Primordial team is here to support you in your quest, and if you have any further questions on what you're doing, we will answer Let's make 2011 being the best year yet!
Re the AndroSeries, Primordial definitely prides ourselves on having the consumer's best interests at heart, and we are not going to release anything that is less than safe and optimal. In the meantime, even the reps are on the edge of the seat eagerly awaiting this release.
12-31-2010 09:35 AM
Thank you Ryan and of course Rosie...
I can use all the help I can get. This is a first for me and having well educated and experianced reps willing to help is a HUGE reason that I am using Primordial.
Question: These cycle support shakes are not stellar (though I try to mask it)... That said, can I start encorporating the T-Bol and Derm into that same AM / PM shake? Sort of a ****tail of nastyness. This way I get it all out of the way at once rather than many instances of gross.
ASTG / Stims will cease when I start the cycle. I am assuming that a N.O. is still ok, or is that totally unnecessary as well?
Off to the gym for leg day. I love leg day!!!!
12-31-2010 10:49 AM
Running with the Big Boys
Originally Posted by EMARTIN
I don't see why you can't combine the liqua-vades into the same shake.
N.O. products are not necessary on-cycle, no - as with stimulant on-cycle, this is up to the individual user as to whether or not they use them.
12-31-2010 11:31 AM
Leaving a few ml's remnants of shake in a container is no big deal. If those ml's also contain actives served in ml's sizes I'd have concern.
Although it's likely a minute issue I'd drop my liqua-vades into my mouth and chase them with drink. JMHO.
01-01-2011 12:00 PM
Originally Posted by Heat Miser
Never thought about that! Very good point. I will be doing as you suggest to get what I paid for and measured out.
Rosie, thanks for the assist! Sounds like my concept would totally be ok but not assure me of getting all I measured out.
01-01-2011 12:11 PM
Yesterday was leg day (and the a very sad hunting expedition). Bambi lives another year.
Leg Extentions Warm up 90x15 // 130x14 - 170x12 - 210x12
Leg Press Warm up 170x15 // 230x15 - 330x8 - 390x6
NO HACK SQUAT (and no time for true Squats) SUCKS!!!!
Hamstring Curls Warm up 110x12 // 150x10 - 190x10 - 230x8
Stiff Leg Deads Warm up 80x12 // 120x10 - 120x8 - 120x10
Seated Calf Press (three positions) Warm up 210x20,15,15 // 250x15(3) - 250x15(3)
Really wish I had the time for some Squats but it was not meant to be this go around. I had deer waiting for me and my boy. Unfortunatly they waited till way after dark and we never even saw one. No lean bulk on venison this winter!!!!
01-02-2011 05:26 PM
The fun (actual cycle) starts tomorrow AM... Looking forward to some good clean eats, large weights, big rest, and a better looking me....
Bring it on!
01-02-2011 05:46 PM
01-02-2011 05:53 PM
I'm very pleased to hear that our reps have assisted you in your needs. I'm very pround of the team that I've put together. Our goal is to assist and interact with our consumer base as much as possible.
Originally Posted by EMARTIN
I'm here to follow along as well my friend. Best of luck!
Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
01-02-2011 07:03 PM
OK so tomorrow starts the cycle and I was just looking over the "recommended dosing" and doing the math.
The bottle of Turinabol will run the entire 6 week cycle at the 1.5 ml x 2 ED
I have two bottles (actually 4) of Dermacrine. At the recommended dose of 4 ml x 2 ED I will only use approx 1 and 1/3 bottles...
As a 42 year old first timer I am more than willing to run as recommended unless there is a compelling (and reasonable/safe) recommendation to bump up or down. Of course the Turinabol only goes one bottle deep in my stash so it is what it is... The Derm is up for discussion. There is a small part of me wanting to add in some Androhard but reality is this is a first run and that may well be considered overkill and dumb for a noobie/rookie cycle.
I suppose my other concern is simply, an opened bottle not being used for some period of time (PCT and time off cycle before even considering another run)? How long will is store opened / sealed tight / refriged / unused?
I am truely looking forward to this and have high expectations for growth and getting a bit more solid with some size. Ending up with a 10 pound gain that remains after PCT would be a bit more than spectacular to me.
01-02-2011 07:09 PM
John the PP reps are beyond awesome as is the customer support I have recieved thus far. Now if my old body is anywhere near as responsive to the product as your reps are to the questions asked... LOOK OUT!!! Looking forward to some new clothes!
Originally Posted by Trauma1
01-02-2011 07:53 PM
Bump the Derm to 5ml twice daily at that rate it will last you 50 days, towards the end of the cycle you can bump the dose again so you will finish off two bottles in 6 weeks. I think the Derm with your Turinabol will be plenty for your first cycle.
01-02-2011 08:39 PM
I have not sen any public or private "Ryans on crack" replies to your suggestion so I will move forward with the 5ml x2 ED...
Originally Posted by ryansm
JOKING! Thanks Ryan.
01-02-2011 10:18 PM
lol, you should be fine and I think you are going to love this cycle!
01-03-2011 07:49 AM
Woke and started the cycle with 1.5 ml T-Bol and 5 ml Derm...
Note to Primordial Performance Reps and product chemists: Coloring White Out purple and puting "Grape" on the lable does not make it GRAPE!!!! WOW, that was some nasty stuff. I have had my share of "why on earth am I ingesting this" products over the past few years but this one takes the honors of numero uno. On the plus side it made the gross tasting Derma more pleasant than it really is...
01-03-2011 07:15 PM
Way busy day but a pretty good work out. I have learned (due to the use of the local college gym last week) that I truely despise the gym I use at work. Benching is done in a power rack so there is NO range of motion and that severely limmits the weight I move. My numbers went down today compared to last week and that was with a spot. In the end its all what I look and feel like not the number on the lift (I am trying to convince myself of this).
The taste of the PP T-Bol is nasty to be sure and the Derma is not tasty. On the upside, one of my lifting partners pointed out that nothing he had ever tried that was any good tasted decent. So by these measures the cycle I am on will be EPIC!
Monday is Chest and Bi day.
Decline bench warm up 105x12 // 155x8 - 175x8 - 185x6 (was doing working sets of 9 with 185 free weight last week with no issues)
Flat bench warm up 105x12 // 165x8 - 165x6 - 125x10 (felt spent after decline for some reason)
Incline DB Flies warm up 20x12 // 25x10 - 30x9 - 35x10
Pec Deck warm up 60x12 // 70x12 - 90x12 - 110x12 (these will go up next week as I move up in weight and down in reps)
Ran out of time and had a meeting so a simple drop set of curls with DBs to form failure - 40 - 30 - 20 - 12
Have already dosed this evenings serving of Cycle Support and T-Bol / Derm (MMMMMmmmm)
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