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    Massive bulk with epistane and 1-T!!!!


    Alright so I'll be running epi and 1-t for all out mass. I received my 1-t yesterday and started dosing it immediately. I've already started the epistane and im about a week in. My dosing scheme is as follows:

    Epistane 1-T
    Week 1: 20mg 10mL
    Week 2: 30mg 10mL
    Week 3-4: 40mg 10mL

    I'll weigh in on monday but I'm 6'1 about 190lbs as of right now.

    I may just to opt to run the 1-t at 5mg a day since I haven't ran it and don't really know what to expect.

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    PCT will consist of Clomid, Toco-8, and some other test booster/AI (considering testopro or sustain alpha).

    As for diet, I'm eating way above maintenance. Should be at around 2k cals above. I'm ensuring this by taking the new Muscle Juice weight gainer twice a day. I'm not really concerned with fat gain as im already lean as hell and never had a problem with losing fat.

    Other supps worth noting: Muscle Juice in the A.M and another later in the day. Nutrapro protein post workout. Optimum Casein before bed. I also have a bit of Jack3d left that ill probably start to use again. I work long days and by the time I hit the gym i'm pretty beat; so that will help.

    I'll update this log on a as needed basis if anyone has questions, comments, or recommendations

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    Im kinda confused on your dosing but i am subbed nonetheless
    epistane:
    week 1: 20mg/day
    week 2: 30
    week 3: 40
    week 4: 40

    1-T:
    week 1-4: 10mg/day
    5mg in the morning, 5mg at night
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    Have you ran Epi before?

    How much 1-T do you have?

    ...the reason I ask:

    You're cutting your Epi (and 1-T off for that matter) at the most vital time. Epi kicks in hard around the middle of your third week for most users.

    A 6wk run of Epi(drol/stane/whatever) is going to be the most successful for both strength and size. Adding in the 1-T for the same amount of time is going to make for an incredible ride, but only if timed correctly.

    I say extend this cycle by two more weeks.

    Additionally, TestoPro is not going to give you the power that Sustain Alpha will. I've personally seen bloodwork from TestoPro, as well as bloodwork from the main active in SA...they're incomparable. This is by no means conclusive as it was one report, but take it for what it's worth: Sustain Alpha is the way to go, man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    Have you ran Epi before?

    How much 1-T do you have?

    ...the reason I ask:

    You're cutting your Epi (and 1-T off for that matter) at the most vital time. Epi kicks in hard around the middle of your third week for most users.

    A 6wk run of Epi(drol/stane/whatever) is going to be the most successful for both strength and size. Adding in the 1-T for the same amount of time is going to make for an incredible ride, but only if timed correctly.

    I say extend this cycle by two more weeks.

    Additionally, TestoPro is not going to give you the power that Sustain Alpha will. I've personally seen bloodwork from TestoPro, as well as bloodwork from the main active in SA...they're incomparable. This is by no means conclusive as it was one report, but take it for what it's worth: Sustain Alpha is the way to go, man.
    yes i've run epi before. i did a 4 weeker and gained about 12lbs from what i remember and that was off 30mg throughout. interesting you say that. could you recommend a good dosing scheme for the two?

    im a little reluctant to extend the cycle as ill be out of the country at the end of october for a few days. i doubt ill be able to travel with clomid in my bag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    yes i've run epi before. i did a 4 weeker and gained about 12lbs from what i remember and that was off 30mg throughout. interesting you say that. could you recommend a good dosing scheme for the two?

    im a little reluctant to extend the cycle as ill be out of the country at the end of october for a few days. i doubt ill be able to travel with clomid in my bag.
    Perhaps 4 weeks is fine for you then; for me, and most others that's just where the fun begins.

    Is your Clomid tablet or liquid form?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    epistane:
    week 1: 20mg/day
    week 2: 30
    week 3: 40
    week 4: 40

    1-T:
    week 1-4: 10mg/day
    5mg in the morning, 5mg at night

    Are you using M1T? Regular 1t unless im just lost in the sauce isnt dosed anywhere near that. Your Epi doses look good though and i definately recommend Sustain Alpha, the TRS stack is where its at for all of your PCT needs.
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    my clomid is in liquid form. sorry 3clipse i meant mL's instead of mg's just looked at the label
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    my clomid is in liquid form. sorry 3clipse i meant mL's instead of mg's just looked at the label
    Hahah np man, i was just scratchin my head for a bit there like hhmm..
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    haha yea so i might just run 5mL's a day of the 1-T and extend the cycle out a week or 2.. but i'll see when things start to kick in
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    This run's gonna dry the **** out of your joints. You might want to throw in some Cissus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrYmAsTeR17 View Post
    This run's gonna dry the **** out of your joints. You might want to throw in some Cissus.
    i never really had a problem with joints in anything that ive run in the past. but ill def keep it in mind nd watch out for it.
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    Alright so this morning I weighed in at 199.. I was actually surprised because I thought it would lower. I knew I was still in the 190's just didn't think that high. I wish it would of said 200 though lol (i like round #'s!!).

    Ideally, I would like to get to 210 when all is said and done with this cycle. If i can go higher then that, even better.
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    oh and today i will be bumping my dose of epi up to 30mg (3 pills). any recommendations on how to space them out. i was taking 20 mg (2 pills) one in the morning and 1 prior to training (8 hours after am dose). should i now take my one in the am and then the two pre workout?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    i never really had a problem with joints in anything that ive run in the past. but ill def keep it in mind nd watch out for it.
    Cool good luck on the stack bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    oh and today i will be bumping my dose of epi up to 30mg (3 pills). any recommendations on how to space them out. i was taking 20 mg (2 pills) one in the morning and 1 prior to training (8 hours after am dose). should i now take my one in the am and then the two pre workout?
    I dont think it really matters, id just space em out evenly, do you get any type of mental boost from the Epi? If so then yea dose 1 am 2 prior to a workout, but if not just evenly space em out.

    Also as long as you are eating enough, i really dont see 10lbs being a problem with this stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    I dont think it really matters, id just space em out evenly, do you get any type of mental boost from the Epi? If so then yea dose 1 am 2 prior to a workout, but if not just evenly space em out.

    Also as long as you are eating enough, i really dont see 10lbs being a problem with this stack.
    i agree im just gonna space them out. 1 am, 1 pre w/o, 1 a little later on. never noticed a mental boost from it unfortunately.

    i am definately eating more then enough. id say the only thing that could hinder my gains is the actual training. i hit the gym at night after work. i wake up at 530am, and dont get to the gym until about 630-7pm. i know some ppl have crazier hours then me, but by then im pretty shot and could fall asleep for the night. i do train as hard as i can though when im there.. i think i may have to start taking jack3d again.
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    so things are going good so far i guess. some little things ive noticed so far:

    -feeling alot more 'fuller'; as in vascular. could just be a psychological thing
    -strength seems to be increasing. will try to do my maxes this week
    -appetite is increasing
    -feeling alot more tired then usual. this could be due to other factors though

    i think ill up my dose of 1-t to 10mL's/day on saturday. like i said earlier, i really dont know what to expect from 1-t (in terms of when it kicks in, etc.) as ive never ran it.

    oh i almost forgot to post what my w.o schedule looks like if anyones curious:
    monday: shoulders/traps
    tues: legs/bi's
    wed: off day
    thurs: back
    fri: chest/tri's
    usually in the gym for atleast 1 hour each session.
    **sometimes ill take another day off during the week if im too tired from work. but i always will make up for it over the weekend
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    Nice bike btw. Im a bike guy at heart, just never the money to go through with it. Think of starting with a used 600. I love Ducatis and higher CC Suzukis, but i'd rather not jump on a death machine until I am quite experienced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Nice bike btw. Im a bike guy at heart, just never the money to go through with it. Think of starting with a used 600. I love Ducatis and higher CC Suzukis, but i'd rather not jump on a death machine until I am quite experienced.
    thanks.. there's no better feeling then going 150+ on an open highway at night. yes i have a death wish lol. but on a serious note; definitely start on a 600. for little guys 600s are perfect. but after a while your gonna want to try a litre bike. its like night and day between a 600 and a 1000. take a msf riding course. they teach you how to ride and you get your license at the end of the course. thats what i did and it def helped. you wont regret getting a bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    thanks.. there's no better feeling then going 150+ on an open highway at night. yes i have a death wish lol. but on a serious note; definitely start on a 600. for little guys 600s are perfect. but after a while your gonna want to try a litre bike. its like night and day between a 600 and a 1000. take a msf riding course. they teach you how to ride and you get your license at the end of the course. thats what i did and it def helped. you wont regret getting a bike!
    Ha death wish indeed. I think I am set on doing it, I just won't allow myself to do it previous to knocking off some of my debt (Looking to be free within next year or two). I have often heard that the 600 will only satisfy for so long, but I figure it would be good enough for me for a couple seasons, especially as a beginner.

    In IL, the MSF courses are not really well located around the city (I don't drive because of city transportation). We do have a private company, RideChicago, that does course training, then licensing at the location, which at the end of it would probably cost around 300. I actually decided though that if I go through with it, I am going to make a vacation out of hitting one of the big road racing classes, where they take you on the actual race track and teach you advance techniques, etc.. I live for the day that ill be taking a turn with my knee one inch from the gound lol.
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    DEFINATELY night and day between a 600 and litre bike. I had a 07 Gixxer 600 and then bought an 07 R1, the R1 blew away the 600 and even though was a litre bike, cornered like my 600, just loved it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    In IL, the MSF courses are not really well located around the city (I don't drive because of city transportation). We do have a private company, RideChicago, that does course training, then licensing at the location, which at the end of it would probably cost around 300. I actually decided though that if I go through with it, I am going to make a vacation out of hitting one of the big road racing classes, where they take you on the actual race track and teach you advance techniques, etc.. I live for the day that ill be taking a turn with my knee one inch from the gound lol.
    not sure how they do it in IL, but here in NY you also get a reduction in insurance AND up to I think 3 or 4 points off your license. It's a win win no matter how you look at it. knock out some of that debt and get ridin! winter would be the perfect time to buy a bike too since the dealers are tryin to push them out
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    **Update**

    yesterday was back day and i had a really good workout. i think it was because i took 2 scoops of jack3d about a half hr before the gym. i decided to start taking it again bc im completely shot after work and need a boost. i DL'ed 405 for 2 reps (usually only go to 315 for a couple reps) so I was happy with that. had a good pump throughout the w.o. i probably could have stayed longer but i rly wanted to just go home.

    unfortunately i barely got any sleep last night. i dont know if it was from the jack3d or the epi/1-t. i took the jack3d at around 6pm and never rly had trouble falling asleep before this. i was sweating alot and just couldnt get into sleep mode.

    so im not sure if ill hit the gym today cause ill prob be crazy tired. if i dont, ill make up for it tomorrow or sunday.
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    Weighed in this morning at 205. pretty good increase in weight i thought i would be a little heavier though.

    things to note:
    DEFINITE increase in aggression
    pimples are starting to come out over chest, back, face
    strength and weight both increasing
    im always tired (even before this cycle) so i cant attribute lethargy to either of the compounds

    im happy with my numbers so far. i didnt work out friday or saturday. on friday i was so tired from work that i said i would go saturday. this didnt happen though because of a long crazy night on friday. so i had to go on sunday to makeup for it. my diet was kindof off for the later half of friday and all of saturday because i had a bunch of stuff going on. even so i think im making good progress. a nice 210 would be great; but 215 would be even better.

    im not sure if i want to increase my dose of epi to 40mg. for one, the sides are somewhat tolerable at this point and i seem to be making gains. i did however increase the dose of 1-t yesterday to 10mL's (another 5mL's later in the day). i think if i stay at 30mg ill be able to squeeze another week of epi out of it. any advice or suggestions is appreciated
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    Looks like things are going well. As for the epi question, I will wait for someone who has experience with it to chime in. I will be trying epi later this year for the first time
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    p.s. im still debating whether i want to run clomid for my pct, or just pickup the triazole/activate xtreme stack
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    p.s. im still debating whether i want to run clomid for my pct, or just pickup the triazole/activate xtreme stack
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    i have the clomid already i was just debating if i wanted to run the triazole/actx stack instead. ive been hearing really positive things about it. what would you recommend in addition to the clomid? i have that and pp's toco-8 as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    i have the clomid already i was just debating if i wanted to run the triazole/actx stack instead. ive been hearing really positive things about it. what would you recommend in addition to the clomid? i have that and pp's toco-8 as well
    Wait until about the third week to implement that stack but run the toco-8 throughout.
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    2 k cals above maintenance? lol

    no need to go that high
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    2 k cals above maintenance? lol

    no need to go that high
    His stomach will have all sorts of digestive issues from that much extra. Even 750 kcals above maintenance is a big amount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Wait until about the third week to implement that stack but run the toco-8 throughout.
    are you referring to starting the triazole/actx my 3rd week during the cycle or during pct?

    surprisingly i havent had any digestive issues yet. i mean i am dropping coconuts more then usual and crop dusting the office all day; but nothing crazy
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    are you referring to starting the triazole/actx my 3rd week during the cycle or during pct?

    surprisingly i havent had any digestive issues yet. i mean i am dropping coconuts more then usual and crop dusting the office all day; but nothing crazy
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    interesting, any reasoning behind it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    interesting, any reasoning behind it?
    Increasing your free test will also result in a reduction in total test. During PCT, your test is already pretty damn low and lowering it further would be a bad idea.
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