The Complete Testosterone Recovery Stack

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    AM Members,

    We are proud to announce the completion of This stack maximizes LH & FSH secretion and enhances testicular sensitivity for the maximum testosterone increase. This is perfect for PCT, or general performance enhancement.


    Here is a brief rundown of what each product does -

    1. Sustain Alpha causes the LH & FSH “release” from the pituitary by suppressing and blocking estrogen at the receptor with 7,8 Benzoflavone and Resveratrol.

    with its high content of tocotrienols, helps increase the concentration of LH & FSH in the pituitary for a strong “burst” during LH & FSH release. Toco-8 also enhances the testes sensitivity to LH.


    3. further amplifies the testosterone response from Sustain alpha by increasing the testes ability to create testosterone. By reducing cortisol, EndoAmp protects the testicular leydig cells, increases the testicular steroidogenic enzyme concentration, and enhances steroid-to-enzyme association. EndoAmp creates the perfect environment for testicular steroidogenesis – aka testosterone creation.

    With our complete Testosterone Recovery Stack for 119.99 you get enough of each product to last 30 days (that saves you $15).

    Plus, with the forum discount of “SPONSOR10” you can save an additional 10%!

    And remember, all orders over $150 get FREE 2-3 day shipping! (within the US only)

    -Pp

    A visual schematic



  2. Looks very useful.

    Would the Toco-8 and EndoAmp be similarly beneficial to use with Dermacrine? Or do you feel there is the most synergy with Sustain Alpha?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Messenger View Post
    Looks very useful.

    Would the Toco-8 and EndoAmp be similarly beneficial to use with Dermacrine? Or do you feel there is the most synergy with Sustain Alpha?
    You can use Toco-8 and EndoAmp with Dermacrine for additional benefits, but Sustain is what’s targeted for PCT.

    Dermacrine has high amounts of DHEA and pregnenolone and this can inhibit natural testosterone production.

    -Pp

  4. Yep, I have used both Dermacrine and Sustain before. What I was wondering is whether the inclusion of DHEA and Pregnenolone lessens the need for the EndoAmp.

    For example for a lean bulk, would it be more productive to run Phyto Test with Dermacrine followed by the Test Recovery Stack, or would Endo Amp and Toco8 still have a beneficial effect alongside Dermacrine?

  5. Sorry, I just realized this is specifically a PCT thread, so maybe I should be asking this in the Primordial section?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    So what is this gonna cost around $500 a month??.
    Try reading:

    With our complete Testosterone Recovery Stack for 119.99 you get enough of each product to last 30 days (that saves you $15).

  7. Quote Originally Posted by TheNoid View Post
    Try reading:

    Oops...I will put my foot in my mouth now!

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Messenger View Post
    Yep, I have used both Dermacrine and Sustain before. What I was wondering is whether the inclusion of DHEA and Pregnenolone lessens the need for the EndoAmp.

    For example for a lean bulk, would it be more productive to run Phyto Test with Dermacrine followed by the Test Recovery Stack, or would Endo Amp and Toco8 still have a beneficial effect alongside Dermacrine?
    Yeah, EndoAmp would best be saved for after Dermacrine durring the PCT with Sustain Alpha and Toco-8.

    -Pp

  9. Just wanted to drop a quick report on this stack of 3.
    Toco-8: it is a tasteless powder able to be eated right out of the measuring scoop or it does mix easily w/ water or juice.
    EndoAMP: same as above !
    Sustain Alpha: Lot#2300. using 5 pumps, like a lotion which dries rapidly without stickyness when applied dry. When right out of the shower it takes longer. The product has an interesting odifferous emination - its a smell I can't yet describe and has taken me a while to get used to. No one I know has said anything to me about being "smelly" so I'm assuming its just something the user experiences since its on my chest right under my nose.

    The combo has so far been a positve impact at reducing my fatigue / grey moods and thats nice

  10. Quote Originally Posted by scoooter View Post
    Just wanted to drop a quick report on this stack of 3.
    Toco-8: it is a tasteless powder able to be eated right out of the measuring scoop or it does mix easily w/ water or juice.
    EndoAMP: same as above !
    Sustain Alpha: Lot#2300. using 5 pumps, like a lotion which dries rapidly without stickyness when applied dry. When right out of the shower it takes longer. The product has an interesting odifferous emination - its a smell I can't yet describe and has taken me a while to get used to. No one I know has said anything to me about being "smelly" so I'm assuming its just something the user experiences since its on my chest right under my nose.

    The combo has so far been a positve impact at reducing my fatigue / grey moods and thats nice
    Cool, how old are you scooter? If you dont mind me asking of course...

    Also stacking in PCT or just a solo stack?

  11. In my profile is all the data but to make it easy I just turned 42 this month. Yes, I'm stacking these in PCT after a 5 wk Havoc /AH-89 PH cycle.

    The powders also mixed well in my oatmeal .......mmm yummy.
    Last edited by scoooter; 03-25-2008 at 11:04 AM. Reason: add info

  12. Quote Originally Posted by scoooter View Post
    In my profile is all the data but to make it easy I just turned 42 this month. Yes, I'm stacking these in PCT after a 5 wk Havoc /AH-89 PH cycle.

    The powders also mixed well in my oatmeal .......mmm yummy.
    :-)

    -Pp

  13. This stuff has been great ! to summarize....like the song says "The boys are back in town" (Thin Lizzy)

  14. Quote Originally Posted by scoooter View Post
    This stuff has been great ! to summarize....like the song says "The boys are back in town" (Thin Lizzy)
    Lol, same way I felt.

  15. I never had real shrinkage during my cycle (8 weeks of 1-t @ 600mg with the last 3 weeks being superdrol ramped from 10-30) but did loose some libido. my results were pretty amazing on Sustain alpha + toco-8 as my only PCT items (i also used creatine and x-factor, but neither effects testosterone)



    I really noticed the boys hanging lower than normal even around week two. The final result was about a month after PCT ended. I lost about 10% bodyfat over the timespan between the tests, but I still can't believe my testosterone almost tripled!

  16. Very good info...

  17. ... and if you notice, his T levels went up while LH/FSH declined. This suggests that his testicular sensitivity was improved – exactly what the Toco-8 is designed to do.

    -Pp

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    ... and if you notice, his T levels went up while LH/FSH declined. This suggests that his testicular sensitivity was improved – exactly what the Toco-8 is designed to do.

    -Pp
    I loved the regulare sustain, i cant wait to try the sustain alpha. Products are looking good PP!
    E-Pharm Rep... PM me with any questions or concerns

  19. EJL:
    how much do those panels cost? It would be good to find an inexpensive lab for regular testing of different protocols.

    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I never had real shrinkage during my cycle (8 weeks of 1-t @ 600mg with the last 3 weeks being superdrol ramped from 10-30) but did loose some libido. my results were pretty amazing on Sustain alpha + toco-8 as my only PCT items (i also used creatine and x-factor, but neither effects testosterone)



    I really noticed the boys hanging lower than normal even around week two. The final result was about a month after PCT ended. I lost about 10% bodyfat over the timespan between the tests, but I still can't believe my testosterone almost tripled!

  20. www.salivatest.com. Based out of Beaverton, OR. Great company. ZRT Labs.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Cerberus View Post
    www.salivatest.com. Based out of Beaverton, OR. Great company. ZRT Labs.
    Just to clarify, these EJ's tests where done with blood so we could have the most accurate measurement of Testosterone, LH and FSH.

    -Pp

  22. Primordial Performance kicks all kinds of ass!!!!!








    Sorry, I am a big fan.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Just to clarify, these EJ's tests where done with blood so we could have the most accurate measurement of Testosterone, LH and FSH.

    -Pp
    Ok, so then how far off can saliva testing be?

  24. The saliva testing is supposed to be as accurate as blood tests, but a lot of people don't believe that.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by coolbreeze View Post
    Ok, so then how far off can saliva testing be?

    Saliva testing only tests for free Tesosterone, not total testosterone like blood testing.

    It also cant test for LH or FSH.

    -Pp

  26. So in general, not just for guys coming off a cycle or HRT, but anyone over 40 who shows low Test levels - this stack would work for I guess?

    Would this stack be able to increase the set-point of endogenous production such that when the PP stack is completed the Test levels stay elevated or does one need to cycle on these items continuously?

    (obviously blood work will show what each person needs to do, but in general I mean)

    Thanks!

  27. Hard to say. my blood tests were a month after stopping sustain, so for me my set point was higher obviously. I suppose like many other things it depends on the individual. especially though I think if you can also use the extra hormones to drop unncessary bodyfat it can help make a permanent change

  28. Ok, thanks. How do you guys know how to read Hormone Panels? I mean, beside the general I'd like to understand more detail the relationship between total, free, bioavailable, shbg, etc - I've seen numbers all over the place and its hard to get clarity. any reference books? Or a thread here perhaps?

  29. Quote Originally Posted by coolbreeze View Post
    Ok, thanks. How do you guys know how to read Hormone Panels? I mean, beside the general I'd like to understand more detail the relationship between total, free, bioavailable, shbg, etc - I've seen numbers all over the place and its hard to get clarity. any reference books? Or a thread here perhaps?
    Testosterone Reference ranges used by LabCorp -

    Reference Interval Male:
    20-29 years: 9.3-26.5 pg/mL
    30-39 years: 8.7-25.1 pg/mL
    40-49 years: 6.8-21.5 pg/mL
    50-59 years: 7.2-24.0 pg/mL
    >60 years: 6.6-18.1 pg/mL

    Testosterone Reference ranges used by Quest Laboratories

    Hormone Conventional / normal Optimal
    Free Testosterone 50-210 pg/ml 150-210 pg/ml
    Estradiol 0-60 pg/ml 15-30 pg/ml
    Total Testosterone 260-1000 ng/dl 500-1000 ng/dl

    Other ranges -

    Free Testosterone (Bioavailable Testosterone):
    Adult Male Reference Interval
    Free Testosterone:
    1-9 years: < 6 pg/ml
    10-18 years: 0.6-159 pg/ml
    19 years and older: 47.0-244.0 pg/ml
    % Free Testosterone: 1.6-2.9%

    Estrone E1 1.5-6.5ng/dL (55-240pmol/L)
    Estradiol E2 10-50pg/ml (37-184pmol/L)
    5alpha- DHT 30-100ng/ml (1.0-3.4nmol/L)
    Testosterone (10.4-34.7 nmol/L)
    DHEA-S 280-640 ug/dL----- 2-6mg/L
    Pregnenolone 10-200 ng/dL
    DHEA 1.5-6 ug/L (42-290 ug/dL)
    Androstenediol 2-3 ug/L (in young men)
    Androstenediol .3-1.2 ng/ml


    -Pp
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