my no pct experiment starts soon

**myfathersboy** · 05-31-2006, 01:17 AM

Ok. Let's imagine for a moment that you not a moron and say that you are correct in stating that gyno/shutdown/cardiovascular/etc issues are vastly overstated....You do realize that one of the primary reasons for PCT is to RETAIN THE GAINS YOU MADE ON CYCLE....

Or do you cycle just for fun?

**myfathersboy** · 05-31-2006, 01:18 AM

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Ok. Let's imagine for a moment that you not a moron and say that you are correct in stating that gyno/shutdown/cardiovascular/etc issues are vastly overstated....You do realize that one of the primary reasons for post cycle therapy is to RETAIN THE GAINS YOU MADE ON CYCLE....

Or do you cycle just for fun?

The rest of you bear with me...I know it's stretching the imagination to it's farthest limits.....

**yeahright** · 05-31-2006, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

I hate you so much, and I'm not sure why.

Because when people like this hurt themselves, it casts a negative light upon these supplements in particular and bodybuilding in general.

Mulletsoldier · 05-31-2006, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by yeahright

Because when people like this hurt themselves, it casts a negative light upon these supplements in particular and bodybuilding in general.

Yes, that would make me dislike an individual.

Brent · 05-31-2006, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jmh80

In.

(Now we can close it down.

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Just don't ban the guy. If he is for real I would really like to see his results/effects!

**yeahright** · 05-31-2006, 01:33 AM

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Just don't ban the guy. If he is for real I would really like to see his results/effects!

No you don't. If things go bad (as they are likely to do) then he'll either lie or just fade away.

If he completely lucks out and his body bounces back without obvious problems, he's going to be convinced that he's right and convince others to do the same things (who won't luck out).

Mulletsoldier · 05-31-2006, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by yeahright

No you don't. If things go bad (as they are likely to do) then he'll either lie or just fade away.

If he completely lucks out and his body bounces back without obvious problems, he's going to be convinced that he's right and convince others to do the same things (who won't luck out).

Exactamundo!. This is the exact same reason I despise people who have horrible diet/training practices, or assinine cycle plans and are determined to pollute AM.com with their logs. An uninformed individual will seek out anything that will justify their already held belief, it's called selective perception/reception.

Brent · 05-31-2006, 01:54 AM

I was just hoping for some entertainment, thats all.

idunk42 · 05-31-2006, 10:11 AM

I still cant believe this thread is still open!

Hey vlad, will you please do something thats against ther rules, so you can just get banned?

Viperspit · 05-31-2006, 10:14 AM

IN before the shutdown

**B5150** · 05-31-2006, 11:06 AM

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blood tests will be done june 3rd and after cycle is done

In the event that he provides the proper bloodwork there is no reason to discourage him from 'experimenting' on his own. The likelyhood of the proper bloodwork being collected is slim. Lets let him procede to share what he intends to do. If indeed he provides the supportive evidence to substantiate one way or the other his theory we shall allow him to do so. The prerequisite of proper bloodwork need be met. Without it this will be shut down. Anecdotal evidence such as 'I got no tits', 'my boys are fine', 'I kept my strength', etc. etc. is not data. vlad878 needs to back it up.

Lets not add anymore flames to this thread. Nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd.

intrepid · 05-31-2006, 11:41 AM

If accurate bloodwork is presented, this experiment would serve as an excellent tool for beginners into the world of AAS/PH's. Vlad, the biggest problem I have thus far is your biased standpoint. Don't ruin the experiment before it starts. Ignore the trash talk and post accurate/scientific data. Good luck.

**jmh80** · 05-31-2006, 06:52 PM

Now we are encouraging him???

B5150 and SJA and company wrote an EXCELLENT thread called "safe cycling - it's in your hands". Now, we've regressed completely??

What the hell???

**jminis** · 05-31-2006, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jmh80

Now we are encouraging him???

B5150 and SJA and company wrote an EXCELLENT thread called "safe cycling - it's in your hands". Now, we've regressed completely??

What the hell???

No one regressed jmh. He's running an experiment on himself and getting bloodworkd done. What SJA and B5 wrote is ways to run a successful and safe cycle with the knowledge that is out there.

**jmh80** · 05-31-2006, 08:13 PM

Alright, alright.

Just sounds a bit like it to me.

**B5150** · 05-31-2006, 08:20 PM

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Now we are encouraging him???

Now, we've regressed completely??

What the hell???

We all know very well his is going to do this anyway. I am not encouraging him. I am allowing the thread to remain open because I am challenging him to prove his theory. In the event that he dose not provide evidence through data I will shut this down.

I also am challenging our members and community to allow him to face the challenge. As a moderator/administrator I see nothing that he has done that violates any board rules. He claimed to want to do an experiment. Lets see him face the challenge.

In reality what we need to see is pre cycle, end of cycle, end of post cycle therapy, and no post cycle therapy bloodwork (at the same time as end of post cycle therapy).

Just at a minimum we would want to see:
Total Test, Free Test, % Free Test, FSH, LH

This of course does not cover what he is doing to his liver or lipids.

I really believe that the limiting factor is simply that he is not going to be able to get the lab work to complete the study. (cost, resources, timing, commitment, etc.)

Mark my words....IN