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I did 1 cycle 20 months ago and got my test levels checked about 9 weeks (3 weeks after a show) ago and i was at 297. I was feeling fine until about 7 months ago when i started to get erection problems and loss of energy. I did a show 12 weeks ago so maybe my levels were low cause of that. But i was having problems even before i started prep. for this show. As i said its been about 12 weeks since my show and things dont seem to be getting better. Still having erection problems and starting to feel very tierd and depressed more often.
I did a 10 week cycle of Test E and EQ 500/400 with arimidex during and clomid post cycle. I was 20 years old when i did this cycle. I really think this might be the reason for these problems now.
Right now i am making sure to avoid over training and following a very good diet with plenty of fats (esp. EFA's)
Any other suggestions would be great and if i could provide any other info let me know.
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Can you get ahold of some hCG? That can get you by while you prep for an extensive recovery cycle. Do you remember what your Clomid PCT was exactly?
 

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Yeah i can get pretty much anything.
I ran Day 1 300mg, Day 2 250mg, 3-10 150mg, 11-18 100mg, 18-25 50mg.
 
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Wow, that really looks good. You maybe should have extented it a few more weeks is all. I always do a 2 month PCT personally. You are going to need some more Clomid (or better yet Fareston if you can find it), Fenugreek, RXT and hCG. It would also not hurt to have some Nolva, Coconut oil, DHEA, Cialis and Tribulus. I have been in your shoes before my friend. I remember once when I was still a teen, I did a 3 month cycle of methyltestosterone @ 25mg/d only. I did no PCT afterward. It took 16 months before my testosterone levels returned to normal! I had actually given up on my balls ever coming back home, but even if you do nothing, you are so young I'm sure you'll bounce back like I did. Can you get these items I mentioned?
 

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Not 100% sure about the Toremifene yet but should be able to get the rest. What kinda protocol are we looking at? How much of each will i prob. need?
Also, not 2 familiar with fenugreek. I knows its legal but what kind and where is the best place to get it?
 
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Not 100% sure about the Toremifene yet but should be able to get the rest. What kinda protocol are we looking at? How much of each will i prob. need?
Also, not 2 familiar with fenugreek. I knows its legal but what kind and where is the best place to get it?
I'll work it all out and submit a plan to you tomorrow bro. Sorry, real busy these days man, but I know your issue is very important to you and I think I can help. It may get expensive though.
 
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I'll work it all out and submit a plan to you tomorrow bro. Sorry, real busy these days man, but I know your issue is very important to you and I think I can help. It may get expensive though.
Hmmmm...

Fenugreek - $4
Clomid - $40
Being able to Tea Bag Your Girl - Priceless.

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Oh take your time. I really appreciate you helping me already. I have been dealing with this for a while so a few extra days or even weeks isn’t that big of a deal.
 
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Dr. D should have his own color.

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Dr. D should have his own color.

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Oh take your time. I really appreciate you helping me already. I have been dealing with this for a while so a few extra days or even weeks isn’t that big of a deal.
OK, well it's all going to start with an hCG prime. Do you have any, and how much can you get a hold of? I'd like to see you do about 15-30 thousand IU's over the first month. You'll need ~10g of Clomid or Toremifene and 3 bottles of RXT. The fen can be NOW (1fast), Nature's Way, whatever.. You can even buy whole seeds and grind them yourself if you want. Any brand is fine so just get what you can, about 150g total.

Coconut oil (1.5 liters), DHEA (18g), Cialis (0.5g) if you still have some cash left these would be helpful adjucts.
 
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Mostly the higher chain constituents like myristic, lauric, stearic, palmetic TG's moreso than the medium chain TG's I suspect. Seems to aid recovery for me.
 
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You'll need ~10g of Clomid or Toremifene and 3 bottles of RXT. The fen can be NOW (1fast), Nature's Way, whatever.. You can even buy whole seeds and grind them yourself if you want. Any brand is fine so just get what you can, about 150g total.
Are you saying toremifene is naturally derived from some kind of seed? Which kind? Or am I misreading?:think:
 
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight... I read Toremifen many places so "fen" sounded like that one to me. Brain fart. I'm kinda losing my mind on this chelation therapy. Seriously I'm making about 100x the mistakes I normally do. :frustrate
 

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Im about to get my HCG. You said were going to run 15-30 IU the first month. Is that all were going to run? Cause i might as well get all the stuff i need at once. Also, having a tough time finding the fareston so im going to go with clomid. I have heard about people complain about gyno from HCG should i get some nolva as well? Thanks alot.
 
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Im about to get my HCG. You said were going to run 15-30 IU the first month. Is that all were going to run? Cause i might as well get all the stuff i need at once. Also, having a tough time finding the fareston so im going to go with clomid. I have heard about people complain about gyno from HCG should i get some nolva as well? Thanks alot.
Yeah, 15-30 thousand units of hCG! I'm assuming your shut down really hard, but if not, we may be able to cut this in half. Here's the basic plan.. subject to change products, times and doses based on your weekly responses:

wk1: hCG 3000iu 3x/wk, Letro 1.0mg/d
wk2: hCG 2000iu 3x/wk, Letro 0.5mg/d, Fen 4caps/n
wk3: hCG 1000iu 3x/wk, Letro 0.25mg/d, Fen 5caps/n
wk4: hCG 250iu 3x/wk, Letro 0.25mg EOD, Fen 6caps/n, Clomid 200mg/n
wk5: Clom 150mg/n, RXT 75mg/d, Trib 6 caps/n, DHEA 100mg 2x/d
wk6: Clom 50mg/n, Nolva 40mg/n, RXT 75mg/d, Trib 8 caps/n, DHEA 100mg 2x/d
wk7: Nolva 40mg/n, RXT 100mg/d, Trib 10 caps/n, DHEA 100mg/d
wk8: Nolva 20mg/n, RXT 100mg/d, Fenugreek 4 caps/n, DHEA 100mg/d
wk9: Fenugreek 5 caps/n, RXT 50mg, DHEA 50mg/d
wk10: Fenugreek 6 caps/n, RXT 25mg/d

Take a little Cialis, yohimbine and/or Proviron as needed for "situations" and use 15-30ml coconut oil/day. Get extra fat in general, saturated is OK in this case. Also, adding zinc, vitamin C, and a little Proscar or any 5a-reductase inhibitor would not hurt either. In 2 months you should be bouncing again.
 

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So this is what i need:
hCG: 20,000 IU
Letro: 15mg
Clomid: 2800mg
Nolv. 700mg
Rebound: 2 bottles
Fenugreek: 84 caps
DHEA: 4.5grams

For the Letro it comes in 2.5mg tabs. would i be able to crush them and put them into a solution? Also, that dose seems really low?
 
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For the Letro it comes in 2.5mg tabs. would i be able to crush them and put them into a solution? Also, that dose seems really low?
That's all it takes. I use 0.1mg/d for every 400mg test cyp as my rule. I doubt you'll be kicking out the equivalent of that from the hCG. Just in case you do respond hard to the hCG though, I upped the letro higher than I would normally recommend. I know it sounds low, but it's very strong stuff and you don't want to flirt with a rebound from excessive doses. If you have the tabs, we can keep it simple and just say 1/2 tab ED the first wk and 1/2 tab EOD for the next 3 wks. It's still overkill, but probably not long enough to inspire a serious rebound.
 
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Hey Dr. D ,

I completed a supedrol cycle(20 days) two weeks ago and am doing pct. For pct im taking novadex xt by gaspari nutrition, the first week 5 caps a night, this week im taking 4 , next week 3 , I take them before bedtime so would this be the best approach ?

or do you advise to split them up thoughout the day?

Novedex XT.One capsule=
Proprietary Blend 60 mgs
[ 6,17-keto-etiocholeve-3-ol tetrahydropyranol],
[ 3,17-keto-etiochol-triene],
[3,5,7-trihydroxy-4'-methoxyflavone]
 
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Smeton_yea,

I'd take them all at night for PCT/test recovery. I must admit, I have never used his product before, however. I'd split them up throughout the day if I was going for an anti-e effect while on cycle instead of a PCT effect post cycle. So your plan looks good to me.
 

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OK, Its been a while but with the Holidays and everything I am about to start everything. I have everything and im ready to go. I just have a quick Q. about the hCG. I have 4 5000iu amps and 4 1ml Waters. What would be the best way to use these?
Should i put 3000iu in one needle then the other 2000iu and put that in another and put it in the fridge till next week? Also, right now i only have 3ml syringes is that going to be too big since im using such a small amount of water? Thanks
 
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****! Yeah, you can store a loaded syringe in a zip-lock in the frig for a day to 2, but I don't like to do it. The plunger usually sticks and sterility becomes questionable. Order some 10ml, caps vial from GPZ and get some 29-30g, 100u insulin syringes too. They always ship fast and can be there by Wednesday probably. You have just enough hCG to follow the original protocol.
 

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Ok so im going to order 4 10ml vials and some insulin syringes. Should i get some extra bac. water while im at it? Also, how does GPZ show up on your C.C statement? Thanks so much Dr. D
 
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Just kidding bro.:)

It shows up as "GPZ sevices, Clearwater FLA."

Not so bad.
 
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...Should i get some extra bac. water while im at it? ...
I always end up getting more that just what I came for :D But, yeah, you'll need more water that what came with the hCG.
 

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Not to hijack the thread, but what are the advantages of using toremifen over tamoxifen??
 
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Not to hijack the thread, but what are the advantages of using toremifen over tamoxifen??
It's qualitatively stronger and not as hepatotoxic. It also starts to work very quickly.
 

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Ok...I have 5 10ml vials and 35ml of extra water. What would be the best way to use these with my amps? How long can you store HCG for? Also, I ended up just getting Letro from a research site so i can follow the original dosage you had planned.
 

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@DR D. fareston is toremifene right ? How would you compare all the SERMs (raloxifene, tamoxifen, clomiphene, toremifene), in term of advantages and drawbacks ? And what about testolactone ? I've looked for some toremifene online, and it seems to be expensive as hell ($100 for 30 tabs @ 60mg )
 
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Ok...I have 5 10ml vials and 35ml of extra water. What would be the best way to use these with my amps? How long can you store HCG for? Also, I ended up just getting Letro from a research site so i can follow the original dosage you had planned.
OK, dissolve the powder from 3 amps w/ 1ml bac water. Then deposit all 3ml in a 10ml vial. Add another 1ml bac water to each amp to get all the residue and add those 3ml to the other 3ml in the vial already. Save one of the amps for now, you may or may not need it. You have a total of 6ml hCG solution @ 2500iu's/ml. It will last in the frig ~60days once in solution. Here's some changes to the original protocol to make it more user friendly:

wk1: hCG 2000iu (80 units) Mon/Wed/Fri, Letro 1.0mg/d
wk2: hCG 1500iu (60 units) M/W/F, Letro 0.5mg/d, Fen 4caps/n
wk3: hCG 1000iu (40 units) M/W/F, Letro 0.25mg/d, Fen 5caps/n
wk4: hCG 500iu (20 units) M/W/F, Letro 0.25mg EOD, Fen 6caps/n, Clomid 150mg/n
wk5: Clomid 100mg/n, RXT 50mg/d, Trib 6 caps/n, DHEA 100mg 2x/d
wk6: Clomid 50mg/n, Nolva 40mg/n, RXT 50mg/d, Trib 8 caps/n, DHEA 100mg 2x/d
wk7: Nolva 40mg/n, RXT 75mg/d, Trib 10 caps/n, DHEA 100mg/d
wk8: Nolva 20mg/n, RXT 75mg/d, Fenugreek 4 caps/n, DHEA 100mg/d
wk9: Fenugreek 5 caps/n, RXT 50mg, DHEA 50mg/d
wk10: Fenugreek 6 caps/n, RXT 25mg/d

Let's play it by ear after you get a few weeks into it, we can raise or lower doses or employ the extra amp once we see how your responding.
 
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@DR D. fareston is toremifene right ? How would you compare all the SERMs (raloxifene, tamoxifen, clomiphene, toremifene), in term of advantages and drawbacks ? And what about testolactone ? I've looked for some toremifene online, and it seems to be expensive as hell ($100 for 30 tabs @ 60mg )
Right, Tor is Fareston brand.

Raloxifene- Good for gyno and OK for PCT. High doses needed (120-240mg/d). Relatively short half-life and very non toxic. If an on cycle SERM is needed, this is the best choice. Libido and mood friendly. Good for long term use, but it's not cheap.

Tamoxifen- Good for gyno and good for PCT. 20-60mg is the average range and so it's very economical. It is the most toxic, so it should be reserved for serious gyno and short term use in the second half of PCT. Good, long half-life. Bad for libido and moderate on mood. Can promote cataracts, liver damage and thromboembolic issues.

Clomiphene- OK for gyno and very good for PCT. It takes around 50-150mg to be effective and has a long half-life. Toxicity is moderate, so it's not best for long term use (past a few months). Works for gyno as well as Nolva, but takes longer. Restores suppressed HPTA faster than Nolva. Good on libido but can be terrible on mood. It's usually the cheapest SERM you can find these days. Can cause visual problems and elevated liver enzymes.

Toremifene- Suppose to be good for gyno (never tried personally for this) and works great for PCT. Very fast testicular response with 60-120mg. Liver toxicity is negligible and the compound "feels" very clean on mood too. Libido is markedly enhanced initially, and the half-life is long. I love this SERM the most! Good stuff, but expensive with no good research sources that I am aware of.

Testolactone- This is an AI (not a SERM like the rest you mentioned). I like it as an on cycle estrogen controller, but it can be used as a bridge for PCTs too because it does raise test levels plus it has some anabolic activity of it's own. 250mg/d is the minimum effective dose and 500mg works much better. Half-life is short so dosing around 3-4x/day is required orally. Rebound is not an issue. In fact, protracted reduction of estrogen levels once therapy ends is often noted. It's hard to find and very expensive too, so RXT is the better option these days IMO.
 

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Is there an optimal time to take HCG or letro? Just curious since you have said to take clomid and others at nite. Thanks. Feeling good so far.
 
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Right, Tor is Fareston brand.

Raloxifene- Good for gyno and OK for PCT. High doses needed (120-240mg/d). Relatively short half-life and very non toxic. If an on cycle SERM is needed, this is the best choice. Libido and mood friendly. Good for long term use, but it's not cheap.

Tamoxifen- Good for gyno and good for PCT. 20-60mg is the average range and so it's very economical. It is the most toxic, so it should be reserved for serious gyno and short term use in the second half of PCT. Good, long half-life. Bad for libido and moderate on mood. Can promote cataracts, liver damage and thromboembolic issues.

Clomiphene- OK for gyno and very good for PCT. It takes around 50-150mg to be effective and has a long half-life. Toxicity is moderate, so it's not best for long term use (past a few months). Works for gyno as well as Nolva, but takes longer. Restores suppressed HPTA faster than Nolva. Good on libido but can be terrible on mood. It's usually the cheapest SERM you can find these days. Can cause visual problems and elevated liver enzymes.

Toremifene- Suppose to be good for gyno (never tried personally for this) and works great for PCT. Very fast testicular response with 60-120mg. Liver toxicity is negligible and the compound "feels" very clean on mood too. Libido is markedly enhanced initially, and the half-life is long. I love this SERM the most! Good stuff, but expensive with no good research sources that I am aware of.

Testolactone- This is an AI (not a SERM like the rest you mentioned). I like it as an on cycle estrogen controller, but it can be used as a bridge for PCTs too because it does raise test levels plus it has some anabolic activity of it's own. 250mg/d is the minimum effective dose and 500mg works much better. Half-life is short so dosing around 3-4x/day is required orally. Rebound is not an issue. In fact, protracted reduction of estrogen levels once therapy ends is often noted. It's hard to find and very expensive too, so RXT is the better option these days IMO.
This is a great post bro, one of the most informative that I have seen. If I could rep you I would.
 
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Is there an optimal time to take HCG or letro? Just curious since you have said to take clomid and others at nite. Thanks. Feeling good so far.
I usually do the hCG it at night and letro in the morning, just out of convenience. You reach steady state within a wk for all practical purposes, so it really doesn't matter. Try to deliver sub cutaneous shots, but with the higher volumes (> 40 units) that can be problematic, so IM is cool in the first few wks. Keep me posted so we can monitor your progress and consider dosing changes as needed. Sounds good so far!
 

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any idea what negative effects 6 days of prednisone at 30-40mg/day would have taken in the 3rd week of PCT consisting of 50mg/day of clomid. any precautions to take or suggestions.
 
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Weeenisss, not too negative for only 6 days, but the dose is moderate. I'd take some LX and keep cals high since an anabolic is out of the question during PCT.
 

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I usually do the hCG it at night and letro in the morning, just out of convenience. You reach steady state within a wk for all practical purposes, so it really doesn't matter. Try to deliver sub cutaneous shots, but with the higher volumes (> 40 units) that can be problematic, so IM is cool in the first few wks. Keep me posted so we can monitor your progress and consider dosing changes as needed. Sounds good so far!
Yeah i have been doing Sub shots. I have been taking the letro at the same time as the hCG i i will start spreading them out. Anything specific i should try and pay attention to in order to see if we need any changes? Thanks alot.
 

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Im currently going through the same problems as you had after coming of a course of AAS. Can you tell me whether you have made a full recovery yet? Im being tested for HRT at the moment but keep running PCT in the hope that my natural test levels will be restored to former glory. I would be interested to now how long it took to restore things and whether you had to aleviate from Dr D's advice. Thanks.
 

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Am I PartyBoy lol? Today is my 3rd shot of HCG and im not even done with week 1 of a 10 week recovery. So no i have not made a recovery yet. I will keep everyone posted tho.
 
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Yeah i have been doing Sub shots. I have been taking the letro at the same time as the hCG i i will start spreading them out. Anything specific i should try and pay attention to in order to see if we need any changes? Thanks alot.
Watch for general, systemic hives (or any weird allergic reactions), acne, nipple soarness. If so, the letro needs to be increased. I doubt you will respond that hard from the sounds of it though.

Testicular pain may develop when they really start to turn back on again, and they will become larger mid-morning and throughout the day (but probably get small once more at night). That means it's starting to work. Plus, the testicles will start to elongate and feel hard to the touch. That's a normal intermediate phase.
 

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Sorry Sabagoy. I have set up a smiliar post in the on a website called www.muscletalk.co.uk - its the UK version of this site, u might find some of the stuff on their useful. There are different cases similar to ours. All ive read about have made a full recovery. I have been doing small shots of HCG 500 iu E/D for 14 days along with Nolva and Clomid. I am now going to try shots of HCG 1500 iu every 3 days for two weeks as this has worked in the past.
 

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Weeenisss, not too negative for only 6 days, but the dose is moderate. I'd take some LX and keep cals high since an anabolic is out of the question during PCT.
actually i noticed it cleared my skin up quite nicely, i ended up losing 5lbs while on it even though my appetite was insane, but i really didnt lose much strength(down maybe 5-10lbs on max lifts-normal for pct anyways) my only concern now is that it suppresses your immune system so im worried about any near future endeavors and the increased risk of infection, not sure if i was on long enough to have to worry about that or not.
 
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actually i noticed it cleared my skin up quite nicely, i ended up losing 5lbs while on it even though my appetite was insane, but i really didnt lose much strength(down maybe 5-10lbs on max lifts-normal for pct anyways) my only concern now is that it suppresses your immune system so im worried about any near future endeavors and the increased risk of infection, not sure if i was on long enough to have to worry about that or not.
You'll be fine. The immune suppression is not long standing, unless you were on long enough to get an adrenal rebound.
 

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Nuts are increasing in size just like you said they would esp. in the morning. Kinda feels like a very mild case of blue balls. LOL. Kinda swollen and a little sensitive. Things seem to be going well tho. My right nipple is a little tender. I had a gyno problem in there before. Should i keep the letro dose at 1 insted of lowering it to the .5? Thanks D.
 
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OK, sounds pretty good so far, but that sux about the nip though! You are responding faster that I though you would for being so shut-down. Do you have any Rebound/ATD? If not, increase the letro to 2mg/d. You can't let gyno get started this early into treatment or it could ruin the whole plan. If the increased letro dose doesn't fix the nip tenderness in the next few days, we may need to lower your hCG doses or start the SERM early. Also, taking ibuprofen 200mg 3x/d would not be a bad idea until the nip feels flat again. Plus, try to avoid caffeine if you can and take extra Vitamin C everyday if you have some.
 

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