Libido lost big, need major help, and quick!
- 02-09-2010, 11:15 PM
Libido lost big, need major help, and quick!
So i did my first ever pro-hormone cycle. Everything was awesome before i did it, could get it up whenever, libido was awesome, was always ready to get it on. Then i took SSL (Synthetic Science Labs) Tren Xtreme 2 and on top of that took the pre workout pro hormone Super-NOX. The tren i took recently got banned, i got both right over the counter though. Gains were real solid, around 15 solid pounds i put on. took the tren for exactly 4 weeks. everything was going just fine while on it, i mean a week before i stopped the tren cycle i was good to go. then i took the super nox for 5 weeks. I started my post cycle treatment by taking the product DRIVE by reaction nutrition which is said to reduce estrogen while increasing test. lvls obviously. but im just finishin up my 4 weeks of it and still nothing... like i just feel dead, testicles are even soar sometimes, ED problems, can sometimes get it up sometimes cant, goes soft easily, just frustrating now because im dieing to get back to the way it was before. Do you think getting on Stoked for a month even after pct would work??? Really just trying to find anything that will get me back to the way i was before. About to call the doc and see if he cant prescribe me anything to get me going.
Thanks for any help, dober.
- 02-09-2010, 11:53 PM
read this http://www.postcycletherapy.com/ and make up your own mind. Something that you should had read before starting a cycle. or search around the forum. that question about cycles with no proper pct has been answer plenty of times.
- 02-10-2010, 06:36 AM
very inadequate PCT. research here, come up with a real plan, post it and we'll offer input.
02-10-2010, 07:20 AM
Why, why do people buy PH's, then swallow pills, and ask questions later without doing any kind of research first..??
You're f v ckin around with your body, which is nothing to take lightly!
02-10-2010, 07:52 AM
Stacking multiple PH's no less.
Do some reading dude, but do it quickly. If you'd done any reading to this point you'd know that tren will shut you down pretty hard and you need to run proper PCT to get 'the boys back in town' in short order following your cycle.
Not to mention the fact that if you don't get a wriggle on you're going to find you probably lose everything you gained on the cycle.
02-10-2010, 09:42 AM
I had a similar experience with teen. My issue was that I relied on twinlabs brand of a product as part of the pct. Ended up using vitrix and it made the difference. Always research before not after.
02-10-2010, 10:17 AM
well i assume its not too late to get this stuff fixed tho am i correct? where i bought from said it would be a solid pct and everything would be fine but obviously they ****d me over pretty much. i was wondering if any of you guys would have a solid pct then to recommend for me and could hook me up with one because i honestly do not know where to get the stuff... I'm goin to talk to the doc today to and see wha he has to say. Just dieing to get everything back up and goin asap
02-10-2010, 12:29 PM
Would i be good if i used tribulus or rebound xt with nolvadex using proper dosage?? would those two you think do the job?? Not exactly sure how to get my hands on these....
02-10-2010, 12:48 PM
02-10-2010, 01:00 PM
sorry didnt mean it like that. was just lookin for advice and was seein if that would be a reasonable buy on those...
02-10-2010, 02:51 PM
so guys i know i messed the pct pretty bad obviously from statements.. would you say safest bed would on some nolva 10 mg for 4 weeks? then on top of that this link for some test. boost. from another blog but couldnt post it cause my posts arent high enough. but its suppose to raise levels, fill up the boys the whole shin dig, bout $115.00. Here's the info on it;
TESTOSTERONE RECOVERY STACK
Supplement stack for maximum Testosterone stimulation
Sustain Alpha surges LH & FSH levels to increase low testosterone
Toco-8 sensitizes the testes to the effects of LH & FSH
EndoAmp Max amplifies testosterone and growth hormone
A legal & natural Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) alternative
Save $15.90 when you purchase this stack
Maybe some milk thistle keep everything well?
just throwing things out there to see responses, this one seemed pretty solid though, please let me know asap what you think...
02-10-2010, 03:05 PM
listen bro, stop resorting to a pill to help you out, you should have finished your PCT supplement, and then leave your body alone, let it naturally "awaken" ive used the trifecta stack and ended with one bottle of Formadol, after my pct was through i felt alittle drained for about 2 weeks then my body started acting normal again.
02-10-2010, 04:55 PM
02-10-2010, 07:16 PM
-take 20 mg of nolva everyday for 4 weeks straight?
-then on top of that the TRS from PP as they say to take it..
-Then liver support?
That sound like a fair month to get everything back up and going again???
thanks for the help, much appreciated.
02-10-2010, 09:41 PM
Were you aware that Super Nox has superdrol in it? Thats probably what shut you down hard. Your deff gonna need a serm. Id say clomid.
02-10-2010, 10:16 PM
wouldnt nolvadex do the same thing though?
02-10-2010, 10:23 PM
02-10-2010, 10:24 PM
Yeah it'll do the same thing more or less.
02-11-2010, 06:43 PM
think that should get the libido up then even after a different pct then?
02-11-2010, 07:49 PM
02-11-2010, 10:25 PM
so you guys think once i take this stuff for a month, maybe wait a couple months since i messed this one up kind of, id be safe to go on another cycle PROPERLY this time?? prolly wait a little bit before though just to be safe and get everything good again. thanks for all the advice.
02-11-2010, 10:27 PM
02-11-2010, 10:47 PM
you have alot to learn. do a proper pct and then throw away anything related to prohormones, untill you learn and dont have to make this kind of questions.
02-12-2010, 02:29 AM
02-12-2010, 02:30 AM
02-12-2010, 11:16 AM
But, hopefully within these 6+ months you will use this website for the vast amount of info and knowledge you can gain from it. Then hopefully you'll be prepared for a better cycle and proper pct in the near furture.
Now, go research and get reading mister
02-12-2010, 12:43 PM
Since you didn't do a proper PCT for one of the most suppressive stacks that you can possibly run "OTC", you are going to be shutdown for a while. Even with the proper PCT used too late, which you should still do unless you want gyno + an even slower recovery, this isn't a pretty scenario. But the bright side is that you have plenty of time to pass in which you can do nothing but osmosize all the relevant info that you can.
You did seem to learn one important lesson. Don't listen to the moron at GNC who sold you the crap. He said it would work for PCT b/c they don't have anything in stock that actually works well in that regard, but they have to sell you something.
If libidio is your chief concern, the sustain alpha will help. If that is not enough, you can try adding a tribulus product like Vitrix (may or may not help with libido, but it has no other function than that-it will not speed up your HPTA recovery). All of this may or may not help, but its worth a shot if getting a boner is your primary goal. I'd be more concerned about my general health, the risk of gyno, and a number of other things, but that's just me.
Wait a sec, let me make sure I understand your post b/c it sounds even worse than I thought (please clarify):
(1) Are you saying that you ran Tren Xtreme for 4 weeks, and THEN ran superdrol for 5 weeks!? A 9 week cycle or am I misreading your post? That would be a 4 week tren to 5 week superdrol bridge. Not even sure that has been done before, which would make you an unfortunate pioneer if so. If this is the case, deep down, I am crying for you. Even if you ran them concurrently (at the same time), that is still a hellacious stack, but running a consecutive bridge is actually worse in terms of how shutdown you are going to be. You really need HCG injects + an RX AI if you ran this setup for 9 weeks.So i did my first ever pro-hormone cycle...Then i took SSL (Synthetic Science Labs) Tren Xtreme 2 and on top of that took the pre workout pro hormone Super-NOX... took the tren for exactly 4 weeks. everything was going just fine while on it, i mean a week before i stopped the tren cycle i was good to go. then i took the super nox for 5 weeks. I started my post cycle treatment...
(2) SSL Tren Xtreme has 50mg of "tren" per tablet; how many tablets a day did you take? If you took 3 a day, that is 150mg/day for 4 weeks (A LOT).
(3) Super-Nox has to be one of the most irresponsible, stupid products ever conceived. Here is an illustration: If the supp industry is a toilet (debatable), then this product is that black, moldy ring that forms in the bowl just above the water. This is so ****ed up, I don't even know where to begin. Let's start with the label, shall we?
A PWO (pre-work out) product with 20mg of superdrol per scoop.SUPER NOX by Americeutical. 40 Servings!
Strongest Training Formula on the Market!
Contains Powerful Pre-Workout Intensifiers with a Full Dose of Anabolic ProHormone.
Its Like Taking NO Explode and Superdrol in One Product but much STRONGER!! SUPER NOX has a complex of the highest quality ingredients including the ProHormone 2a,17a di-methyl-5a-androst-3-one, 17b-ol, (known as SUPERDROL)a Power Blend with patented KRE-ALKALYN, AAKG, L-Taurine, L-Histidine. The Energy Matrix L-Tyrosine, Methylxanthines (caffeine), and Ginko Biloba Extract. Recovery Complex with Vitamin C, ALA, Vitamin E and L-Glutamine. Replenishing formula for faster gains. All combined in a Transport System for complete and effective delivery to your muscles. Super NOX DOES IT ALL! Fast Muscle Gain, Increased Strength and Power, Super Pumps and Energy during Workouts, Complete and Quick Recovery. SuperNOX is the Product You Looking For!
Directions: Take 1 scoop with 8-12 oz of water 30-40 minutes prior to training not to exceed 5 time per week. After 12 weeks of use, take 4 weeks off before resuming use.
Prohormone Compound: 2a, 17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one, 17b-ol 20mg
Cycle it for 12 weeks on and 4 weeks off.
A PWO formula with any prohormones (correction: AAS) in it at all.
A PWO formula with superdrol and ginko biloba in it.
02-12-2010, 02:49 PM
hahaha i want to see his bloodwork xD
02-12-2010, 02:51 PM
02-12-2010, 03:41 PM
I did read that right didn't I? 10 weeks of two different ph's......... wow
edit: ok I see the post above that would have been crazy
02-12-2010, 04:39 PM
02-12-2010, 05:19 PM
And yeah, the guy at GNC would probably sell his mom to you if you would buy her. They are kind of like used car salesmen mixed with whores. Actually, they aren't all bad, but only a few of them know very much other than how to sell you a bunch of $hit and send you on your way. Even the ones that know a fair amount will often still try to sell you a bunch of garbage.
I called a guy out at GNC years ago (when I actually went there) when he tried to sell me a GNC-brand weight gainer that had 104g of simple sugars per serving. No $hit you'll gain weight-it's called mid-section lard! He gave a nervous chuckle and pointed me to a Muscle Milk or CytoLean weight gainer sans 1/4lb of sugar per serving. I'd just eat gummy bears if I needed 100g of sugar in me; they taste better.
I went to one recently bc it was near where I was (on foot after a doctor visit-shopping mall) out of curiousity. The guy inside new nada; I was not surprisingly running circles around him with my questions. I ended up buying a multi-vitamin b/c I was out and waiting for a good one to come in the mail. I got the one he recommended b/c "it's got more stuff in it".
Enough rambling about supp store guys; they are there to sell products, not keep you healthy. The latter burden falls solely on you (and all of us).
02-13-2010, 12:22 AM
Can Inhibi-E (ATD) be used as an alternative to clomid/nolva?
sorry for the questions... just seeing different options tell my TRS gets in...
02-13-2010, 01:09 AM
Ouch... 4 weeks of Tren, followed by 5 weeks of Superdrol.
I'm not surprised you're shutdown.
Clomid will help. Other then that, I'd recommend Animal Stak (it will naturally boost tests and it has a weak, natural AI). It's going to take you several weeks, to a few months in order to get back to where you were before.
So until then, I recommend getting yourself some Maca or a PD5 inhibitor (e.g. cialis) to help with the ED issues temporarily.
Don't touch ProHormones or AAS in the future until you are fully aware of what you are taking, and how to take it. For now, be patient and let your body recover.
02-13-2010, 04:49 PM
I think ATD is garbage, but opinions vary widely.
Since your chief concern is libido, why haven't you just gotten some viagra or cialis?
You've waiting ages to do a PCT, what is a few more days to wait on the TRS and do some more reading?
If I were you, I would do some reading at PP's forum (primordial perf), specifically the Official PCT Thread so you will know how to use the TRS when it gets in and how to incorporate a SERM such as clomid properly if you so choose (it is all spelled out on page 1 of the thread).
02-14-2010, 06:13 PM
02-15-2010, 02:49 AM
You need this:
and maybe something like Post Cycle Support or DTP at a lower dose.
Clomid and SA are probably enough tho and should bring everything back to normal in about 2-3 weeks. Take somewhere between 50-100mg/day of Clomid for 4 weeks and SA as directed. If you go with DTP as well take the lower side of the dose since the higher dosages tend to thwart libido a little bit. You'll be fine eventually if you do this..my .02
OR you could start the Clomid @ 25mg/day as PP suggests and asses tolerance..either way you need Clomid and SA.
For what its worth PP's TRS actually gave me "wet dreams" for the first time in about 4-5 years so I'd have to say at least to some degree it works!
02-15-2010, 03:41 PM
Alright I should be getting my clomid by the end of the week and the TRS wed or thur and some milk thistle. Will start it up asap. Not really certain how i should go about the clomid tho, have heard like 5232 different situations. Was thinking 70/50/25/25? and is that every day or just M-F?? Anybody, please offer opinions, just wanna get this right and get going on w/ my damn life and not worrying about this shyat haha.
02-15-2010, 11:23 PM
02-16-2010, 12:06 AM
try a nice testeroterone booster any should do, i had a pretty big sex drive while on sustain alpha.
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