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[kwyckemynd00]

Not good if you're a palestinian extremist or the lebonese.

Otherwise, its got its upside.

[meowmeow]

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

Not good if you're a palestinian extremist or the lebonese.

Or a palestinian child (at least 24 Palestinians dead. These included seven children) or Lebanese civilian (at least 22 civilians were reported killed) or anyone who flys into Beruit int'l airport (warplanes struck the runways of Beirut's international airport...Two flights arriving at the airport had to return to Larnaca Airport) or an Israeli civilian who is in the wrong place when retaliation is sure to come or for a free Lebanese state that does not want to see the Syrians and others come back and fight proxy wars on their soil...

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

Otherwise, its got its upside.

Yeah...great point! (for a 23 year old kid that is)

[kwyckemynd00]

Well...sending missilies into Israeli civilian populations is just asking for trouble.

I spent my time reading on the conflict between Israel and its arab neighbors and although there are some dispicable things Israel has done, most of their actions are justified and necessary.

Its obvious diplomacy doesn't work with some people and only unrealistically idealistic "progressives" believe all problems can be solved through diplomacy.

Its sad, but its human nature. Those in control are willing to sacrifice (and manipulate) the poor, stupid populace to attain a goal and the stupid populace will grab onto any ideology based on a strong foundation (religion) and defend it with vigor so long as there is a breath in their body.

[meowmeow]

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

...most of their actions are justified and necessary.

Doesn't this depend on whose ox is being gored?

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

Its obvious diplomacy doesn't work with some people...

Be careful there you might be mistaken for a racist.

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

Its sad, but its human nature. Those in control are willing to sacrifice (and manipulate) the poor, stupid populace to attain a goal and the stupid populace will grab onto any ideology based on a strong foundation (religion) and defend it with vigor so long as there is a breath in their body.

Sounds like you are talking about the United States' Establishment and the 99% of the population they rule. Of course it could very well be the Israeli Establishment, the 99.5% of the population they rule and those propaganized minds resident elsewhere who think they have a connection to the homeland.

[MaynardMeek]

Why does the left always throw out the race card when something that is said, is true, and they cannot belly up and say that it is true... so.. he must be a racist!.... no!

Truth is truth, and just as the Japanese were going to fight to the last child in( and they were training children to guide the cherry blossom planes into targets) world war 2 due to their honor code, the same mindset exsists inside islam. One can never ever ever surrender or make peace with those who do not hold true the teachings of their god. When you have a nation or a people like that, that refuse to live in a peace after a generations worth of talking it out, you must, for the sake of lives on a long term scale, wipe them out in such numbers that their will and the mindset is gone by prolonged military force or two nuclear bombs.

The information is wrong about who makes up our military. Check out the demographics. We have just as many middle class and 90210 zip code residence serving in this optional military as our "poor". It boggles my mind that people can call our military troops "stupid" as you implied . These stupid men and women operate the most impressive aspects of war and peace ever seen in the world. These stupid people keep you safe to make these ignorant comments about them.

It saddens me to see Americans falling under the new banner that hates this nation. If you hate it.. leave, there is nothing stopping you to move to another country. American people love our brave military. American people know that we cannot exsist without them. American people do not need the new york times, or overspoken political figures. The American people know that they need the military.

It makes me happy that people that share this view are found on message boards and blogs. If we had people like this controlling our nation's direction... we would surrender to canada and return texas to mexico. Maybe we would feel bad and ask England to come back....

[WATERLOGGED]

well said brutha !

[kwyckemynd00]

Originally Posted by meowmeow

Doesn't this depend on whose ox is being gored?

No...I don't give a crap about the Israeli's and my experience with american israeli's has not been any different than american arabs, so I have no reason to pick favorites. I think you should be asking yourself the same question.

Be careful there you might be mistaken for a racist.

I think this is very telling about "you", not me. Diplomacy isn't working with "many" (not all) middle eastern parties, north korea, and it didn't work well with imperialist japan or communist russia. Now that I think about it...diplomacy doesn't work very often when you get, period.

You're just overly-sensitive, assuming everyone is racist if they say something that's not PC. There is a difference between realism and racism, get over it.

Sounds like you are talking about the United States' Establishment and the 99% of the population they rule. Of course it could very well be the Israeli Establishment, the 99.5% of the population they rule and those propaganized minds resident elsewhere who think they have a connection to the homeland.

I said "human nature" didnt I? there you go again, ASSuming I'm talking about "one people". Get over it.

Right now America is divided because there is no one strong voice and people are grabbing for different ideals they have no idea about. this does not mean that other ideals are not more dangerous than others and that some people are not dim-whits and can think for themselves.

This is pretty typical. I should have expected it. say something that most leftists / pro palestinian's dont like and they spew back "you're racist" and other stupid crap.

[mp5man1]

Originally Posted by WATERLOGGED

well said brutha !

Absodamnlutly

[meowmeow]

Originally Posted by MaynardMeek

It boggles my mind that people can call our military troops "stupid" as you implied . These stupid men and women operate the most impressive aspects of war and peace ever seen in the world. These stupid people keep you safe to make these ignorant comments about them.

No NO NO! I did not denegrate the fine young men and women serving in our armed forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. My brother in fact is serving in Iraq today and in Afghanistan previously. Why did you choose to read that in my post?

I was refering to the elite, or the higher circles or the establishment of interests that run this country (IMO there does exist an Establishment which controls most of the wealth. Government was created for and serves the purpose of profiting the Establishment and advancing their interests). This should not be mind-boggling to you. Establishments exist in every country.

Originally Posted by MaynardMeek

If you hate it.. leave, there is nothing stopping you to move to another country.

I am actually one of the few that profits handsomely from exactly the set-up we have in this country. Hate it...LOL...I love it!!!!

[meowmeow]

kwyckemynd00 I apologize for misinterpreting your remarks. You are correct I did over-react in implying that you are capable of favoring one race over another. Please just forget my implication toward you in that regard, it was typed in haste and in hindsight I regret having typed it.

Taking into consideration the many posts that I have read from you on this board I believe you are an intelligent young gentleman and apologize for any off-the-cuff remark that seemed to imply that your opinions had been informed by anything less than a well learned considered mind.

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

This is pretty typical. I should have expected it. say something that most leftists / pro palestinian's dont like and they spew back "you're racist" and other stupid crap.

You and others are mistaken. I am not a leftist. I am not pro-palestinian. You choose to misinterpret my point of view and give me a pejorative label. Concerning your opinion that my view-point is "stupid crap" I choose to only smile.

[kwyckemynd00]

Well...let bygones be bygones I suppose

[meowmeow]

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

Well...let bygones be bygones I suppose

Sounds good to me.

[krenalor]

Actually don't blame Americans at all for this mess. Europe created it when they drew country borders with no consideration that now a country was created with groups that hated each other. It's easy to draw a line on a natural obstacle and call it a border, but several mideast countries were created with groups in cinflict with each other for centuries.
Europe sent their Jewish population to Isreal because they would up and decide now and then to murder them. So the same whiners in Europe that started this crap now bash the US for things Europe created.
Oh yea, now that the Jews are in the Middle East we can get the Arabs to kill them and get oil and keep our trouble making Arab minority happy.

[bioman]

Re: ME borders...

Watch the last half hour of Lawrence of Arabia..it pretty much highlights where things started to head downhill.

Been goin down ever since. Weeeeeeee!

[oswizzle]

Israel's Govt is whack....so is ours for being the only country in the U.N to veto a resolution that said the Jews were using too much force...so the U.S is saying its ok too attack and kill 60 people so far over 2 soldiers in Lebanon....People in the U.S need to quit watching Fox News and wake up to the fact that our support for Israel is never going to benefit us in anyway...and it just wasnt the British involved in the sending the Jews to Palestine....its our fundamentalist Christian Leaders who believe that the Jews belong in Palestine according to the Bible...So I guess if a Crip or a Blood from Compton kill two Police Officers we'll just send in the U.S Millitary to Bomb the Hood to ruble and ash..

[kwyckemynd00]

Originally Posted by oswizzle

Israel's Govt is whack....so is ours for being the only country in the U.N to veto a resolution that said the Jews were using too much force...so the U.S is saying its ok too attack and kill 60 people so far over 2 soldiers in Lebanon....People in the U.S need to quit watching Fox News and wake up to the fact that our support for Israel is never going to benefit us in anyway...and it just wasnt the British involved in the sending the Jews to Palestine....its our fundamentalist Christian Leaders who believe that the Jews belong in Palestine according to the Bible...So I guess if a Crip or a Blood from Compton kill two Police Officers we'll just send in the U.S Millitary to Bomb the Hood to ruble and ash..

The UN is the successor of the League of Nations. Both of which are useless and impotent organizations. Look at what good the LON did during WWII. If you wait for the UN to make a move that is good for humanity, you'll be waiting for a long time. In hitlers words, they'll probably just perform another one of their famous "sitzkreig's" (sits-kreig) the next time they are faced with a dangerous foe.

This wasn't about "two kidnappings". that was a straw that broke the camel's back. This is about the fact that the "supposed" problem and the cause for all of the attackigns was the "illegal occupation", by israel, of such places as gaza and lebanon. Well, israel left lebanon years ago adn gave back gaza, forcing its own citizens out of their homes. The result, NOT ONE DAY have the bombing and violence stopped. It has continued and the death of their citizens has continued despite generous movements by the Israelis. This proves that the Islamic fundamentalists in that area, which are obviously numberous, wish to destroy israel and there is no legitimate reason for their actions. So, Israel is doing what it must to survive, period.

Think past the drool on your chin and quit listening to the morons in the LA and NY times who are nothing but dellusional communists with a utopian dream and a hate for all things western and democratic.