Islamist group set to take over Palestinian gov't

[MaynardMeek]

Hamas has taken control, via a legal and fair election over the Palestinian government. I think this is actually the best thing to happen to the peace process. The previous governments signature for peace wasn't worth its weight in ink... but hamas always seemed to uphold their promises......

[Bean]

I see it as terrible. Hamas is teeming with Iranian influence. Hamas never upheld any promises except terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians and military. Even in their "laws" it states its purpose is for the destruction of Israel.

You can't make peace with something like that. Sharon's government even negotiated with them steadily and even pulled out of some of the territory (forcibly withdrawing its own citizens). Now members of Hamas and other Islamic extremist groups call them "weak".

Maybe Netenyahu was correct. And may whatever "god" these Muslims worship (it certainly isnt MINE, my God doesnt condone violence in His name) have mercy on their souls... because if Netanyahu's government comes back, the chances of Palestine becoming a state will be nearly ZERO.... and they won't be taking **** from Iran.

I really like the Israeli government. Everyone is ex-military. You are required to serve one term at least. It definitely brings a "no bull****" perspective on things. And I will be the first to applaud them if they make a unilateral decision to beat Iran down like a red-headed stepchild.

[kwyckemynd00]

Well, now we know what the palestinian people "really" want. I coulda told you that a long ass time ago, however.

I think this is GREAT. We need RAPID advancement of fundamentalist crazies, we need them taking control of governments, and coordinating more disasterous attacks.

Why you ask? Simple...because there is only barely enough cumulative intestinal fortitude amongst all of our western allies/friends/wimps combined to actually make something happen. And, in order to get our testosterone deprived leaders to act, we need them to be scared ****less.

If this is a long gradual process, I'm positive nothing effective will be done and it will be much more disasterous in the end.

[cable626]

And may whatever "god" these Muslims worship (it certainly isnt MINE, my God doesnt condone violence in His name) have mercy on their souls

hey bean, just so you know, my God doesn't condone violence either. It's the extremists--thats right, the .001% of the muslims in the world that are ******* extremists that give us a bad name. Please look around and realize that REAL Muslims like myself believe in Peace. We do not condone the violence, and we are victims of terrorism just like you unfortunately.

We don't consider these extremists to be Muslim. They are part of a cult that THINKS they are a part of Islam.

[Bean]

Well, now we know what the palestinian people "really" want. I coulda told you that a long ass time ago, however.

I think this is GREAT. We need RAPID advancement of fundamentalist crazies, we need them taking control of governments, and coordinating more disasterous attacks.

Why you ask? Simple...because there is only barely enough cumulative intestinal fortitude amongst all of our western allies/friends/wimps combined to actually make something happen. And, in order to get our testosterone deprived leaders to act, we need them to be scared ****less.

If this is a long gradual process, I'm positive nothing effective will be done and it will be much more disasterous in the end.

I agree. I am happy that it is happening honestly; I'm just saying its "terrible" for the current peace process

[Bean]

hey bean, just so you know, my God doesn't condone violence either. It's the extremists--thats right, the .001% of the muslims in the world that are ******* extremists that give us a bad name. Please look around and realize that REAL Muslims like myself believe in Peace. We do not condone the violence, and we are victims of terrorism just like you unfortunately.

We don't consider these extremists to be Muslim. They are part of a cult that THINKS they are a part of Islam.

Oh I definitely know this and I do agree I mean "these Muslims" as the extremists that run around making claims how they can be martyrs by killing themselves and innocents along with them.

I know quite a few Muslims of the more normal variety. And they are honest, hardworking, and good natured people.

[spitboy2000]

Gosh, that .001% of Muslims that are ashhole extremists and "misunderstand Islam" must be pretty shrewd to convince 60% of Palestinians to vote for Islamist terror group Hamas. That "tiny minority of extremists" just keeps getting bigger and bigger!

for more info go to jihadwatch.org

hey bean, just so you know, my God doesn't condone violence either. It's the extremists--thats right, the .001% of the muslims in the world that are ******* extremists that give us a bad name. Please look around and realize that REAL Muslims like myself believe in Peace. We do not condone the violence, and we are victims of terrorism just like you unfortunately.

We don't consider these extremists to be Muslim. They are part of a cult that THINKS they are a part of Islam.

[bpmartyr]

hey bean, just so you know, my God doesn't condone violence either. It's the extremists--thats right, the .001% of the muslims in the world that are ******* extremists that give us a bad name. Please look around and realize that REAL Muslims like myself believe in Peace. We do not condone the violence, and we are victims of terrorism just like you unfortunately.

We don't consider these extremists to be Muslim. They are part of a cult that THINKS they are a part of Islam.

Sounds like someone hasn't read their Koran. Doesn't condone violence? Please, the religion is based on conquest. Basic fundamental of Islam: convert, become a second class citizen, or die. Not saying that all Muslims believe this. There are many Christians and Jews that don't know crap about the tenents of their religion either. Doesn't mean that the God of the Bible doesn't condone violence just because someone doesn't believe it. Anyone remember what God told Saul to do to the Amalekites?

[kwyckemynd00]

Gosh, that .001% of Muslims that are ashhole extremists and "misunderstand Islam" must be pretty shrewd to convince 60% of Palestinians to vote for Islamist terror group Hamas. That "tiny minority of extremists" just keeps getting bigger and bigger!

for more info go to jihadwatch.org

Bump...exactly!

Not to say muslims are inherently violent, but you can't say its a vast minority of muslims because entire muslim populations are voting in terrorist organizations.

People seem to forget the videos of endless streets full of middle-eastern muslims dancing in the street after 9/11 handing out freggin' candy. I'll NEVER forget that, and I'll NEVER forget when an entire Mexican stadium was chanting Osama Bin Ladens' name after our team beat theirs in a game of soccer. Those are two things I'll never forget.

[Bean]

Sounds like someone hasn't read their Koran. Doesn't condone violence? Please, the religion is based on conquest. Basic fundamental of Islam: convert, become a second class citizen, or die. Not saying that all Muslims believe this. There are many Christians and Jews that don't know crap about the tenents of their religion either. Doesn't mean that the God of the Bible doesn't condone violence just because someone doesn't believe it. Anyone remember what God told Saul to do to the Amalekites?

While I can't comment on specifics of Islam. I can with your other comment. God of the OLD TESTAMENT told Saul to "take care" of the Amalekites. Have you read the book? I've read the entire thing in my youth several times. I'm no biblical scholar either, but I do know God of the NEW TESTAMENT, which is the fundamentals on which Christianity is based, doesnt condone violence at all.

I think there is a large amount of anti-Western Muslims out there. But I also believe the media that displays them dancing in the street is also selectively showing them to the world.
On the other hand, the problem I have with Islam currently, is that it has never condemned the misinformed education that the Muslim Clerics are bringing to each generation. Once you add a couple generations of problems in there, it gets REALLY bad.

[spitboy2000]

Why is it "selective" to show the Palestinians and other Muslims dancing in the streets after 9/11? What other people were dancing in the streets after such a terrorist attack? Why in the world wouldn't you show Muslims dancing in the street while the rest of the world grieves? Why in the world would you try to hide the truth -- that many Muslims felt joy on that terrible day?

photos are here

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=4030

By the way, where are this mythic "vast majority" of peaceful Muslims? If there are so many of these peaceful Muslims why do they not throw the "tiny minority of extremists" out of the mosques?

[cable626]

Why is it "selective" to show the Palestinians and other Muslims dancing in the streets after 9/11? What other people were dancing in the streets after such a terrorist attack? Why in the world wouldn't you show Muslims dancing in the street while the rest of the world grieves? Why in the world would you try to hide the truth -- that many Muslims felt joy on that terrible day?

photos are here

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=4030

By the way, where are this mythic "vast majority" of peaceful Muslims? If there are so many of these peaceful Muslims why do they not throw the "tiny minority of extremists" out of the mosques?

wow this thread got crazy real quick. The peaceful Muslims? Lets start with the 12 million that live in the US.

[cable626]

On the other hand, the problem I have with Islam currently, is that it has never condemned the misinformed education that the Muslim Clerics are bringing to each generation. Once you add a couple generations of problems in there, it gets REALLY bad.

Thats the MAIN problem right now, we need to get them out of here. Every real muslim website will take a "no tolerance" position to terrorism.

http://www.freemuslims.org/issues/terrorism.php
The main point of that website is:

There is no room for terrorism in the modern world and the United States should take a no-tolerance stance on terrorism in order to avoid another tragedy, along the lines of 9-11.

No holy war [jihad] needs to be waged; there is no clear and present threat to Islam; the only war that needs to be waged in the modern world is one against terrorists and extremists.

[cable626]

Basic fundamental of Islam: convert, become a second class citizen, or die. Not saying that all Muslims believe this.

Maybe Islam 1400 years ago.

And yes, I do agree that I don't know everything, but I am trying to lead a holy life so I try to learn as much as I can and take classes in school. I'm only 19, and don't know as much as I would like to. I appreciate everyone's input, and I hope there are no hard feelings.

[cable626]

Why in the world would you try to hide the truth -- that many Muslims felt joy on that terrible day?

I don't even know where to begin with this one. There are muslims (abroad) that hate America, but I don't even know why.

If SOMEONE does, please tell me. All I can think of is jealousy...maybe.

That doesn't mean that they are extremists though. Many Americans would be cheering if North Korea blew itself up, does that make me or you an American extremist?
(that seems like a stupid point, I dont really know where I'm going with that one...it's late)

[MaynardMeek]

Cable is correct with the north korea comment

.. there are millions of muslims that are just as muslim as most catholics are in the US..( figure it out if you dont know what i am talking about)

I do have to say that some non-westernized muslims have evolved into these islamist psudo- hilter like societies that unfortunatly puts mud on real muslim faces. You dont hear anything about the true muslims because they dont do anything outragious to be picked up by media. Its like at work.. you get yelled at for making a mistake, but when you do 89348294 things good.. no one says crap.

yes a majority of people voted hamas in power.. BUT look out for a civil war.. though the other party also does not recognize israel either, they are more muslim than hamas. For israel this is the best thing to have happen. They can either sit back and watch everyone blow themselves up.. then roll in and clean up and give them less than what they had... or they can join the side against Hamas, forming a light bond with them, which will then help form a better peace... either way.. peace comes from victory NOT through talking

[delta314]

I see it as terrible. Hamas is teeming with Iranian influence. Hamas never upheld any promises except terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians and military. Even in their "laws" it states its purpose is for the destruction of Israel.

You can't make peace with something like that. Sharon's government even negotiated with them steadily and even pulled out of some of the territory (forcibly withdrawing its own citizens). Now members of Hamas and other Islamic extremist groups call them "weak".

Maybe Netenyahu was correct. And may whatever "god" these Muslims worship (it certainly isnt MINE, my God doesnt condone violence in His name) have mercy on their souls... because if Netanyahu's government comes back, the chances of Palestine becoming a state will be nearly ZERO.... and they won't be taking **** from Iran.

I really like the Israeli government. Everyone is ex-military. You are required to serve one term at least. It definitely brings a "no bull****" perspective on things. And I will be the first to applaud them if they make a unilateral decision to beat Iran down like a red-headed stepchild.

I couldn't agree with you more. Hamas taking control just set the peace process back to zero.

[delta314]

I don't even know where to begin with this one. There are muslims (abroad) that hate America, but I don't even know why.

If SOMEONE does, please tell me. All I can think of is jealousy...maybe.

That doesn't mean that they are extremists though. Many Americans would be cheering if North Korea blew itself up, does that make me or you an American extremist?
(that seems like a stupid point, I dont really know where I'm going with that one...it's late)

If you truely feel that way, that's great. I'm Jewish, and even though I've had many Arab friends, they have all been Christians. I have never met a Muslim that felt the way you say you do. I forsee a very violent future for the Palestinians now that Hamas has gained control.

[delta314]

Cable is correct with the north korea comment

.. there are millions of muslims that are just as muslim as most catholics are in the US..( figure it out if you dont know what i am talking about)

I do have to say that some non-westernized muslims have evolved into these islamist psudo- hilter like societies that unfortunatly puts mud on real muslim faces. You dont hear anything about the true muslims because they dont do anything outragious to be picked up by media. Its like at work.. you get yelled at for making a mistake, but when you do 89348294 things good.. no one says crap.

yes a majority of people voted hamas in power.. BUT look out for a civil war.. though the other party also does not recognize israel either, they are more muslim than hamas. For israel this is the best thing to have happen. They can either sit back and watch everyone blow themselves up.. then roll in and clean up and give them less than what they had... or they can join the side against Hamas, forming a light bond with them, which will then help form a better peace... either way.. peace comes from victory NOT through talking

So you're saying it isn't possible to have "peace talks" work? The only way there will be peace is through a victory? If that's the case, Israel will kill many Muslim's, and that is truely a shame. I'm sure there will be many Israeli's (mostly civilians, as that is the terrorists preffered method of attack) die also. It's really too bad that people can't get along with each other. Life is so short, and there are so many things to enjoy. There isn't a child born in this world that hates somebody. That is something that is taught by their parents.

[cable626]

damnit I would rather go to the gym than worry about whether my land was gonna be called Land A or Land B.