Not really politics, but Evolution... (cont. a thread)

[Whiskey Steve]

What's the evidentiary basis for that statement?

Any one here ever see what they would describe as a UFO? I have. Anyone ever seen the supposedly Space Shuttle videos of craft/lights flying back and forth from the surface and earth orbit? Weird and interesting stuff, but I'm not qualified to properly assess either my sighting or the vids that are out but it does make me go hmmm......

where have you heard this.......links?


anywho, i have read some stuff about that. I've read some Christian sites that think it is Archangels who may be good or evil. But that these angel have a greater understanding of physics and dimension then us.....
and it talked about crop circles and how many of them must have appeared in just minutes.... i mention this because it talked about the machines that must have been used to create the pattern in such a precise and rapid fashion without making any noise.
Also mentioned some stone that was placed on the top of the tower of babel that had some meaning related to ufo's. I don't know what i think about it.
I'm trying to eliminate the word "quack" from my vocabulary because often enough people like this will end up having some shocking truth to their stories/theories.
hmmmmm

[kwyckemynd00]

You do not explode and your blood does not boil because of the containing effect of your skin and circulatory system. You do not instantly freeze because, although the space environment is typically very cold, heat does not transfer away from a body quickly. Loss of consciousness occurs only after the body has depleted the supply of oxygen in the blood. If your skin is exposed to direct sunlight without any protection from its intense ultraviolet radiation, you can get a very bad sunburn.

At NASA's Manned Spacecraft Center (now renamed Johnson Space Center) we had a test subject accidentally exposed to a near vacuum (less than 1 psi) in an incident involving a leaking space suit in a vacuum chamber back in '65. He remained conscious for about 14 seconds, which is about the time it takes for O2 deprived blood to go from the lungs to the brain. The suit probably did not reach a hard vacuum, and we began repressurizing the chamber within 15 seconds. The subject regained consciousness at around 15,000 feet equivalent altitude. The subject later reported that he could feel and hear the air leaking out, and his last conscious memory was of the water on his tongue beginning to boil.

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/as...rs/970603.html

You'd think it would be easier to find information on vacuum chambers and how NASA uses them, geez. This is all I've come up with, and I'm getting nowhere fast, so I'm done with the vacuum chamber stuff. lol.

[Whiskey Steve]

who is Fox Mulder?

and sorry for posting such out there stuff..... i'm just seems like people like CDB always have something intersting to add to ideas like this so i just figured id throw them out there

[Whiskey Steve]

Am I correct in assuming Whiskey Steve aka Fox Mulder, that I should never buy a tinfoil hat from a factory because it will be bugged? Can you make me a clean one with your ultra secret super tech Reynold's Wrap?

why the attacks

did i offend you?

[kwyckemynd00]

Fox Moulder is the guy on the X-Files who was the 'believer'. He believe in UFO's and paranormal activity, etc. His partner was the skeptic.

[Rogue Drone]

I'm just messing with Old Bourbon breath for the fun of it. In all seriousness, I've known a couple of people that were on the operational fringes of DARPA, they have some damn interesting things to say about weapon and mind control technologies in development.

[Whiskey Steve]

Fox Moulder is the guy on the X-Files who was the 'believer'. He believe in UFO's and paranormal activity, etc. His partner was the skeptic.

got ya....

i just find this stuff interesting......


i'm not one to accept things easily.... that why i have been disclaiming all of this and saying that these are simply things i have heard, and that i dont know how credible the sources are.

[kwyckemynd00]

got ya....

i just find this stuff interesting......


i'm not one to accept things easily.... that why i have been disclaiming all of this and saying that these are simply things i have heard, and that i dont know how credible the sources are.

I think it was your wording that stirred us up. You said "Can't tell ya, sorry" as if it were some big secret....Area 51 style, lol.

But, everyone's just playin' around man. No worries.

[Rogue Drone]

About a year ago, I downloaded a file on the net that was supposedly Space Shuttle video of unknown space craft that were flying from the earth into orbit, it was supposedly intercepted by someone in a TV station and released by them.

I'm just Fing with you Steve, You know I'm a member of the borderline Paranoid Conspiracy Club myself.

[Whiskey Steve]

I'm just messing with Old Bourbon breath for the fun of it. In all seriousness, I've known a couple of people that were on the operational fringes of DARPA, they have some damn interesting things to say about weapon and mind control technologies in development.

I don't understand why "they" (whoever the hell that is) doesn't use this technology for peace.
Why do they alway use their understanding of molecular structure and energy to make weapons.
We as human beings can radiate feelings and energy to effect others. Why hasn't science found a way to duplicate this on a high intensity level.

I know that the movie "what the bleep do we know" is outdated but still.... the experiment they did in DC (i think) with a mass group of people meditating did in fact lower the crime rate due to the positive energy they were sending out.
I would not be suprised if their is a machine in existance that can create this type of energy.

[Rogue Drone]

Most of the claims of Psychics have been disproven by guys like the magician skeptic James Randi, but I did see a Discovery Channel show a while back where the researchers, seemingly credible scientists from a university, had statistically proven that people could influence the behavior of Computer logic gates and rolled dice with their thoughts.

IMO, there's some reality to "Magic" , which could be described as just presently unknown science, and there's so much deception to get through to find this reality.

[Whiskey Steve]

Most of the claims of Psychics have been disproven by guys like the magician skeptic James Randi, but I did see a Discovery Channel show a while back where the researchers, seemingly credible scientists from a university, had statistically proven that people could influence the behavior of Computer logic gates and rolled dice with their thoughts.

IMO, there's some reality to "Magic" , which could be described as just presently unknown science, and there's so much deception to get through to find this reality.

I absolutly believe that.....but in a religious path of thought.
but how it happens may still be explained by science. that would shake my belief. i would just understand how it is taking place.

[Whiskey Steve]

I'm just messing with Old Bourbon breath for the fun of it. In all seriousness, I've known a couple of people that were on the operational fringes of DARPA, they have some damn interesting things to say about weapon and mind control technologies in development.

ya but you don't blab it all over the internet.....
and im not either. thats why i said what i did earlier

[Rogue Drone]

I believe we are on the verge of being able to understand and then manipulate the fundamental mechanics of our world, and that does'nt mean we cast aside the belief in god, it's just that we may soon learn to use some of his tools and techniques.

The problem appears to be that we can make enormous strides in technology, but our development of wisdom and the accompanying emotional maturity has not kept pace. Humans are still ruled by our primal biology and I don't see us progressing here fast enough to properly use these tools, our evolutinary successors, the sentient computers, may be the salvation of our species.

[Rogue Drone]

I don't know anything that's not already been disclosed on the net already by others.Secrets don't remain so as long as they once did.

[Grunt76]

LOTS of stuff is kept hyper-secret. Anti-Gravity is one, mass mind control another, etc. BTW, a second-generation mass mind control was developed by Hitler, who had some pretty good teachers. It has evolved humongously since then and is IMO the most important threat to mankind at this point. What good is "freedom" when ONE way to think is forced upon you without your knowledge? The enemy of freedom is MUCH more subtle than one might believe.

The problem appears to be that we can make enormous strides in technology, but our development of wisdom and the accompanying emotional maturity has not kept pace. Humans are still ruled by our primal biology and I don't see us progressing here fast enough to properly use these tools, our evolutinary successors, the sentient computers, may be the salvation of our species.

EXACTLY. Other intelligences in the Universe, wether you call them god, angels, demons, little people, pixies, aliens or whatever, will only make themselves seen when mankind is grown up enough to either be able to deal with them with some kind of maturity OR become a serious threat to the local structure of the universe.

I do believe that Evolution is something a race must do by itself and that this is a very very fundamental LAW of evolution. This ties in perfectly with religion, whereby God the Almighty doesn't intervene even when men do something He "doesn't want us to", like murder, rape, genocide, etc. BTW I am not religious in any way.

[Rogue Drone]

I have read that within 50? years, we may be able to incorporate other animal, insect and/or plant DNA into our own, to give us ability to do things like live in the Sea.

I've also read that it's theoritically possible to transfer the conciousness of a human being through nanotechnology into a machine.

I obviously need someone's good spelling gene, anyone got an extra?

[Grunt76]

Yeh, I've read of plans to have carbon-fiber bones, diamond teeth, muscles 100x as powerful, replacing most membranes with spider silk, etc.

I'm keeping my genes just the way they are, thank you.

[Rogue Drone]

I'll take the new teeth,IMO, that's one sorry area of human physiology, no matter how conciousness you are in their care, they will rot away anyway.

[Whiskey Steve]

I've also read that it's theoritically possible to transfer the conciousness of a human being through nanotechnology into a machine.

My religious beliefs prevent me from thinking this will evercome about.

[Grunt76]

I'll take the new teeth,IMO, that's one sorry area of human physiology, no matter how conciousness you are in their care, they will rot away anyway.

Just eat with silver cutlery and you'll keep your teeth 1500 years. Anything else I can do for you?

[Whiskey Steve]

Yeh, I've read of plans to have carbon-fiber bones, diamond teeth, muscles 100x as powerful, replacing most membranes with spider silk, etc.

I'm keeping my genes just the way they are, thank you.

hmmmm.
i wonder how this could be done....
maybe in steps...
i doubt you can transfer the consciousness (i call it the soul) of a human being into something.
but then again, i believe in things like astro projection so maybe we could just create a "perfect" or super body and then choose to enter it.

[Whiskey Steve]

and second it was all information I had known since at least 7th grade (or had a sense of).

lets not lie just to make friends.........jk




(when we reply now it says "Re: Matter, thought and science")

[Aeternitatis]

And because time doesn't exist, evolution isn't really evolution. Because time doesn't exist, evolution simply CANNOT be a process of random mutation, trial and error, etc. There is much more order to it than that. There are organizational forces at work along the axis of what we call "time" that we simply cannot understand but are nonetheless absolutely real, as proven by pure science. This means that there is a balance between "now" and "then" that we cannot understand but is ruled by laws every bit as real as the currently recognized laws of physics.

Ahh, I like that idea. It's so mind boggling. For example, I was reading about how God exists outside of time. Well, that would mean that to him time is not a linear chain but a single point. In others words, all that happened, is happening or will happened occurs all at once. Mind boggling.

I've personally never believed in time. Even since I was a child I didn't believe in it. I remember arguing about it to some adult when I was in the 4th grade. Time just never made any sense.

[Rogue Drone]

What movie are y'all talking about?

[Grunt76]

The movie "What the bleep do we know?".

Well I don't think it was a dumbass movie at all. I rather liked it, it was explaining some rather arcane developments of science in a way that was pretty understandable for most people.

Most people aren't terribly science-inclined. A lot are rather porn-and-beer inclined. Which isn't that WRONG per se, but does diminish the mental horizons when such remains the focus of one's life for too long. In that aspect, the Bleep was a GREAT movie.

To me, the science in there was obviously dated, but I sure was GLAD that the information was made available to most people. Talk to joe average about other dimensions and you'll see a thick glaze over his eyes or ask me if I'm in a religious sect or somesuch nonsense. Now that they can see in a movie that it's real science, this might cause an incremental change in the masses' mind.

[Whiskey Steve]

The movie "What the bleep do we know?".

Well I don't think it was a dumbass movie at all. I rather liked it, it was explaining some rather arcane developments of science in a way that was pretty understandable for most people.

Most people aren't terribly science-inclined. A lot are rather porn-and-beer inclined. Which isn't that WRONG per se, but does diminish the mental horizons when such remains the focus of one's life for too long. In that aspect, the Bleep was a GREAT movie.

To me, the science in there was obviously dated, but I sure was GLAD that the information was made available to most people. Talk to joe average about other dimensions and you'll see a thick glaze over his eyes or ask me if I'm in a religious sect or somesuch nonsense. Now that they can see in a movie that it's real science, this might cause an incremental change in the masses' mind.

[Whiskey Steve]

Ahh, I like that idea. It's so mind boggling. For example, I was reading about how God exists outside of time. Well, that would mean that to him time is not a linear chain but a single point. In others words, all that happened, is happening or will happened occurs all at once. Mind boggling.

I've personally never believed in time. Even since I was a child I didn't believe in it. I remember arguing about it to some adult when I was in the 4th grade. Time just never made any sense.

In religion we always think in terms of from "eternity to eternity"...
And we say that God has the past present and future in one eternal round.
I think our definition of eternity is wrong. I dont think it is a word to describe limitless time. I think it is a word that should encompass our perceptions of past, present, and future. There is no such thing as time.
The best definition i can come up with for eternity would be: the growing account of percieved happenings.
(but even that doesn't really work)

[Whiskey Steve]

I saw a spirit/ghost/???!!! once.

It was a child sized black shape in a partially lit room that walked. Scared the piss outta me.

I know what I perceived, my question has always been wether it was just a abberent malfunction in my brain, I'll never know, I guess. Very, very odd occurance.

I wouldn't be so quick as to throw it out.
if it had no purpose (did not speak to you ect.) then it was probably a halucination.

I have never seen anything like that while healthy. One time as a child i had a fever of 104+ and saw some elves in my bathroom on my way to go hurl. Seemed very real, but it is obvious it was a malfunction. Also what helps me know that i was halucinating was the fact that it was the rice crispy elves. So just they just popped out of my memory just like they could if i was dreaming.


yours does sound scary and possible real though.
Was there anything going on at the time that could have affected your brain function (fever, medication, drugs, starvation, sleep deprivation, excessive physical activity, played on the swingset to long lol)

[Grunt76]

I saw a spirit/ghost/???!!! once.

It was a child sized black shape in a partially lit room that walked. Scared the piss outta me.

I know what I perceived, my question has always been wether it was just a abberent malfunction in my brain, I'll never know, I guess. Very, very odd occurance.

I've also meditated in my bedroom, walked out and then walked back into a invisible wall that knocked me back, again maybe a brain malfunction.

You know, there is absolutely nothing new about "communicating with spirits". All the ancient civilizations did it and most of the religions speak of "angels" which by all accounts are also non-solid beings.

Of course this modern world will retort "yeah, but they were all just superstitious savages so of COURSE they were making **** up". But then again, the great pyramids and the science represented in the Maya temples and their advanced knowledge of the solar system doesn't make them terribly savage and ignorant...

[Whiskey Steve]

Nothing going on physically, mentally or chemically at the time that I can define.

I was a beat cop in Suburban Detroit, doing my normal rounds in an old industrial area, walked into a old factory storeroom, and it was there. It stood there looking at me for a moment, I froze instead of properly shining my maglight on it, and it walked out of the room. I fled, my partner and I went back, nothing to be found. Still gives me the creeps as I type this.

oddly enough its giving me the creeps too...

sometimes when i am driving at night is will go around a corner and as my lights illuminate mailboxs in my peripheral vision it will apear as a child running away from me.....


yours sound very real though. did your partener see it?
i think it sounds like you looked too long for it to just be a halucination.

[Whiskey Steve]

You know, there is absolutely nothing new about "communicating with spirits". All the ancient civilizations did it and most of the religions speak of "angels" which by all accounts are also non-solid beings.

Of course this modern world will retort "yeah, but they were all just superstitious savages so of COURSE they were making **** up". But then again, the great pyramids and the science represented in the Maya temples and their advanced knowledge of the solar system doesn't make them terribly savage and ignorant...

I believe (from my religious books) that their are Angels that have bodies and those that do not.

Speaking of ancient civilizations being more advanced...
according to some stuff i read on the web (maybe all a lie); i think it was 3 hundreds years ago in the middle east a valley was found that was completely covered in glass. And every stone was burnt on the side of it that faced toward the center of the valley. They did not know what is was at the time so they (cant remember who it said "they" were) got spooked and left. But now they think it is the result of an atomic bomb....

[Whiskey Steve]

The meditation episode was about five years ago, I was using a binaural sound frequency tape for about 30 minutes on my bed, finished and went to make a cup of coffee, walked back into the bedroom and bam, it was like walking into a wall I could not see and knocked the cup out of my hand. I have no explanation.

I have had some similar experiences...

[Whiskey Steve]

Do you guys ever watch Ghosthunters? The American team with AV equipment, not the stupid british one with "Psychics".They've caught some credible evidence with their equipment.

I haven't..... but i dont know if i care to

I scare the ****ing **** out of myself without outside info about this subject matter.

The times I have been most scared in my life are when i have been "safely" in my room by myself.......i get praying for protection real quick.


they dont really have to go "hunting"......evil spirits will gladly come to you... just buy a weegy board.

[Whiskey Steve]

There was nothing to be found when we returned, and we looked hard.

This was a very distinct child sized black shape that walked, what was so weird was that a child should have had visible distinctions in that level of light, and made sound when it walked. Neither was there. It was a solid black soundless form. I've had drug and sleep deprivitation hallucinations, this was very different, a fully cognicent experience of ?

sounds to real to be a hallucination...
and to wierd to be a real child...

I'll pray that it doesn't happen to you again (seriously).

[Whiskey Steve]

If ever I was under psychic attack, I know where to get old and new tools and allies for a fight. Don't darken my door, Loki likes people like me.

you lost me

please explain

[Whiskey Steve]

amen.

[Whiskey Steve]

You're a Christian, I'm a Pagan, neither black nor white, it's the lukewarm who god spits from his mouth. Just my belief, works for me.

I'm not too familiar with Paganism.... multiple Gods?
if you don't care to explain then thats fine


i'm lds'ish

[Grunt76]

Rogue Drone, you and me might have things in common, bro.

[Whiskey Steve]

Sorry, Steveo, some things are better left unsaid.

I respect that.......
probably more than if you would have explained it.

I get trampled on so friggin much here its rediculous


well done Rogue Drone