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    girl in my homeroom doesnt stand for pledge


    Theres this girl in my homeroom that refuses to stand durring the national anthem. She says its her right not too. This sickens me.

    My friend (uncle died in WTC attac, he was a cop) threw a pen cap at her friday. The teacher threatened him with a detention if he did it again, saying he was "disrespectful."


    DISRESPECTFUL?!?!?! How about sitting down durring the anthem while soldiers are fighting and dieng for her freedom. Now THAT is disrespect. This entire situation makes me sick. If I was a teacher I would give this bitch a detention every day she refused to stand, and if we lived a few decades ago I would smack her with a ruler constantly. I just cant get over how sick this makes me.


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    Because it is.. just as your rights are protected to believe what you believe.. so are hers. Have you ever stopped to ask her why she didn't stand up or was it just easier to hang with your buds and throw things at her. While I personally don't agree with her not standing up, I have and will gladly defend her right to not stand up.. it takes all of us to make this a great country, that includes the ones that don't stand and salute the flag.. they are the ones that help us to see something that we miss due to the fact that we are watching the flag. Davis, I hope you understand exactly why that I am writing this but if you don't I hope you will at least remember some of it as you get out into the wide world away from HS because trust me when I say, some of the things that you believed in HS do change as new things are pressed into your mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew D
    Because it is.. just as your rights are protected to believe what you believe.. so are hers. Have you ever stopped to ask her why she didn't stand up or was it just easier to hang with your buds and throw things at her. While I personally don't agree with her not standing up, I have and will gladly defend her right to not stand up.. it takes all of us to make this a great country, that includes the ones that don't stand and salute the flag.. they are the ones that help us to see something that we miss due to the fact that we are watching the flag. Davis, I hope you understand exactly why that I am writing this but if you don't I hope you will at least remember some of it as you get out into the wide world away from HS because trust me when I say, some of the things that you believed in HS do change as new things are pressed into your mind
    Dont get me wrong, I didnt support him in throwing it. I just think him throwing the cap isnt half as disrespectful has her not standing. If you dont like this country, GET OUT. That simple.



    And as you said its her right, that right needs to be removed. She doesnt talk, except for saying she doesnt have to stand. She smells like cigurettes BAD every morning.

    My honest guess why she is anti social and anti-american is because she is overweight. No, im not bashing on fat people, but this is a fitness board so I figure it would fit in well. She is basically what I was in JR. High when I was fat, didnt talk, but I wasnt anti american. What did I do? I didnt hate the world or the country or the people that threw pencaps at me, I made a change. I didnt sulk around wishing I was in good shape, I took controll and MADE a change. Too many of these "im not accepted b/c im fat" people dont want to work for a change. I am a strong believer that everyone is capton of there own ship.


    And again, if she doesn't like this country, she can get the hell out, its that simple.


    Edit- I like the part of you statement "thing are pressed into your mind"
    What will be pressed into my mind? Politically correct BULL CRAP that people accept today. I'll tell you exactly whats gonna be "pressed." Girls started sleeping around in high school, so it is now accepted that they take BC pills (no, i dont mean the ones that use it to regulate there period). It was "pressed" into all of our heads to make it seem ok. Gay marrage became more common, so it was "pressed" into our heads that it was ok. 50 years ago girls didnt wear skirts so you could see there vagina, but it got "pressed" in our heads so its common place now. Your right our views change once we get into the "real world," they change from what we think to what we think will be accepted.

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    i agree with matt. It is her right to do as she pleases. She has her reasons, just like you have yours. And maybe she doesnt think she should stannd for something that she doesnt really favor (gov't)

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    Matthew, guess I kind of have to understand what you mean. At first, when reading Davis' post, I was in agreement w/ him.. But your right. People having a choice is what makes America what it is today. The land of the free... Don't get me wrong, being a Marine and now a firefighter, her not standing up makes me sick to my stomach too. Chances are, someone in her family, be it her father, grandfather, etc.. may have been in the military in the past. Like Matthew said, ask her why she refuses..

    Oh, less than 25 min. to 9/11...

    Let's never forget....


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    Quote Originally Posted by davisville64
    And as you said its her right, that right needs to be removed. She doesnt talk, except for saying she doesnt have to stand. She smells like cigurettes BAD every morning.
    Remove that right and there's no reason to salute the flag, because it doesn't stand for anything worth a damn. Whether she doesn't stand up because she doesn't like America, likes it but disagrees to much with what it does, or she honestly just can't lever her ass out of the seat doesn't matter. Someone like that, if the topic came up, would get an earful from me as to why they should get their ass up out of that seat and salute the flag, as is my right. But that's as far as that goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fkngchucknorris
    i agree with matt. It is her right to do as she pleases. She has her reasons, just like you have yours. And maybe she doesnt think she should stannd for something that she doesnt really favor (gov't)
    She also has the right to leave this country if she pleases, and if she is against it enough to not stand for the pledge, she should.

    And you can say the pledge of allegence w/o supporting the gov't, you pledge allegence to the flag, not the government or president.

    Anyone that lives in the country and "hates" it at the same time is like the hippys that hate technology but whoop out there ipods.

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    That hurts me also, but I'm sure she has her reasons, whether they are stupid to you or not.
    My BEST FRIEND who I've known for 13 years is in Iraq right now, so basically someone disrespecting the flag is like spitting in my friends face.

    Try talking to her though, regardless if she is overweight, or your friends poke fun at her. It never hurts to look from someone else's side.

    (BTW very good post CDB, I completely agree.)

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    Of course she has the right not to stand.

    And you and the rest of your classmates have the right to ostracize her and make her school life quite miserable.

    I would have clapped for the pin thrower!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDB
    Remove that right and there's no reason to salute the flag
    No reason to solute the flag?

    I'll give u a few reasons

    1) we are given the power to elect our leaders, unlike those who have there leaders thrust upon them.
    2) Last time I checked, the change of power was peaceful. A simple change of office, no tanks being rolled down the streets of WDC.


    Those 2 privlidges are not given to most people in the world, but you find no reason to solute the flag, huh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cable626
    That hurts me also, but I'm sure she has her reasons, whether they are stupid to you or not.
    My BEST FRIEND who I've known for 13 years is in Iraq right now, so basically someone disrespecting the flag is like spitting in my friends face.

    Try talking to her though, regardless if she is overweight, or your friends poke fun at her. It never hurts to look from someone else's side.

    (BTW very good post CDB, I completely agree.)
    I dont care what her reasons are. No one short of jesus christ alone could give me any reason not to stand and respect soldiers dieng for my freedoms.



    BTW, I want to go pro in bodybuilding. I know this will require eventual "gear" use. Because of this I will likly move to canada (only about 3 hours away from my current residence) once I start, unless the punisment for anabolic steroids becomes less severe here. Even thought I dont plan on staying all my life, as long as im here, your damn right I will respect this country.

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    Eh, I think its lame, but of course she shouldn't "have to".

    Everyone I've ever met like her when I was in high school a) thinks black helicopters are hovering over their house and have tin-foil caps, b) are covered in scars around the wrist, c) a combination of both.

    Usually kids around that age have absolutely no clue what is really going on in the world and only understand one thing as social outcasts, rebellion and non-conformity (which, ironically, is so popular these days one can say you're just conforming to a different belief system )

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    Eh, I think its lame, but of course she shouldn't "have to".

    Everyone I've ever met like her when I was in high school a) thinks black helicopters are hovering over their house and have tin-foil caps, b) are covered in scars around the wrist, c) a combination of both.

    Usually kids around that age have absolutely no clue what is really going on in the world and only understand one thing as social outcasts, rebellion and non-conformity (which, ironically, is so popular these days one can say you're just conforming to a different belief system )

    Reminds me, there are these mysterious "injection like" spots on her forarms. Wonder what that could be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by davisville64
    She also has the right to leave this country if she pleases, and if she is against it enough to not stand for the pledge, she should.

    And you can say the pledge of allegence w/o supporting the gov't, you pledge allegence to the flag, not the government or president.

    Anyone that lives in the country and "hates" it at the same time is like the hippys that hate technology but whoop out there ipods.
    well there is a yes and no side to all those coins Davis.. if you take the pledge seriously and at face value you are supporting all of the things you mentioned. And it still doesn't have to be hating anything, it could be something entirely different. As for having the right to leave, yes we all have that right and that was paid for by people like my granddad, my father, my brother, and all of others that have served in the armed forces over the last 229 years. But sometimes having the people that dissent and try to change things are the people that we need around. Again this is just my opinion..

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    Eh, I think its lame, but of course she shouldn't "have to".

    Everyone I've ever met like her when I was in high school a) thinks black helicopters are hovering over their house and have tin-foil caps, b) are covered in scars around the wrist, c) a combination of both.

    Usually kids around that age have absolutely no clue what is really going on in the world and only understand one thing as social outcasts, rebellion and non-conformity (which, ironically, is so popular these days one can say you're just conforming to a different belief system )
    LOL.. K you are not to far out of HS yourself.. and you are right that is one of the trade marks of being an adolscent... trying to find what you believe in the mists of what you were taught before your brain started changing...

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    hhaa, don't remind me! The 4-5 years since I've been out I've matured more than I did in the entire previous 18! I don't know what the hell happens, but you just start to "grow up"...it's odd?!?!

    I remember telling my g/f (who was still in HS when I met her) how one day she is going to get into politics, listen to the AM channels on the radio, etc, etc, and her telling me "yeah right!" well...that's what I said, too. Now I get to say "I told you so!" all day long...hehe.

    But, aside from my sexual perversity, I was pretty mature for my age...I was always the sober guy at the parties, and kept my friends out of trouble..... (if that counts??? )

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    Quote Originally Posted by davisville64
    No reason to solute the flag?

    I'll give u a few reasons

    1) we are given the power to elect our leaders, unlike those who have there leaders thrust upon them.
    2) Last time I checked, the change of power was peaceful. A simple change of office, no tanks being rolled down the streets of WDC.


    Those 2 privlidges are not given to most people in the world, but you find no reason to solute the flag, huh.
    A commitment to freedom requires a respect and devotion to all our fundamental rights. Without all of them, any one of them can be nullified or abridged at a moments notice and rendered meaningless. The power to elect our leaders is meaningless if we are unable to speak out against them because over time, with no vocal or strident opposition they become selected rather than elected, and we have a choice between getting ****ed in the ear as opposed to the ass.

    You'll find that those two privileges as you call them are extended to a goodly amount of the population of this world. The fact that the rest of the world is so screwed up even with those privileges (I'd call them rights, far far different from privileges), goes to show how useless a fervent devotion to only some of our fundamental rights can be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    But, aside from my sexual perversity, I was pretty mature for my age...I was always the sober guy at the parties, and kept my friends out of trouble..... (if that counts??? )
    I'm that guy now. A mood disorder and a ****load of drugs of all types essentially rendered my high school and early college years memoryless. Even though I lost my taste for it, I wouldn't trade it or change anything in my past, I sure as hell learned quite a bit, and the times I do remember were fun fun fun to say the least. I'm still not even sure when I lost my virginity. I've got it narrowed down to one girl I woke up next too naken and sticky upstate. She was a townie in Oneanta, running some kind of welfare scam with around six social security numbers. Great knockers. One night during which I managed to spend a whole week's paycheck at a bar called the Copper Fox and only Christ knows what happened next.

    Another fundamental right: the right to party like a mother****er.

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    Next Friday night i'm going out with CDB!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDB
    Another fundamental right: the right to party like a mother****er.
    God Bless America...

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