girl in my homeroom doesnt stand for pledge
- 10-19-2005, 04:50 PM
Originally Posted by houseman
It is her right not to pledge allegiance. Its a socialist pledge and our country was founded on the ideas that not everyone has to be the same. It is her right to drop out and yes, her right to get free money.
However very, very few people actually like being on welfare. Its a symbol that you're **** (for a lack of better phrasing) and suck at life. Many people who live below the poverty line don't get welfare for this reason. Also, its not just get free money and do nothing. There's a lot more restrictions to how you can get that money. If you don't shape up, no money for you. Statistics I believe show that its about 1% at most of people who don't work and receive welfare (disabilities excluded).
Odds are this girl has 0 self esteem and the prick who threw the pen cap at her was just a confirmation of what she thought. That she's worthless and not fit for academics. She will probably kill herself, abuse drugs/sex in a few weeks. Even the whole anti-US thing is just people with low self esteem who want to project. No different than a promiscuous girl who gets around because she's hiding the fact that she feels she's worth nothing.
- 10-19-2005, 05:01 PM
id tell that bitch a peice of my mind. THis country is going straight to hell with all the **** people are trying to pull today. It makes me sick seeing people with no respect for a flag that still makes me shiver with pride everytime is ee it.
10-19-2005, 05:03 PM
10-19-2005, 06:18 PM
She has that right not to take part in the National Anthem. This is America and we have those kinds of rights. This is not Nazi Germany. I have relatives that don't take part in the national anthem because of religious reason and they pay their taxes, they are the first to help a stranger, and they are the perfect citizen. As an American we have so many rights and choices we can make and that what make this a great country. Some of the choices that people make may not appeal to you but that's life. I don't like reading about the Klu Klux Klan/Neo Nazis marching because of what they stand for but they have that right because that's one of the rights the constitution gave them.
Yes, your friend should have been thrown in detention or even kick out of school because NO one has the right to place harm towards another person. So, if your friend had beaten or rape or even killed her because she made a personal choice...IN YOUR MIND YOU WOULD HAD SAID SHE DESERVE IT. Did you know in some countries in the world, these acts are committed towards people that don't think, act, or worship like the majority? I notice your age and all I have to say is>>>You have a lot to learn about life and this little incident regarding other people rights, should had been taught to you at an EARLY age by your parents and also have been touch on by the school system.
YOU AND YOUR FRIEND BEHAVIOR SICKEN ME and before you start talking about the U.S and the National Anthem, maybe you should study the constitution. I thought all grade school and high school student have to pass the constitution test before graduating from High School?????????
I attend a lot of sports events and I don't stand all the time when they sing the National Anthem and that's my right. WHAT, you and your friends would had thrown a pen cap at me?????
Wow, I just had a flash back. I just remember what I did to a guy who threw a pen at me in high school. Let me put it this way, I kicked his mofo ass and he was bigger and older than me. Ahhh, those was the days.
Originally Posted by davisville64
10-19-2005, 08:07 PM
10-19-2005, 09:22 PM
great post. Sadly, our view of this situation is the minority on this board.Originally Posted by granby140
10-19-2005, 09:29 PM
I've learned that I cant voice my oppinion on this board with out risking being banned the past few days, so i'll leave the good parts outOriginally Posted by QUICKRYDE
My behavior? I did nothing but watch. What is this the last episode of seinfeld where I get in trouble for no defending a girl who disrespects the country I love? If she was some little kid getting picked on bc of a big nose, high body fat, or geeky look, I would have told him to screw off, I do it all the time (reminds me I have a detention tomorow for BREAKING UP a fight, school policy is anyone that gets in bodily contact in a fight gets minimum 1 hour detention). But defend someone who goes against my country? She's on her own, sorry.
10-19-2005, 09:31 PM
10-19-2005, 09:47 PM
When you study for the constitution test, I hope you will get the full meaning of what I'm trying to tell you.
Originally Posted by davisville64
10-19-2005, 09:55 PM
Its 2005, kids dont need to take a "constitution test" (in my school anyway), are you serious, we dont even need to stand for the flagOriginally Posted by QUICKRYDE
10-19-2005, 11:39 PM
When you're forcing people to respect and admire the flag, you are spitting on our forefathers who busted their ass to get free from the UK. They wanted to think freely and be their own person, not someone molded by the government (they're probably rolling in their graves right now over how much its changed).Originally Posted by granby140
You should have taken an American Government class. It was required my Senior year of HS. You have a test over the constitution.Its 2005, kids dont need to take a "constitution test" (in my school anyway), are you serious, we dont even need to stand for the flag
10-20-2005, 12:46 AM
if u cant respect the great country that our forefathers died and lost all their money for, then get the **** out.
Originally Posted by The Experiment
10-20-2005, 01:22 AM
Originally Posted by granby140
If you cant respect the REASON our forefathers died and lost all their money for, then get the **** OUT... They fought against the oppressive BS you're spewing out of your immature, ignorant mouth....
They fought against a country of YOU... fought for freedoms they werent allowed... like freedom of religion (church of england anyone?)
She's quite possibly a Jehovah's Witness... I've known several and they are usually outcasts because their "religion" alienates them (and it actively does it... its part of the religion ideals not to be with non-believers)
As for laughing at her for dropping out... thats not funny at all.
10-20-2005, 01:26 AM
im sure our forefathers would would be giving her **** for not showing respect towards the flag. If u dont like it or dont respct leave. simple as that. U dont have to love it but u have to respect it
10-20-2005, 01:52 AM
i agree with you completly. i was mean and alittle cruel. you can think nasty thoughts about her if you like but throwing things at her is a bit much...Originally Posted by QUICKRYDE
age has NOTHING to do with maturity. i do not appreciate anyone putting anyone down because of their "age" or lack of. im sure we all know people that are immature at the age of 50, 60, 90, etc.... who are complete idiots.Originally Posted by QUICKRYDE
"was the days..." hm....right....Originally Posted by QUICKRYDE
10-20-2005, 08:31 AM
Jehovah's witness? Maybe the girl is content with flippin' burgers for the rest of her life. Yes, people have the right to disrespect our flag, our country and everything we stand for, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.
10-20-2005, 02:18 PM
Huh?lost all their money for
Ah, that's better.Originally Posted by Bean
Why is it that, nowadays, people have been force fed this patriotic bull**** so much that they actually fall for it? Which forefathers are you talking about fighting oppression? Was it the Revolutionary War, where slave-owning plantation owners fought for the freedom of white men from England's oppression? Was it the Civil War, where North fought South over state and property rights and whether it was ok to secede and form another country? Was it World War 1, which we did not belong in and were propagandized into entering? How about World War 2, which FDR maneuvered us into through deception and treason not to promote freedom, but to help Socialist Russia? Korea? Vietnam? Iraq? Which patriotic ideal that you hold dear did these forefathers that you obviously didn't learn about die for? It's like people who wave the Bible and have no clue what it actually says between its covers. Don't defend ideals which you don't even know the origin of.
10-20-2005, 02:56 PM
Way i see it is this...
If you march against abortion, you are agains abortion (some choose to skip this step and go straight to bombs, but thats another story)
If you refuse to buy clothes made with child labor, you are agains child labor
If you dont stand for the flag, you are agains AMERICA. Not some aspect of the country you dont like, AMERICA itself. If thats the case, leave. Im sure some 3rd world country would love to have you make clothes for Nike.
10-20-2005, 03:01 PM
10-20-2005, 03:01 PM
10-20-2005, 03:05 PM
Because things aren't always that simple, don't be so quick to judge, don't be so narrow minded! There is a reason why this girl did not stand,you don't know it, your guessing, and more than likely your wrong.
RIP Ryan, :(
10-20-2005, 03:07 PM
America was founded by a bunch of punk-ass whussies who ran away from England b/c they wanted to do their own goddamn thing... The apple doesn't fall far from the tree either, just look at America today.
Having said that, I'm proud to say I'm from America, I'd rather live here than a ****load of other places, that's for sure. And I serve in the military, so I'm not an "America Hater" - I'm just disappointed in the hypocrisy of the World we live in today... Gotta <3 politics
10-20-2005, 03:12 PM
10-20-2005, 03:49 PM
What was immature about the statement davisville made here: girl in my homeroom doesnt stand for pledge ?Originally Posted by toughchick401
There was nothing immature about it. The only exception to the standing for the flag rule I can think of is maybe religious beliefs against idol worship--and I personally still don't see how that would be considered idol worship, but davisville makes a good point.
For all of those people who say they are for America, but against the administration, don't stand for the president...that's fine! But, if you claim you love and respect the USA, stand for the flag.
Nobody should be forced to stand for the flag, of course, but I think its blatantly obvious what is implied when a person refuses to stand for the flag. And no, she shouldn't have had a pen cap thrown at her.
Now, onto the issue of this girl dropping out of school. This is inexcusable, so long as you're physically capable of attending school and mentally capable of learning. If you drop out of school, that's nobody's fault but your own. I can't stand people making excuses for others stupid actions.
I believe your signature is "don't be stupid!!!!", correct? I'd extend that advice to the dumbass girl who makes political statements and then drops out of school.
And, to everyone, please don't bash the guy who says a high school drop out will probably live off of government support (our tax dollars) for the rest of his/her life, because, in all probability...he/she will! Its a statistical fact! When the average high school dropout makes $20k/year, they're going to NEED gov't support. The truth is painfully obvious....painful...that's the issue....people don't like the truth because the truth hurts.
10-20-2005, 03:51 PM
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