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    I sold my truck and bought a Honda Accord. (freaking awesome car - 28mpg average city/hwy, 33+ on long trips). When I have the proper facilites, Ill be driving a diesel converted to run on vegetable oil.

    Energy is something we all need, and the 'man' is just going to use it as another vehicle to enslave the middle and lower socioeconomic class and keep them where they are - mindless spending, buying what the media tells them to. They have to if they are to hold on to their positions of power,wealth and influence.

    Does that soccer mom 'need' that GMC Denali? Nope. But they'll keep buying, and fuel prices will keep rising. And Ill drive around with death metal blasting out of my fryer oil powered VW telling everyone to go fu*k themselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew D
    Mach I am older than you are And as for pulling younger generation from the X box.. my two kids don't even own one... and won't
    Good man. They are most likely athletic as well. Keep up the good work.
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    I'm not taking star trek... I am talking about things like solar power Fox
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    Hey jmh80, thanks for understanding the frustration....

    I saw Lou Dobbs talking about refineries in Usa today and he basicly
    was saying that 6(or maybe 7? don't remember)
    refineries were off line in america right now and another (7 or 6?)
    weren't running at full capacity.. He said why all of a sudden were so
    many down or partially down when we need them up and running ?
    I can tell your knowledge is way over my head in this subject, and really
    don't have much time for debating, but appreciate you taking the time
    to try and explain your side......
    I still think at this time , the oil companies should be trying to work
    with the america people ....
    just my opinion....
    It will have a back firing effect sooner or later....

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    Crude and distillate inventories are higher now than they were when oil was hitting $40. There aren't any shortages of distillates other than jet fuel in some markets due to "just in time" inventory management by the airlines. They adopted this approach b/c they neglected to hedge their exposure to crude.

    The price at the pump is nearly a perfect correlation to the price of unleaded futures. There is convexity related to taxes, carry and storage+shipping, but it's pennies. I trade 1000s of crude oil option contracts a week. Trust me, the only conspiracy is the lemmings that make up the hedge fund community. The price is rallying due to speculative positions. Buying begets buying, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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    Have fun at over $3.50 around the country by next April. No thanks to our spinless Congressmen for not attempting legislation around the US for MTBE.



    See - I was close. It was around $3 in most of the US. All Congress' fault....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmh80
    Have fun at over $3.50 around the country by next April. No thanks to our spinless Congressmen for not attempting legislation around the US for MTBE.
    OMFG you've got to be kidding me?
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    I'm serious.

    Supply and demand bro. Supply and demand.
    The prices haven't caught up to the meteoric rise in crude in the last 3 weeks (over $10). EVEN IF crude stabalizes, gas will rise independent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmh80
    I'm serious. Supply and demand bro. Supply and demand.
    Markets move towards equilibrium; this is currently a demand related issue not a supply issue. Some economists will tell you that oil prices are "falsely" elevated due to a "terrorism tax" being levied on prices. Some specualte that this "terrorism tax" could be anywhere from 10-20 american dollars.

    Also, I think it is important to recognize that OPEC is a oligopoly. In such a market form, collusion is rather simple. OPEC is a cartel and thus cartel economics apply. Cartels tend to limit supply (often falsely) to fix prices or increase prices. In the long run, one member of the cartel will break rank and prices will move (often down) again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew D
    I'm not taking star trek... I am talking about things like solar power Fox
    I know, I was just being facetious. No harm meant.
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    I figured as much... but damn I see all the negative that comes with petro chemicals and it like, why can't we find a better way...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooklyn
    No, it's a red tape issue. We have a government which refuses to cut through red tape. Speaking of red, how many people are seeing red over what is perceived as President Bush's reluctance to assist with the rampant increases in fuel prices? It seems rather clear when the Saudis go against OPEC and produce more oil as if it is a favor to us... that it actually benefits them and oil prices here do not decrease.
    It's the government's attempt to 'cut through red tape' that often adds to the price of oil. And usually the red tape is of their own making which has already added to the price.

    That won't happen. America has become too pussified to protest much of anything. This country lets atrocities far more appalling than gas prices go unanswered. They'll just be a lot of bitching and moaning and for some, economy car purchases. Take New Jersey as an example. Has anyone ever actually protested the absurd levies on driving and living in that state? Has anyone looked at how much it costs just to have the ability to drive in New York? You're taxed on property you already own, as if you owe something to the government for you owning a piece of the "Land of the Free." In some states, you pay property taxes on your car every year. Kansas raised traffic violations fines to three times as much money as they were before. I don't see revolts in the streets on account of any of this. No, the gas companies, like the government, will continue to rape America and Americans will continue to bend over and take it. Now you tell me, is that pessimism or is that reality?
    Most likely reality. The problem is most people don't realize that businesses, oil or otherwise, can't rape them unless the government enables it.

    What is this silliness which assumes an oil shortage as the cause of the high prices? There is no such shortage. The shortage is not in supply of crude but in supply of refined oil. It's refineries which there is a shortage of. Find a way to build more and that oil company excuse will be null and void. This is what the President should be focusing on, if he had the ability to focus on anything but his own interests and what his advisors tell him to do. Since when has Bush cared about environmentalists?
    As I stated later in my post, a lack of refineries is a problem. Look to NIMBY types who use the government to stop the building of such refineries rather than letting companies buy land at and build. As far as shortages, we're not there yet on a mass scale but there have been regional shortages here and there over the years, especially in areas were there are strict or very specific gas regulations which preclude the sale of gas from neighboring areas. With continued government action screwing around with the price of oil/gas, both in raising it through taxes but more importantly in screwing with the time structure of production, it's hard to say when a shortage would hit, but one is likely to hit.

    In the Shakespearean play Julius Caesar, Brutus is an idealist. Led to believe through unrealistic ideas on how to restore Rome's former glory by Cassius the power-hungry cynic, he murders his friend and patriot Caesar. The problem is that the Rome of Brutus' dreams never truly existed. It was a concept; a pipe dream of what could be, or what should be. Similar is any comment on America greatly reducing its vehicle use. That is, shall I say, highly unlikely. Let us not speculate first on the most unlikely of probabilties, lest we come to find regret too late as did Brutus.
    If gas keeps hopping up people will start to limit their driving. If the price of eggs keeps going up people eat less of them. It's simple economics. If the government screws with the market to stop the price from going up, then Americans won't have a choice as a shortage would probably follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by not_big_enuf
    Time to chime in and I'm sure it's going to irk some.

    What are gas prices like compared to Europe? I'm pretty sure the US is DRASTICALLY lower. Perhaps I'm wrong.

    The problem with the US is we don't want to be inconvenienced. We want to drive our gas-guzzling machines everywhere. We drive our trucks our big cars and then complain about gas prices. Why not get an economical car? Well, of course, we need a vehicle for our boat, we need to haul our kids, blah blah blah. Again, the convenience factor. I don't buy it.
    Sp as the economy advances we should see a drop in conveniences, a drop in leisure time, etc? One of the signs of a healthy, thriving economy is falling prices because of the increases in the amount of goods and services, drops in costs to companies, and increased productivity on the part of labor. The reason gas prices are so high in Europe is taxes, which are used to fuel socialist and psuedosocialist governments which do their best to screw up European economies. I'd rather not buy that system.

    What about public transportation? Well that inconvenient. I live in Minneapolis, a metro area and people heavily UNDER utilize public transportation. Why? Convenience. We want to be able to leave when we want. We don't want to add an extra 30 minutes to our commute. Time is money you know! Again, people don't want to be inconvenienced. Take the bus and schedule your meetings accordingly. Don't enroll your kids in 12 activities and force them to figure out their own things to do and use their mind. Or heaven forbid they go to the park and play instead of going to a scheduled activity.
    And again, why should they be inconvenienced? a more pertinent question is why the government keeps wasting Christ knows how much money on public transportation when most people don't use it. It's the perfect example of the public use of money vs the private use of money. Public transportation essentially fails because few people want to use it, so it gets more money and still fails. In the private sector such a business would have been scrapped and liquidated, or changed and remade to the point where it did appeal to people by giving what they wanted, whatever that may be.

    Do you really NEED a truck, a car, a van? Probably not, but we want the convenience. How are going to tow our boat or live without? Well, that's what you pay for... you live in the most convenienced country in the world... you can do anything you want with more luxuries than anywhere else... so a few extra dollars for gas should hardly kill you.
    The reason we live in one of the most convenienced countries on the plant is because we've been one of the most productive societies in the history of the planet. And for my productivity I have the right to demand more convenience, which means I come and go as I please and don't wait for some stinky ass bus full of BO smelling degenerates.

    Sry, but the gas complaint is one that I don't see eye-to-eye with many on. We're so spoiled with the gas prices we have compared to others that I think we need to open our eyes and see how spoiled we really are and we truly have over here.
    This is one of the weirder opinions I've heard on the subject, and I've heard it alot from people. What's the substance of it, be happy our government here in the US is ****ing us slightly less than the governments abroad? As if not getting ass raped by the government is some sort of guilty pleasure we enjoy here in America, and not something we should expect and demand. The idea that the true and proper mode of existence is to have the government leaning over your shoulder and charging 300% taxes on everything, and that we should be thankful for every situation where they aren't doing that is ridiculous.

    Ok, sry, I'm done with my soapbox... and I'm sorry to criticize, but it comes back to the laziness factor so often and that really irks me with the US. We're fat and lazy and this is just another example of how we want every convenience all the time.
    Perhaps you could explain why life must be inconvenient when it does't have to be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Foxx
    This is a total fallacy. The tar pits in Canada contain an estimated 260 billion barrels of oil just waiting to be tapped. That is more than all of the Middle East. If the planet continues to use oil at its current rate, that resource alone will keep going for at least 100 years, and that is just one source of oil. Granted oil use will go up, but this whole thing about oil becoming scarce are nothing more than scare tactics by misguided and misinformed "experts".

    On top of that North America contains an estimated 730million year coal reserve.
    Not to mention abiotic oil theories, which are apparently panning out here and there in drilling experiements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by size
    Also, I think it is important to recognize that OPEC is a oligopoly. In such a market form, collusion is rather simple. OPEC is a cartel and thus cartel economics apply. Cartels tend to limit supply (often falsely) to fix prices or increase prices. In the long run, one member of the cartel will break rank and prices will move (often down) again.
    I'd agree that would be the trend in a free market. The problem is the one way cartels can survive is by having the government enforce them, or a group of governments such as in OPEC. Even were a new peteroleum producing power to rise in our world, they'd likely join a similar organization.
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    I am sure this was said before... crude price actually has no true impact on gas price... there is no REAL reason for this gas price hike whatsoever.. but please, if you will, look at this as the last big gasp of air being taken by a dying beast. gas (as we know it) is going to change dramatically within the next 10-15 years, and those with the power now are trying to suck as much money from the market as they can before the change over. He told me it wouldn't shock him to see reg. gas prices rise to over $5.00 US but then drop to 2.00 then rise up back to 4.00 so on and this trend will keep to ease the people ( this info from a BS session i had with a very well respected researcher out of princeton university who is working on other sources of transportation energy)

    Also, most if not all of our military trucks now over in Iraq etc. are fully or close to fuller fit with amour... however.. though safer, these truck are now very very heavy and are sucking thru gas like there is no tomorrow .. so just like back WW2 when people had to go on a sugar ration to feed the need of the american GI's... we too have to pay our part.... for or against the O.peration I.raqi L.iberation ;-)




    please note Operation Iraqi Liberation was never a term used by anyone in our government... its just a clever little thing i heard regarding the hidden meaning in being in Iraq.. which isn't even correct in the first place :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDB
    Perhaps you could explain why life must be inconvenient when it does't have to be?
    That is actually quite easy; convenience is relative. Squeezing a few people and baggage into an economy car may be less convenient than doing the same in an Escalade but it is more convenient than walking. Monitoring and eating an appropriate diet to maintain a healthy bodyweight could be construed as incovenient. Should everyone be entitled to cheap gastric bypasses to improve convenience? It really depends on your own priorities...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrox
    That is actually quite easy; convenience is relative. Squeezing a few people and baggage into an economy car may be less convenient than doing the same in an Escalade but it is more convenient than walking. Monitoring and eating an appropriate diet to maintain a healthy bodyweight could be construed as incovenient. Should everyone be entitled to cheap gastric bypasses to improve convenience? It really depends on your own priorities...
    Which is exactly what makes it a meaningless standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew D
    I have seen estimates that we don't have but 20-50 years worth of oil unless we have other countries start using more like India and China, then the estimates start dipping even lower to 10 or 15 years..
    its really sad that that scares me. we are so dependent on oil, seriously, can u imagine how different everything will be without oil if nothing new is developed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Gimpy
    its really sad that that scares me. we are so dependent on oil, seriously, can u imagine how different everything will be without oil if nothing new is developed?
    scary, too, because war is definitely in the backs of the minds of leades of the world...oil will most likely be necessary to stay on top and nobody wants to lose power. AT the smae time, we're going to have "underdog" countries looking to take advantage of the situation.

    We better find alternatives QUICK.
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    there are, the westernized world still has too much pull on what "we" wish to use to make our cars go. Iran is actually very close to using a safe biproduct of nuclear power to run small transportation... they aren't looking to drop any bombs on anyone, they are looking to be the leaders of the new free world's energy supply... but we ( oil using nations that see large $$ from it) are doing our best to hold that off for as long as possible
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    The Canadian tar sands contain an order of mag more oil than is in proven reserves. Problem is elasticity of demand for oil that is considerably more expensive in the raw-refining process. Figure > 2* that of conventional oil... it's profitable now, but reserves are still more than adequate, thereby limiting the near-term potential as there is a far cheaper to refine and deliver product.
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    We need more nuclear power....oh yeah more refineries its been awhile since we built another one.
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    Yea, that's what I'm talking about but THAT BIKE is the number one killer and the insurance is high as hell on that bike. I already use my sportbike 80% or more and my truck is used only for shopping, dates and traveling.

    I was listening to the morning news today and they said it might reach $4.00 to $5.00 a gallon next year.



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    When it gets $3.50 a gallon, cause right now its $2.80 here in Dallas, I want this:

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    I did see that wholesale gas prices dropped 11 cents yesterday. Not sure about today.

    That should take 2 weeks for the local gas station owners to come down on prices. Whereas the increases take a mere hour or so.
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    scary, too, because war is definitely in the backs of the minds of leades of the world...oil will most likely be necessary to stay on top and nobody wants to lose power. AT the smae time, we're going to have "underdog" countries looking to take advantage of the situation.

    We better find alternatives QUICK.
    They could have made it a point to take care of this sh*t and get us off the Middle East's oil spewing teat decades ago. But 'they' (the powers that be) didnt - because they're greedy bastards and sooo many big time politicians and businessman have made their wealth from the oil industry.

    Well, like I said in the above post - screw them. There are some alternatives that we, as the consumers, can use without 'inconvienencing' ourselves. You can set up a biodiesel still in your garage, do the brunt of your driving in a vegetable oil powered car, etc.

    Of course, absurdly high oil prices will trickle down into everything else we buy - and of course salaries wont rise to compensate. And most of the people in America will be poor and pissed off and the other 10% wont give a **** that oil cost so much because a.)They can afford it, and b.)They're raking it in by gouging the consumer.

    It just makes me sick - because you know its going to get a LOT worse before it gets better. If it ever gets better.

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    BigVrunga I agree 100% with you.

    A cynic might say it is a strange coincidence that the oil prices rise so, just after the USA conquered Irak, the world's what, 2nd, 3rd, biggest oil reserve? Yes that would be cynical because the USA LIBERATED Irak from tyranny. Of course, and it doesn't matter one bit that they are much worse off now than during the 10-year embargo that killed one MILLION children and women over there. Saying otherwise would be just TOO cynical.

    OTOH, all of a sudden, American companies get to basically take over the oil business on the Irak side of things, and BOOM the price of oil RISES. DRASTICALLY. Why isn't it lower now that Irak is liberated and the land of the free exerts its gentle democratic liberating power over that country? Shouldn't the caring kindness of beautiful democracy save people from having to choose between good food and fuel? Nah. Thinking that way would be way too cynical, right.

    It's a set up. All of it. It cannot possibly be that Bush got full support from EVERYONE for his little war for which he made up the official reason out of thin air, by promising riches from all the oil and "reconstruction" activities over there. That's undue cynicism, too, right? Don't flame me too hard - remember, flamethrowers run on (expensive) oil...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    They could have made it a point to take care of this sh*t and get us off the Middle East's oil spewing teat decades ago. But 'they' (the powers that be) didnt - because they're greedy bastards and sooo many big time politicians and businessman have made their wealth from the oil industry.
    Then Americans should stop voting for them, or stop not voting for other people. It's not like they don't have a choice.

    Well, like I said in the above post - screw them. There are some alternatives that we, as the consumers, can use without 'inconvienencing' ourselves. You can set up a biodiesel still in your garage, do the brunt of your driving in a vegetable oil powered car, etc.

    Of course, absurdly high oil prices will trickle down into everything else we buy - and of course salaries wont rise to compensate. And most of the people in America will be poor and pissed off and the other 10% wont give a **** that oil cost so much because a.)They can afford it, and b.)They're raking it in by gouging the consumer.
    Gouging is a myth and a hypocrisy. I don't think you'd take it too lightly if there were a scarcity of goods you possessed and the government came in and told you what you could and could not sell them for if people were willing to buy it at the prices you set. And if they weren't willing to buy you'd go out of business or have to lower the price.

    It just makes me sick - because you know its going to get a LOT worse before it gets better. If it ever gets better.
    End all government involvment in the industry and you'll likely see it get better. You don't see the proces of many other goods or services fluctuating so drastically, and when you do it's a guarantee the government is heavily involved.
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    Here's a link with the gas prices in Europe and other countries around the world:
    http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lis...bal_gasprices/

    I live in belgium and taxes make up like 65% of the gas cost here..
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    End all government involvment in the industry and you'll likely see it get better. You don't see the proces of many other goods or services fluctuating so drastically, and when you do it's a guarantee the government is heavily involved.
    I completely agree with you - I'd like to see a free market on oil in the US. Even if, at first prices skyrocketed, it would propel the energy industry to come up with viable alternatives a lot faster - which would eventually drive prices down.

    Then Americans should stop voting for them, or stop not voting for other people. It's not like they don't have a choice.
    I *dont* vote for these people!! A lot of times you look at who you have to vote for and its a lose/lose situation. IMHO the democrats and republicans have a monopoly on power in this country...no matter who you vote for you end up screwed one way or another.

    That's still not a reason to not vote, however.

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    Here's a link with the gas prices in Europe and other countries around the world:
    http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/li...obal_gasprices/

    I live in belgium and taxes make up like 65% of the gas cost here..
    I laughed when I saw Venezuela at $.12 a gallon!! Its not the high gas prices that piss me off - its that we're not doing enough to find alternative energy sources.
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    Venezuela's govt. subsidies. Really smart to sell distillates at $.10 on the dollar when you can export your production at 10x the revenue and support the entire economy. Genius... no wonder Venezuela is a toilet.
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    Last edited by jmh80; 05-28-2006 at 02:32 AM.
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    It doesn't look so bad when you compare it to most of Europe, but I don't like the fact that the cheapest gas I have found is $2.82 a gallon, by ARCO of course.
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    And BV the oil industry in this country is not controlled by the government. We are all publically listed companies. The only thing the government controlls is the taxes and also the land that can be drilled for oil.
    So, I'm not really sure what you mean.
    Some politicians have a lot of money vested in the oil industry - so I think there isnt as big of a push to find a 'real' alternative energy source as there should be. I dont know though - maybe it doesnt work that way...I tend to be really cynical of anything that has to do with the government - even before I have all the facts.
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    Maybe these prices will finally get all these HUGE suv's off the road.

    As for me, my protege gets 35 mpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDB
    Gouging is a myth and a hypocrisy.
    So true. However, you understand economics, Mises, oiligopoly, monpolyfree markets, etc., while most do not. Oil pricing is rather simple.

    Off topic, but have you ever read Keynes's "General Theory"? I vastly disagree with Keynes but a read worth reading.
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    Maybe these prices will finally get all these HUGE suv's off the road.

    As for me, my protege gets 35 mpg
    That's what Im saying - I sold my Explorer and got a Honda Accord.
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    My camry gets 30 but the wife's van only gets about 22 or so
  

  
 

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