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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Now that Im home and I can get a little more into this in detail.



    Obama's mother Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro. Ann Dunham worked for "U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID)" that worked to gather 5000 key members of the Indonesian Communist Party which Lolo Soetoro was a part of. These people were all targets of the Indonesian Military. USAID would also identify Indonesian sympathizers of the goverment.

    The coup (which Lolo took part of) took place backed by support of USAID and the CIA in 1965 where they took out President Sukarno and net total deaths in the coup were between 250,000-1,000,000 Indonesians.

    The source to the CIA's role in the Indonesian Coup was written by a CIA vet of the International Communism Branch and part of the Counterintelligence staff Ralph McGehee in the Fall 1990 issue of the Covert Action Information Bulletin.

    Lolo Soetoro was named colonel under the newly CIA installed dictator General Suharto from 1965 (after he married Obama's mother, which he then left both Obama and Durham in Hawaii afterwards) to 1970 when he became a oil millionaire joining Exxon.

    Ann Dunham worked for the CIA/USAID front, Lembaga Persahabatan Indonesia Amerika (LIA)–the Indonesia-America Friendship Institute up until 1972 when she returned to Hawaii and continued her work under two agency fronts, the Asia Foundation and the East-West Center at the University of Hawaii. She returned to Indonesia in 1975 the same year East Timor became independent and liberated from Portugal and the CIA along with Lolo Soetoro planned a bloody invasion and occupation of the country with permission of Henry Kissenger (who is now one of Obama's policy advisor)

    For more information on Genocide in East Timor you can look into the "East Timor Genocide Studies Program"
    http://www.yale.edu/gsp/east_timor/

    Yale East Timor Project - Yale University Genocide Studies Program





    UN-sponsored Truth Commission Verdict on East Timor:
    "Extermination as a Crime Against Humanity"

    Full Report US Role Databases
    Dili burning, September 8, 1999
    Violence by Fire in East Timor, September 8, 1999
    Other Satellite Images of East Timor, 1972-2000
    Map of East Timor's Districts and Resistance Sectors, 1975-99

    Ill post more later if I have time, havent touched Obama's grandfather yet.

    In what capacity was he involved in this? What was it he actually done for them? What was the size of this organization that he worked for? You previously said he killed.. so where does it say Soetoro held a gun and personally killed that number of people?

    Also what is the significance of any of this really? I am sure I can write a piece to demonozie our founding fathers since they basically had a coup of their own.

    Oh and thanks for the meaningless references. They state stats on the killings.. but where does it say Soetoro killed them? Your connections are on par with the game "6 degrees of kevin bacon".

    But no I am the silly guy here who is mocking a tragedy (which I never did) and you are the honorable one who is politicizing that same tragedy and trying to work off peoples emotions in attempt to persuade them in agreement with you.

    Yup I am the ******* here
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    In what capacity was he involved in this? What was it he actually done for them? What was the size of this organazation that he worked for? You previously said he killed.. so where does it say Lolo held a gun and personally killed that number of people?

    Also what is the significence of any of this really? I am sure I can write a piece to demonozie our founding fathers since they basically had a coup of their own.

    Oh and thanks for the meaningless references. They state stats on the killings.. but where does it say Lolo killed them? Your connections are on par with the game "6 degress of kevin bacon".
    First off, we arent going to get all the answers, not definitely and not conclusively. That is reality. Its something thats always going to be questioned and investigated and hidden by the mainstream media. We are always just going to ask questions, try to find the answers, and put the puzzle pieces together, but with covert operations such as this we are always going to want to seek more info which is an impossible task to complete. We should work diligently to try to find out more (assuming you care about the topic.)

    Whether or not he personally killed doesnt matter imo, he was directly involved with a political group that launched a coup that caused genocide. He made it up the rankings and became colonel. Whether you believe Lolo's involvement or not will be up to your judgment.

    The level of significance is all up to you, everyone will interpret differently...some will let it go, not care and forget about it, some will try to dig further to quench their curiosity and see how the puzzle pieces fit that have molded Obama's character. Its all up to you if it interests you or not and what level of significance it is.

    In regards to our founding fathers, I like some of their philosophy and a large part of the constitution I highly support, but I do not respect them or look up to them.

    The last part I added was to show collegiate sources of the genocide event that you had been portraying to (and perhaps without intent) as meaningless and non-existent (thats how it appeared on my end to be honest.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1

    First off, we arent going to get all the answers, not definitely and conclusively. That is reality. Its something thats always going to be questioned and investigated and hidden by the mainstream media. We are always just going to ask questions and try to come up with answers, but with covert operations such as this we are always going to want to seek more info which is an impossible task to complete. We should diligently to try to find out more (assuming you care about the topic.)

    Whether or not he personally killed doesnt matter imo, he was directly involved with a political group that launched a coup that caused genocide. He made it up the rankings and became colonel. Whether you believe Lolo's involvement or not will be up to your judgment.

    The level of significance is all up to you, everyone will interpret differently...some will let it go, not care and forget about it, some will try to dig further to quench their curiosity and see how the puzzle pieces fit that have molded Obama's character. Its all up to you if it interests you or not and what level of significance it is.

    In regards to our founding fathers, I like some of their philosophy and a large part of the constitution I highly support, but I do not respect them or look up to them.

    The last part I added was to show collegiate sources of the genocide event that you had been portraying to (and perhaps without intent) as meaningless and non-existent.
    How is the son guilty of the sins of the father?

    My father did crazy sh1t in his life, I am not responsible for them.

    I never understood this aspect of politics tbh. I hear it from both sides. Romneys family and multiple marriages, Obama and the CIA. Really is another distraction IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    How is the son guilty of the sins of the father?

    My father did crazy sh1t in his life, I am not responsible for them.

    I never understood this aspect of politics tbh. I hear it from both sides. Romneys family and multiple marriages, Obama and the CIA. Really is another distraction IMO.
    I didnt say he is guilty of sins of his father, I said "like father like son." Look how Obama has expanded all the wars. Like his father he has killed in large quantities through wars they support.


    IMO they both suck (edit: Obama and Romney,) lol but I dont see how multiple marriages and sexual affairs interprets to what it means what one can do for their country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    First off, we arent going to get all the answers, not definitely and not conclusively. That is reality. Its something thats always going to be questioned and investigated and hidden by the mainstream media. We are always just going to ask questions, try to find the answers, and put the puzzle pieces together, but with covert operations such as this we are always going to want to seek more info which is an impossible task to complete. We should diligently to try to find out more (assuming you care about the topic.)
    then shouldnt you be making your statements with the words "possibly, maybe, could be, etc" instead of making definitive statements?

    Whether or not he personally killed doesnt matter imo, he was directly involved with a political group that launched a coup that caused genocide. He made it up the rankings and became colonel. Whether you believe Lolo's involvement or not will be up to your judgment.
    so if I work at chik fil a I am against marriage equality? But I made it all the way to regional manager so I must be.. Right?

    Point is you said he killed not that he was affiliated with an organization that has been accused of whatever.


    My main problem with your postings is you are incapable of being objective. They are biased and you post ideas as if they are definitive facts despite the lack of evidence. As ling as it fits your narrative and your preconceived view of the worked then it must be true. Saying this man was responsible fore the deaths of thousands with the only connection was he was employed by an organization hardly qualities as proof that he was responsible for anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    then shouldnt you be making your statements with the words "possibly, maybe, could be, etc" instead of making definitive statements?
    You dont know me well enough, and I dont expect you to since we are just on the internetz here. My philosophy in life is not to attach to conclusions, I feel that it warps critical thinking. Dont get me wrong, there is an extremity to that, I do and will lean towards a particular set belief and/or information especially when it appears to be 1+1=2 material. I feel its important to keep the mind flexible by not attaching to definitive statements and information in most cases.

    When I make statements sound definitive, thats just my personality when I express one of those pieces of information I lean towards believing. I do not believe everything I even post, some is out there to open dialogue and to stimulate further investigation, nothing to me is overly taboo.

    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    so if I work at chik fil a I am against marriage equality? But I made it all the way to regional manager so I must be.. Right?

    Point is you said he killed not that he was affiliated with an organization that has been accused of whatever.


    My main problem with your postings is you are incapable of being objective. They are biased and you post ideas as if they are definitive facts despite the lack of evidence. As ling as it fits your narrative and your preconceived view of the worked then it must be true. Saying this man was responsible fore the deaths of thousands with the only connection was he was employed by an organization hardly qualities as proof that he was responsible for anything.
    Your example there is a little confusing, Im not sure what that means but Ill try to respond to it. If your a chick and against marriage equality and you make it to regional manager it has nothing to do with your ability to be a manager outside of possible discriminatory actions you choose to partake in or not.

    Now, imo if Lolo Seotoro supported the coup, the political party that launched the coup, rose in rankings in that political party that caused genocide ...even without firing a single bullet in my personal opinion he is guilty of mass murder, especially in this case and this particular event. But this was earlier on, Ill explain 1975 briefly later on. We do know his position of power.

    Now, with your last statement, have you asked yourself who Lolo Seotoro is and spent any time investigating his past history? He is our presidents step father. If he interests you or not is up to you, but I find him particularly interesting. Its suspicious to me that Obama's priority as soon as he stepped into office is to sign Excecutive Order #13489 which seals his personal records, Its natural for one to think what he is hiding in his past after legally barring his past.

    Yes, its my personal opinion that Lolo Soetoro is a mass murderer with his affiliation of his organization even if he did not directly kill anybody. You are more guilty if your in a position of power and influence than actual troops on the ground doing the killing since they are just doing what is told and ordered. Lolo was Colonel in 1975 under Suharto during the bloody invasion of East Timor, so yes he has been in a position of power historically at times of war and genocide so yes he is a mass murderer.

    They even acknowledge that Lolo Soetoro was Colonel of the Indonesian army on Obama's 2012 campaign website, this is a well established fact but most people dont know who Obama's stepfathers background even is, or even heard his name. Most people just think Obama was son of a goat herder and end of story.

    http://2012.presidential-candidates....andparents.php
    Stepfather: Lolo Soetoro Mangundikardjo (1935 – 1987)
    Geographer, Colonel with the Indonesian Army and Oil Company Executive
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    Ax, lolo maybe what you say. Which is all well and good. But how do the actions of a step father relate to the step son? I just don't see the connection. Are you the exact same as your father?

    These connections are fruitless and take away from real issues. In fact they are more of a distraction than anything else. Are you working for the CFR ax? Lol
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    It's not factual reporting unless the source is "infowars" or Alex Jones. By the way negging someone in a political forum is quite silly. I could neg you simply for being off the reservation, yet you'd still carry on. :/

    In agreement with Judo, your M.O. is to simply raise 1000 absurd questions without ever providing definitive answers. You think everything is a flag operation which probably includes Disney World.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Ax, lolo maybe what you say. Which is all well and good. But how do the actions of a step father relate to the step son? I just don't see the connection. Are you the exact same as your father?

    These connections are fruitless and take away from real issues. In fact they are more of a distraction than anything else. Are you working for the CFR ax? Lol
    Me CFR? Only a globalist would ask that kind of question, lolx2

    Obama's family history important, but certainly not as important as actual current policies and wars.

    We would not expect Obama to be a clone of his stepfather, but it shows (and what I posted in the last couple pages is just a small piece) that Obama has both concealed and completely lied about his own history and background to the American people in person and in his books (example: The Audacity of Hope), and how it may be significant to his actual policy as it may be partly an influence to his signing of Executive Order #13489. Its also significant as it shows how Obama had been groomed into coming to power (to what extent dunno).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Chick-fil-a is a fast food restaurant
    Oh that, I heard about that. If the guy is against gay marriage I dunno why that is important to the business as long as he isnt being discriminatory with his employees and segregating gay customers. Im actually for gay marriage and his statement wouldnt stop me from shopping there, its really a silly issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Oh that, I heard about that. If the guy is against gay marriage I dunno why that is important to the business as long as he isnt being discriminatory with his employees and segregating gay customers. Im actually for gay marriage and his statement wouldnt stop me from shopping there, its really a silly issue.
    To make it more relevant to your post...If I actually knew the guy was directly discriminating his employees or segregating gays from his restaurants Id quit and find another job, but for his opinion I dont care when it comes to business.

    Now President Suharto is one of the most brutal, repressive, bloodiest and corrupt dictators in the 20th century. If I was Lolo Soetoro and I was a Colonel in his regime I would defect into another country, instead Lolo embraced his position.

    Just like the Nazi's all the officers were put to trial for war crimes and what they did in the holocaust, Lolo Seotoro should be to trial as well just the way Colonel Alfred Jodl was convicted at Nuremberg. If Jodl's son was running for president I think people should know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    To make it more relevant to your post...If I actually knew the guy was directly discriminating his employees or segregating gays from his restaurants Id quit and find another job, but for his opinion I dont care when it comes to business.

    Now President Suharto is one of the most brutal, repressive, bloodiest and corrupt dictators in the 20th century. If I was Lolo Soetoro and I was a Colonel in his regime I would defect into another country, instead Lolo embraced his position.

    Just like the Nazi's all the officers were put to trial for war crimes and what they did in the holocaust, Lolo Seotoro should be to trial as well just the way Colonel Alfred Jodl was convicted at Nuremberg and hung. If Jodl's son was running for president I think people should know that.
    So with the tone and rhetoric that you use when you speak about the wars the United States is involved with, would you suggest that our servicemen and woman to abandon their country and move to another one? Or at least thats what you would do if you were presently active in our military?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    So with the tone and rhetoric that you use when you speak about the wars the United States is involved with, would you suggest that our servicemen and woman to abandon their country and move to another one? Or at least thats what you would do if you were presently active in our military?
    If I was a serviceman or drafted I would either protest these wars (and get people to be involved) and if not possible defect into another country where I can be an anti-war activist rather than sitting behind bars. Goal would be to help the country even if I left. Id might even end up like Pat Tillman.

    I think our serviceman are our last hope into restoring this country. They have sworn to protecting the Constitution, and I would expect them at one point to rise up to Washington (non-violently) and help restore what they swore to protect.
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    So Im looking into Paul Ryan and here are a few issues that bother me on his voting record in regards to Constitutional law and the basic Constitutional civil rights that we are supposed to be protected by.

    For starters he voted for the well known Patriot Act (as well as its recent extension) which gives government authority for warrantless spying on Americans among other unconstitutional privacy evasive means.

    Also, more recently he signed H.R. 1540 NDAA act (National Defense Authorization Act) which gives the President and Military extraordinary unconstitutional powers to detain and torture Americans indefinitely without charge and without trial. This does not includes boundaries, detainment may be enforced on our home soil and away from the battlefield.

    The full bill
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    Paul Ryans Vote
    http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2011/h/375

    Just to add, he also voted NO to repeal indefinite detention. http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2012/h/270

    Voted YES on CISPA, the bill that attacks Internet liberty and the 1st amendment
    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3523/show

    This (and just a few examples) goes to show Paul Ryan is in full support of the Police State, tearing up the constitution and removing the civil liberties of Americans. He has also supported the creation of the TSA which is now being expanded all across the country outside of airports.

    He is a huge massive big time spender with support of wars such as Iraq, Lybia, Afghanistan and with his trend look for possible billions spent should we "officially" go to war in Iran. He will continue to support, spend and fuel the Military Industrial Complex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    So Im looking into Paul Ryan and here are a few issues that bother me on his voting record in regards to Constitutional law and the basic Constitutional civil rights that we are supposed to be protected by.

    For starters he voted for the well known Patriot Act (as well as its recent extension) which gives government authority for warrantless spying on Americans among other unconstitutional privacy evasive means.

    Also, more recently he signed H.R. 1540 NDAA act (National Defense Authorization Act) which gives the President and Military extraordinary unconstitutional powers to detain and torture Americans indefinitely without charge and without trial. This does not includes boundaries, detainment may be enforced on our home soil and away from the battlefield.

    The full bill
    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...2hr1540enr.pdf

    Paul Ryans Vote
    http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2011/h/375

    Just to add, he also voted NO to repeal indefinite detention. http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2012/h/270

    Voted YES on CISPA, the bill that attacks Internet liberty and the 1st amendment
    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3523/show

    This (and just a few examples) goes to show Paul Ryan is in full support of the Police State, tearing up the constitution and removing the civil liberties of Americans. He has also supported the creation of the TSA which is now being expanded all across the country outside of airports.

    He is a huge massive big time spender with support of wars such as Iraq, Lybia, Afghanistan and with his trend look for possible billions spent should we "officially" go to war in Iran. He will continue to support, spend and fuel the Military Industrial Complex.
    He is a typically republican spender, specifically defense spending. Where Obama is the typical democrat spender (social programs/entitlements).

    Both parties are interchangeable in the spending category, they just spend on different things. I still think Obama wins, but I do think that since Romney will be allowed to use the $ more on ads after the convention, Obama's record will come more under fire. Additionally, I am interested in seeing Ryan in the attack dog role. His interactions with Obama over the last few years have been quite intriguing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    He is a typically republican spender, specifically defense spending. Where Obama is the typical democrat spender (social programs/entitlements).

    Both parties are interchangeable in the spending category, they just spend on different things. I still think Obama wins, but I do think that since Romney will be allowed to use the $ more on ads after the convention, Obama's record will come more under fire. Additionally, I am interested in seeing Ryan in the attack dog role. His interactions with Obama over the last few years have been quite intriguing.
    Can we really say the Republicans are more into defense spending that Democrats?
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    Mitt requested several years of tax returns from Ryan. Mitt needs a lot more disclosure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Can we really say the Republicans are more into defense spending that Democrats?
    Ax, you are speaking more directly to the current administration as evidenced by this graph. When looking historically, my statement is correct. Look at the Clinton years and the cuts to military spending (right or wrong) and take a Reagan as the flip side.

    Additionally, we most also account for really foolish wars in recent years as part of this equation.
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    Mitt requested several years of tax returns from Ryan. Mitt needs a lot more disclosure.
    Why? He released the same amount as McCain 4 years ago. The whole tax return issue is so silly
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Ax, you are speaking more directly to the current administration as evidenced by this graph. When looking historically, my statement is correct. Look at the Clinton years and the cuts to military spending (right or wrong) and take a Reagan as the flip side.

    Additionally, we most also account for really foolish wars in recent years as part of this equation.

    Why? He released the same amount as McCain 4 years ago. The whole tax return issue is so silly
    You are correct, Clinton did cut defense spending but it wasnt anything significant, if I read correctly it was reduced by 16% which imo isnt significant, defense was just put on a short term sale. We really dunno how much is really spent under any administration anyways due to the black budgets so a decrease in defense can coincide with an increase in black budgets so we never know.

    We can look further back and history and see the biggest military spender by far was Liberal democrat Franklin Rosevelt, and liberal democrat LBJ launched the Vietnam War which also made increases in defense spending.

    The only point Im trying to make is (as you know as I repeat over and over, lol) there is no significance between the two parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    You are correct, Clinton did cut defense spending but it wasnt anything significant, if I read correctly it was reduced by 16% which imo isnt significant, defense was just put on a short term sale. We really dunno how much is really spent under any administration anyways due to the black budgets so a decrease in defense can coincide with an increase in black budgets so we never know.

    We can look further back and history and see the biggest military spender by far was Liberal democrat Franklin Rosevelt, and liberal democrat LBJ launched the Vietnam War which also made increases in defense spending.

    The only point Im trying to make is (as you know as I repeat over and over, lol) there is no significance between the two parties.
    16% is significant when you look at the total of the expenses. I do agree though, black projects are certainly things we cant account for. I had an interesting conversation with someone once who was a government contractor. Pretty eye opening

    It only makes sense that LBJ and FDR were huge in expenditures. You are right, there is not anything drastically different. they approach the issues with "different" words, but leave it the same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    16% is significant when you look at the total of the expenses. I do agree though, black projects are certainly things we cant account for. I had an interesting conversation with someone once who was a government contractor. Pretty eye opening

    It only makes sense that LBJ and FDR were huge in expenditures. You are right, there is not anything drastically different. they approach the issues with "different" words, but leave it the same way.
    edit, never-mind.

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    Huh...actually found something I highly respect and admire Paul Ryan about, he is a workout freak! Trains in (and I thought I heard he teaches) P90X too.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...kout-plan.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14
    Ax, you are speaking more directly to the current administration as evidenced by this graph. When looking historically, my statement is correct. Look at the Clinton years and the cuts to military spending (right or wrong) and take a Reagan as the flip side.

    Additionally, we most also account for really foolish wars in recent years as part of this equation.

    Why? He released the same amount as McCain 4 years ago. The whole tax return issue is so silly
    The tax thing is silly. People should be more pissed about how obama spends OUR money!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post
    The tax thing is silly. People should be more pissed about how obama spends OUR money!!
    That tax thing is silly, if Romney isnt paying income tax he isnt breaking Constitutional law. The dialogue should be the illegal income tax system as a whole, not Romney.

    Lets try not to (and I dont mean to tell you what to do, lol) get caught up with Obama and how he spends our money, if Romney was President the past 4 years nothing would really be different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1

    That tax thing is silly, if Romney isnt paying income tax he isnt breaking Constitutional law. The dialogue should be the illegal income tax system as a whole, not Romney.

    Lets try not to (and I dont mean to tell you what to do, lol) get caught up with Obama and how he spends our money, if Romney was President the past 4 years nothing would really be different.
    I don't think romney said "you didn't build that." Obama is anti business, sosicalist/ Communist mother fuker and USA should be embarrassed to have a moron like him as our president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494

    I don't think romney said "you didn't build that." Obama is anti business, sosicalist/ Communist mother fuker and USA should be embarrassed to have a moron like him as our president.
    Karl would be proud hearing him say "let's move forward....with shared prosperity"
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Huh...actually found something I highly respect and admire Paul Ryan about, he is a workout freak! Trains in (and I thought I heard he teaches) P90X too.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...kout-plan.html

    from what I read, the guy is 6=8% body fat

    I still dont think Romney/Ryan win, as I think regardless of how they try to get out in front of the "plan" the left will continue to play it as a destruction of medicare, even though Obamacare is far worse, which could cost him a swing state here or there. Americans in general are stupid and listen to the talking heads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14
    from what I read, the guy is 6=8% body fat

    I still dont think Romney/Ryan win, as I think regardless of how they try to get out in front of the "plan" the left will continue to play it as a destruction of medicare, even though Obamacare is far worse, which could cost him a swing state here or there. Americans in general are stupid and listen to the talking heads.
    I agree AE
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post
    I don't think romney said "you didn't build that." Obama is anti business, sosicalist/ Communist mother fuker and USA should be embarrassed to have a moron like him as our president.
    Yes I saw that speech, I didnt approve of the way that came across.

    Well...I dont think that was as bad as when he bowed down to communist dictator Hu Jintao and our wonderful compassionate oil King of Saudi Arabia.

    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    from what I read, the guy is 6=8% body fat

    I still dont think Romney/Ryan win, as I think regardless of how they try to get out in front of the "plan" the left will continue to play it as a destruction of medicare, even though Obamacare is far worse, which could cost him a swing state here or there. Americans in general are stupid and listen to the talking heads.
    I dont get it (well I do.) Romney passes approximately the same health care law that Obamacare is modeled after yet he preaches to repeal Obamacare on day 1, lol what a joke and people cheer Romney for those threats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpee View Post
    Karl would be proud hearing him say "let's move forward....with shared prosperity"
    Karl deep in his mind would be proud thinking how he made his Wall Street and Central Bank financers a crap load of money.
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    I dont get it (well I do.) Romney passes approximately the same health care law that Obamacare is modeled after yet he preaches to repeal Obamacare on day 1, lol what a joke and people cheer Romney for those threats.
    I actually like the way Romney has handled this. He offered it as a state option, not federal. Which is a huge distinction as a states rights issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I actually like the way Romney has handled this. He offered it as a state option, not federal. Which is a huge distinction as a states rights issue.
    Thats true. I like how the country is supposed to be set up as mini-countries which makes it more flexible for people to move should they not be compatible with local laws.
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    or open up health insurers across state lines..
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpee
    or open up health insurers across state lines..
    This... This should have been the first thing they tried
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I actually like the way Romney has handled this. He offered it as a state option, not federal. Which is a huge distinction as a states rights issue.
    Pretty much every Republican was for something like Obamacare until it was coming from Democrats. Then it magically became poison...but if it got proposed by Romney (or say McCain did when he won) they would lap it all up yummy yummy. Back to Ax's no significant difference between the two parties, certainly not fiscally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Pretty much every Republican was for something like Obamacare until it was coming from Democrats. Then it magically became poison...but if it got proposed by Romney (or say McCain did when he won) they would lap it all up yummy yummy. Back to Ax's no significant difference between the two parties, certainly not fiscally.
    I agree it is certainly a similar plan, however, there is a huge difference between mandating it for a nation than a state. The whole purpose of federal government (as written in the constitution) is to allow all powers not expressly given to the federal government to be granted to the state. I think Romneycare makes that hugely different. I dont agree with any form of socialized medicine for those over 21, but I think the comparison is entirely different. (damn, I sound too much like Ron Paul......Ax I know you are smiling)

    I do agree though, that Republicans would have loved it if they came out with it, and Democrats would have hated it then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Yes I saw that speech, I didnt approve of the way that came across.

    Well...I dont think that was as bad as when he bowed down to communist dictator Hu Jintao and our wonderful compassionate oil King of Saudi Arabia.
    What even went through his mind when he said that. So when immigrants came to america their hard work and determination didn't make them successful the government did?? i don't think so. whats next, every pound of muscle i put on the government helped me build that too. What a joke.

    He should have been impeached for that. they bow to us... we are the greatest nation on the planet. He makes us look weak and like we are the bad guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494

    What even went through his mind when he said that. So when immigrants came to america their hard work and determination didn't make them successful the government did?? i don't think so. whats next, every pound of muscle i put on the government helped me build that too. What a joke.

    He should have been impeached for that. they bow to us... we are the greatest nation on the planet. He makes us look weak and like we are the bad guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post
    What even went through his mind when he said that. So when immigrants came to america their hard work and determination didn't make them successful the government did?? i don't think so. whats next, every pound of muscle i put on the government helped me build that too. What a joke.

    He should have been impeached for that. they bow to us... we are the greatest nation on the planet. He makes us look weak and like we are the bad guys.
    His opinion and freedom of speech are not impeachable offenses. His policies are. He took oath of office to protect the Constitution and he has ripped it to shreds which his police state policies, stripping of our basic rights and liberties with the extension of the Patriot Act, NDAA act, National Resources Separateness Act, etc...and his cooperation with the UN to grant him war authorities without seeking congressional approval and much more.
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