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    Anyone think obama will get re elected?

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    I think it will be extremely close. I also think it doesn't really matter. Romney and Obama will largely pursue the same type of policies with slightly different flavors. Both will explode the deficit, both will be ready to bomb brown people, both will increase "security" (decrease civil rights) because of the fear of terror.

    Until this country gets a legitimate third party we are pretty much screwed. The two in power rotate it back and forth. We get mad at Democrats and hire Republicans, then we get mad at them and hire Democrats. The extremely wealthy control both parties and bend them to their will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Football12
    Anyone think obama will get re elected?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce
    I think it will be extremely close. I also think it doesn't really matter. Romney and Obama will largely pursue the same type of policies with slightly different flavors. Both will explode the deficit, both will be ready to bomb brown people, both will increase "security" (decrease civil rights) because of the fear of terror.

    Until this country gets a legitimate third party we are pretty much screwed. The two in power rotate it back and forth. We get mad at Democrats and hire Republicans, then we get mad at them and hire Democrats. The extremely wealthy control both parties and bend them to their will.
    So Geoforce you don't think Romney would be at least be a better choice than Obama?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Football12 View Post
    So Geoforce you don't think Romney would be at least be a better choice than Obama?
    I don't know. Look at the differences between Obama and GWB. Not a whole lot of them. I suppose it depends on how much BS Romney is currently selling that you're buying. You're talking about a guy who has flip flopped so often it's hard to keep track of what he originally thought. Republicans constantly run on small government, but would you call Bush small government? Heck Reagan exploded the deficit and he's supposed to be some conservative god! Make no mistake about it Republicans desire to control your life and force their beliefs on you just like Democrats do.

    It's probably a little akin to wondering if you'd rather die by rats eating you alive or pigs eating you alive. One might be slightly better than the other, but I'm pretty sure the overall experience is the same.
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    Good points, thanks for your input, if not romney or obama who do you think would be a good president for this country and why? (Just curious)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Football12 View Post
    Good points, thanks for your input, if not romney or obama who do you think would be a good president for this country and why? (Just curious)
    Well it WILL be one of those two. I don't know who would be a good president for this country though I admit I like a lot of the things Ron Paul says.

    Personally I want someone who keeps my taxes relatively low and stays out of my business and the business of bombing civilians overseas. I want someone who won't force their religion or morals on me and lets me do what I want as long as I'm not harming others. Sounds a lot like freedom I guess
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    Obama will be elected 100% guaranteed.

    My reason is that Romney is his clone and there is no significant difference between the two. Both are funded by the same people. Regardless who wins the same path of war mongering, police state, big bank/corporations evil policies will continue.
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    It's hard for me to decide on this topic because I'm not a Romney fan. Nor an Obama fan. I wanted Herman Cain and he dropped out cuz ex gfs exploits him. I liked I liked the catholic guy who jus dropped out (with the disabled child, name completely slips my mind). But then he dropped out. I would prefer not to vote however that doesn't help me at all. Plus, the new healthcare policy scares me since I'm a nurse
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    Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2 View Post
    It's hard for me to decide on this topic because I'm not a Romney fan. Nor an Obama fan. I wanted Herman Cain and he dropped out cuz ex gfs exploits him. I liked I liked the catholic guy who jus dropped out (with the disabled child, name completely slips my mind). But then he dropped out. I would prefer not to vote however that doesn't help me at all. Plus, the new healthcare policy scares me since I'm a nurse
    You're thinking Rick Santorum. Politics is a funny thing, he scared me more than any of them...but I'm not a religious guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Well it WILL be one of those two. I don't know who would be a good president for this country though I admit I like a lot of the things Ron Paul says.

    Personally I want someone who keeps my taxes relatively low and stays out of my business and the business of bombing civilians overseas. I want someone who won't force their religion or morals on me and lets me do what I want as long as I'm not harming others. Sounds a lot like freedom I guess
    I'm with you on Ron Paul.

    10/4 on the freedom thing! It used to be that way - where we could do whatever we wanted so long as we didn't harm anyone else in the process. "love you neighbor as yourself". Such a simple way of life it was...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Football12 View Post
    So Geoforce you don't think Romney would be at least be a better choice than Obama?
    romney is slightly more likely to be pro-growth, also he is nowhere near the politician / marketer of himself that Obama is.

    That combination is marginally better, as he's a little less likely to fool as many people as Obama does, and a little more likely to create a little more growth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    romney is slightly more likely to be pro-growth, also he is nowhere near the politician / marketer of himself that Obama is.

    That combination is marginally better, as he's a little less likely to fool as many people as Obama does, and a little more likely to create a little more growth.
    I agree. His agenda might be the same but his policies would work out to be a better economical situation for the country. His approach is more palatable to me personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    I agree. His agenda might be the same but his policies would work out to be a better economical situation for the country. His approach is more palatable to me personally.
    i'm not sure its enough to make much difference, the lack of marketing ability is more of a plus to me.

    I am completely 100% totally tired of Obama's ability to do something 180 degrees from what he says he will do, get no major media flack for it, then reiterate his original position and have people buy it. Its insane that anyone believes a word he says. I'd prefer Romney for that reason as he won't get that free pass
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    romney is slightly more likely to be pro-growth, also he is nowhere near the politician / marketer of himself that Obama is.

    That combination is marginally better, as he's a little less likely to fool as many people as Obama does, and a little more likely to create a little more growth.
    I have no big hopes for Mitt, but obviously no big hopes for Obama either. In all honesty I would prefer that the winner is the opposite of the party who controls Congress. Control of the executive branch and control of the legislative branch doesn't work out well very often for the country. But I expect Mitt will basically be George W. Bush without the stupidity of screwing up the English language so often.

    Although how the heck can anyone know what Mitt stands for? Are we getting the Mitt of 6 years ago or the Mitt of the Republican primary? They are almost polar opposites.

    I can get excited for Obama leaving, but if Mitt is the replacement well I can't help but think it isn't much of an upgrade in the least bit. Here's hoping I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Although how the heck can anyone know what Mitt stands for? Are we getting the Mitt of 6 years ago or the Mitt of the Republican primary? They are almost polar opposites.
    well, we don't know what Obama we'll be getting either, he even made the open mike statements "once I get re-elected, the gloves are off" so god only knows his plans
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    I have no big hopes for Mitt, but obviously no big hopes for Obama either. In all honesty I would prefer that the winner is the opposite of the party who controls Congress. Control of the executive branch and control of the legislative branch doesn't work out well very often for the country. But I expect Mitt will basically be George W. Bush without the stupidity of screwing up the English language so often.

    Although how the heck can anyone know what Mitt stands for? Are we getting the Mitt of 6 years ago or the Mitt of the Republican primary? They are almost polar opposites.

    I can get excited for Obama leaving, but if Mitt is the replacement well I can't help but think it isn't much of an upgrade in the least bit. Here's hoping I'm wrong.
    You know, I have to agree completely. I personally was worried that we'd receive a gridlock in Congress if Mitt gets in, trying to do things that opposes the Democratic way.

    In all reality, I just want the Feds to go away. I want them to not exist in my daily, personal life. If they have a gridlock on every single issue or point, nothing happens in Congress. Meanwhile, the rest of the country goes about living without the would be additional regulations imposed on us. The way I see it - Congress needs to get nothing done because that means we can at least not have it any worse than it already is.

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    I like Ron Paul and also like Herman Cain. No way I'll vote for Obama, but I don't really like Mitt either. I hate politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    well, we don't know what Obama we'll be getting either, he even made the open mike statements "once I get re-elected, the gloves are off" so god only knows his plans
    Oh of course not and I'm not trying to argue we do. Honestly either of them in office makes me want to puke my guts out. We should expect our politicians not to do what they say, heck W ran on small government. Acting as if we have any clue on what either will do based on what they say is completely laughable.

    I'm just a bit saddened that this should be an election where smaller government matters. We've had huge government and a lot of people seem not to like it. And the Republicans run the class of clowns to take on Obama and someone who has a history of governing via big government.

    I just can't bring myself to hold my nose and vote for the guy. In the past I would have. I would rather vote for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell and feel good about my vote. Romney will carry my state big time anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce

    You're thinking Rick Santorum. Politics is a funny thing, he scared me more than any of them...but I'm not a religious guy.

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    I say Obama loses. Look at his showings in recent democratic primaries, against "uncommitted" in one state, and barely beating a convicted felon that is currently in federal prison in WV. I say he loses the election, but something happens and he declares martial law and wont leave office. Or he does it and the election doesn't happen. Either way, he wont be re-elected, but wont give it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post
    I say Obama loses. Look at his showings in recent democratic primaries, against "uncommitted" in one state, and barely beating a convicted felon that is currently in federal prison in WV. I say he loses the election, but something happens and he declares martial law and wont leave office. Or he does it and the election doesn't happen. Either way, he wont be re-elected, but wont give it up.
    Lol, this has no chance of happening. Absolutely zero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post
    I say Obama loses. Look at his showings in recent democratic primaries, against "uncommitted" in one state, and barely beating a convicted felon that is currently in federal prison in WV. I say he loses the election, but something happens and he declares martial law and wont leave office. Or he does it and the election doesn't happen. Either way, he wont be re-elected, but wont give it up.
    Where do you come up with this stuff? Is this really Mel Gibson?
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    If he's in office for another 4 years, then God help us. As a healthcare professional I can tell you Obamacare is not only going to destroy small businesses but will be a death sentence for anyone over the age of 75. Medicaid will no longer pay for dyalisis and other treatments? So not being able to afford dyalisis will now be a death sentence? People that have been paying in taxes for 75 years will be sent home to die? No, that's not his decision. Another thing, I'm sure you've seen how he was all for cutting military benefits and pay, but at the same time he is all for giving healthcare to illegal aliens? So if someone crosses the border and gets hurt in America they are entitled to healthcare, but hard-working men and women that are here legally and work legally cannot? Also, this country depends on its natural resources. Cutting jobs in the gas, oil and goal industry is NOT going to create jobs it will DESTROY them. We need our natural resources and if he doesn't understand that it's just another reason that supports he's in the wrong line of work. ROMNEY all the way for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post
    I say Obama loses. Look at his showings in recent democratic primaries, against "uncommitted" in one state, and barely beating a convicted felon that is currently in federal prison in WV. I say he loses the election, but something happens and he declares martial law and wont leave office. Or he does it and the election doesn't happen. Either way, he wont be re-elected, but wont give it up.
    That's because he's trying to put nearly the entire state of West Virginia on the unemployment list. I have family in West Virginia and 90% of the employment in that state revolves around coal. Not to mention 50% of our nations electricity is from coal. He doesn't understand how many people he's going to put on the unemployment list by shutting down coal companies or how much the prices of electricity and steel will incline after he does manage to do that.

    He's wanting to put natural gas and oil away too. There are tons of oil rigs here in Tennessee and infact, my neighbor works on one of them. The future of he and his children pretty much depend on whether or not Obama is re-elected. His job that he has done for 8 years will be gone and his usual $7,000 a month salary will go to a much smaller salary.

    We've done just fine the past 100 years, I say Obama can keep his change.
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    His green job thing is a bunch a of bullsh!t

    I was watching fox news today. You should have heard the jobs they consider green... It's an absolute joke!
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    Romney 52%
    Obama 48%
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerman2000 View Post
    Romney 52%
    Obama 48%
    i still don't understand how obama has such a high approval rating... its pretty sickening
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post
    i still don't understand how obama has such a high approval rating... its pretty sickening
    Think of consumer goods...such as cars. Lets take Ford for example...with such a terrible history in recent years, with proper financing of marketing and advertising people still go out and buy them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerman2000 View Post
    Romney 52%
    Obama 48%
    So Romney is currently in the lead?

    And Obama has a high amount of % voting for him, because in a crowded room if you don't vote for him you are automatically considered a racist. The other day I had someone accuse me of being racist and it was anti-American of me to not vote for Obama. My response was "do you see that USMC sign on my truck?" He said "yeah". I said "I spent 7 months in Afghanistan, so am I still being anti-American?" I think that usually shuts people like that up for me anyway but there is a nurse at the hospital that accuses everyone of being racist because they aren't voting for Obama. It's a shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Think of consumer goods...such as cars. Lets take Ford for example...with such a terrible history in recent years, with proper financing of marketing and advertising people still go out and buy them.
    What the hell are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingk0ng View Post
    So Romney is currently in the lead?

    And Obama has a high amount of % voting for him, because in a crowded room if you don't vote for him you are automatically considered a racist. The other day I had someone accuse me of being racist and it was anti-American of me to not vote for Obama. My response was "do you see that USMC sign on my truck?" He said "yeah". I said "I spent 7 months in Afghanistan, so am I still being anti-American?" I think that usually shuts people like that up for me anyway but there is a nurse at the hospital that accuses everyone of being racist because they aren't voting for Obama. It's a shame.
    These people play the race card because they have nothing else to use to persuade people that Obama deserves our votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerman2000 View Post
    What the hell are you talking about?
    The American people through the media, internet and television are sold on the presidential candidates. It has nothing to do with who is most qualified or giving people real choices. People (most) in the end will vote for crap and choose between coke and pepsi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Think of consumer goods...such as cars. Lets take Ford for example...with such a terrible history in recent years, with proper financing of marketing and advertising people still go out and buy them.
    good example. but don't people what good news channels...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1

    Think of consumer goods...such as cars. Lets take Ford for example...with such a terrible history in recent years, with proper financing of marketing and advertising people still go out and buy them.
    I thought gm was worse then ford??
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerman2000 View Post
    These people play the race card because they have nothing else to use to persuade people that Obama deserves our votes.
    You are exactly right about that.
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    I thought gm was worse then ford??
    Lets not forget Ford was the only one between Dodge and Chevy that didn't file bankruptcy. Personally, I switched to a Chevy Silverado about a month ago and I just spent an hour at a dealership today wanting to trade it in for a Ford F150. I think Ford is dominating the competition right now, JMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post
    I thought gm was worse then ford??
    Exactly...typical voting is based on what you think may not be as bad as the other. One brand is slightly better and it gives you that false sense of hope.
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    Here is how democrats get votes:

    1.) circle jerk with the unions. This is criminal racketeering.
    2.) yell racism.
    3.) play class warfare.
    4.) guberment handouts (50% of people pay no fed taxes!)
    5.) get illegals to vote.

    This is all for the elitist lefties power to force control over everyone. Odumbo is their king.
  

  
 

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