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  1. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Think of consumer goods...such as cars. Lets take Ford for example...with such a terrible history in recent years, with proper financing of marketing and advertising people still go out and buy them.
    What the hell are you talking about?
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by kingk0ng View Post
    So Romney is currently in the lead?

    And Obama has a high amount of % voting for him, because in a crowded room if you don't vote for him you are automatically considered a racist. The other day I had someone accuse me of being racist and it was anti-American of me to not vote for Obama. My response was "do you see that USMC sign on my truck?" He said "yeah". I said "I spent 7 months in Afghanistan, so am I still being anti-American?" I think that usually shuts people like that up for me anyway but there is a nurse at the hospital that accuses everyone of being racist because they aren't voting for Obama. It's a shame.
    These people play the race card because they have nothing else to use to persuade people that Obama deserves our votes.

  3. Quote Originally Posted by powerman2000 View Post
    What the hell are you talking about?
    The American people through the media, internet and television are sold on the presidential candidates. It has nothing to do with who is most qualified or giving people real choices. People (most) in the end will vote for crap and choose between coke and pepsi.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Think of consumer goods...such as cars. Lets take Ford for example...with such a terrible history in recent years, with proper financing of marketing and advertising people still go out and buy them.
    good example. but don't people what good news channels...
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by ax1

    Think of consumer goods...such as cars. Lets take Ford for example...with such a terrible history in recent years, with proper financing of marketing and advertising people still go out and buy them.
    I thought gm was worse then ford??

  6. Quote Originally Posted by powerman2000 View Post
    These people play the race card because they have nothing else to use to persuade people that Obama deserves our votes.
    You are exactly right about that.
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  7. I thought gm was worse then ford??
    Lets not forget Ford was the only one between Dodge and Chevy that didn't file bankruptcy. Personally, I switched to a Chevy Silverado about a month ago and I just spent an hour at a dealership today wanting to trade it in for a Ford F150. I think Ford is dominating the competition right now, JMO.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post
    I thought gm was worse then ford??
    Exactly...typical voting is based on what you think may not be as bad as the other. One brand is slightly better and it gives you that false sense of hope.
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  9. Here is how democrats get votes:

    1.) circle jerk with the unions. This is criminal racketeering.
    2.) yell racism.
    3.) play class warfare.
    4.) guberment handouts (50% of people pay no fed taxes!)
    5.) get illegals to vote.

    This is all for the elitist lefties power to force control over everyone. Odumbo is their king.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by dallasboy22 View Post
    Here is how democrats get votes:

    1.) circle jerk with the unions. This is criminal racketeering.
    2.) yell racism.
    3.) play class warfare.
    4.) guberment handouts (50% of people pay no fed taxes!)
    5.) get illegals to vote.

    This is all for the elitist lefties power to force control over everyone. Odumbo is their king.

    hhahahahaha yes! so true

  11. Quote Originally Posted by kingk0ng View Post
    Lets not forget Ford was the only one between Dodge and Chevy that didn't file bankruptcy. Personally, I switched to a Chevy Silverado about a month ago and I just spent an hour at a dealership today wanting to trade it in for a Ford F150. I think Ford is dominating the competition right now, JMO.
    None of that actually has anything to do with the quality of GM, Ford or Chrysler products.
    They are all very well built cars and to use them in the example as was done earlier is totally unfair.

  12. This thread is strong with conservatives.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by powerman2000 View Post
    This thread is strong with conservatives.
    Im not a conservative at all.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by powerman2000 View Post
    None of that actually has anything to do with the quality of GM, Ford or Chrysler products.
    They are all very well built cars and to use them in the example as was done earlier is totally unfair.
    Some are built well, but all in all the past 30 years they have been a huge disappointment in the reliability department.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by powerman2000 View Post
    None of that actually has anything to do with the quality of GM, Ford or Chrysler products.
    They are all very well built cars and to use them in the example as was done earlier is totally unfair.
    I agree with what you're saying, I was just stating that Ford was the only company that didn't file bankruptcy. I agree that GM, Ford and Dodge are all great vehicles. People have their preference and they know they prefer why. My high school graduation present was a Dodge Ram 1500 and to this day it was the best truck I've ever had, but I'm not a big dodge man. My wife had a Ford Focus up until a couple of weeks and we loved it, but my dads Silverado 2500 is probably the strongest truck I've ever drove. It's all in your preference, but I do prefer Fords.

    I am conservative to say the least, in most ways anyway. I don't agree with every single thing that either party says, but I agree more with conservative views than liberal.
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  16. Really, you are actually going to use a span of years as long as 30 to judge the last few years as you did in your earlier post?

    ALL auto makers have made huge strides in improving their cars in the last 10 years. They all sucked in the 1970 and 1980s, and now they are all very well built.

    Your opinion, I believe is not based on anything tangible or concrete.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Im not a conservative at all.
    I wasn't referring to you.

  18. Edit: Post wasn't to me.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by powerman2000 View Post
    Really, you are actually going to use a span of years as long as 30 to judge the last few years as you did in your earlier post?

    ALL auto makers have made huge strides in improving their cars in the last 10 years. They all sucked in the 1970 and 1980s, and now they are all very well built.

    Your opinion, I believe is not based on anything tangible or concrete.
    Well, Id say your right and Im wrong. I do believe all in all American cars have improved. The 80's and was the worst imo. Chrystler has been a nightmare as of recent. I still dont think they are to the standards of companies such as Honda and Toyota, but there are good American options these days.

    I do own an American car by the way, but I do my research and make sure I have a better than average one.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by kingk0ng View Post
    Huh?



    What's your point?

    He was talking to me, lol
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    He was talking to me, lol
    Yeah, I just went back and re-read that and saw he was talking to you. I didn't see your posts before and I thought he and I were the only ones participating in a discussion about automobiles until I saw you were too. My bad. I edited my post. :P
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  22. I'm just bummed the choice comes down to Obama and Romney. I'm not exactly eager to give the Republicans another shot. After all a lot of what's made Obama bad is continuing already horrible policies from Bush 2. Romney has never been small government and he's talking a different tune now, but he's a typical "conservative." Run on small government and legislate like government has all the answers. He hasn't exactly been out talking about ending the failed drug war, rolling back the Patriot Act, decreasing the defense budget, dialing back the police state or anything that makes me think "freedom." Some of the biggest government acts of the past 30 years have come from "conservatives." I don't even know what that word means anymore.

    Seems a lot of people want to vote against Obama and I certainly get that, but do people actually think Mitt's going to be much better? Based on what exactly? It may be the coup of the century that a man who basically originated Obamacare gets voted in to replace it. And here's betting all those things conservatives used to be for (many of Obamacare's ideas were championed by previous conservatives) that said no way when it was Obama change their tune when it's Romney. It's going to be win win for the status quo no matter who comes out on top.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    I'm just bummed the choice comes down to Obama and Romney.
    There are other choices, other options such as this http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/ ...Im investigating him not saying Im voting for him as of yet.

    The sad sad fact is, the way the corporations run the government, only the Republicrats will win but people can vote for non-republicrats. We can really blame people as much as I blame the illegal crooks running everything. It seems like majority of society loves endless wars, police state, having their money stolen as well as deflated, etc....
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  24. Why are you all smashing down on conservatives? Look what your liberal has done in the past 4 years, absolutely nothing. I'd rather have a conservative President any day of the week. At least they're not baby murderers and actually believe in working for a living.

    I happen to think Mitt Romney would be a very good choice, considering he is for oil, gas and coal operations which are the countries natural resources and not only requires less spending, opens more jobs, but also makes things like electricity and fuel costs much cheaper. Take a look at the Massachusetts unemployment rate during the Romney administration, it dropped from 5.6 to 4.7%. Want to know Obamas unemployment record? It's over 8%. I think the choice is obvious.
    Former Marine, UT-BSN, NSCA-CPT, NASM-CPT, CSCS

  25. Quote Originally Posted by kingk0ng View Post
    Why are you all smashing down on conservatives? Look what your liberal has done in the past 4 years, absolutely nothing. I'd rather have a conservative President any day of the week. At least they're not baby murderers and actually believe in working for a living.

    I happen to think Mitt Romney would be a very good choice, considering he is for oil, gas and coal operations which are the countries natural resources and not only requires less spending, opens more jobs, but also makes things like electricity and fuel costs much cheaper. Take a look at the Massachusetts unemployment rate during the Romney administration, it dropped from 5.6 to 4.7%. Want to know Obamas unemployment record? It's over 8%. I think the choice is obvious.
    All parties and groups get infiltrated by mega-corporations. We need to abolish political parties. All you end up with is blind votes...conservatives to to the voting booth and hit all the blueswitches, and liberals go to the booth and just trigger all the red switches. Its really a silly process, people think they are voting for something different when both are being funded by the same people (such as Goldman Sacchs for example funds both Romney and Obama.)

    When we go to the voting booth, there shouldnt be any tags of gang symbols because thats what they all are, or eventually become.
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  26. I think American couldn't have went wrong with Donald Trump. I mean the guy has went in and out of bankruptcy on three different occasions. Financially, there's no one, IMO, that could do better than him. I mean the guy is a financial genius and millionaire because of it. I think Trump would have been a great selection.
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by powerman2000
    This thread is strong with conservatives.
    fiscal conservative, yes.

    social issues shouldn't even be debated by the federal govt.

    progressive presidents have been calamities.
    not to mention, liberals these days fail to realize their "democratic" party is now aligned with the European socialists....which has never worked, they all spend into oblivion.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post
    i still don't understand how obama has such a high approval rating... its pretty sickening
    It resembles the 43% of the population that pay no income tax.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post
    It resembles the 43% of the population that pay no income tax.
    There shouldnt be income tax, its ownership of the people by the goverment. Its not what a free society is supposed to be, man should own the fruits of his own laborm income tax is a form of slavery.

    Obama supports income tax laws which is why I dont understand why anybody who already ditch income tax would vote for him as he has been expanding the IRS with the health care bill.
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