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    Quote Originally Posted by dallasboy22 View Post
    Here is how democrats get votes:

    1.) circle jerk with the unions. This is criminal racketeering.
    2.) yell racism.
    3.) play class warfare.
    4.) guberment handouts (50% of people pay no fed taxes!)
    5.) get illegals to vote.

    This is all for the elitist lefties power to force control over everyone. Odumbo is their king.

    hhahahahaha yes! so true

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingk0ng View Post
    Lets not forget Ford was the only one between Dodge and Chevy that didn't file bankruptcy. Personally, I switched to a Chevy Silverado about a month ago and I just spent an hour at a dealership today wanting to trade it in for a Ford F150. I think Ford is dominating the competition right now, JMO.
    None of that actually has anything to do with the quality of GM, Ford or Chrysler products.
    They are all very well built cars and to use them in the example as was done earlier is totally unfair.
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    This thread is strong with conservatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerman2000 View Post
    This thread is strong with conservatives.
    Im not a conservative at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerman2000 View Post
    None of that actually has anything to do with the quality of GM, Ford or Chrysler products.
    They are all very well built cars and to use them in the example as was done earlier is totally unfair.
    Some are built well, but all in all the past 30 years they have been a huge disappointment in the reliability department.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerman2000 View Post
    None of that actually has anything to do with the quality of GM, Ford or Chrysler products.
    They are all very well built cars and to use them in the example as was done earlier is totally unfair.
    I agree with what you're saying, I was just stating that Ford was the only company that didn't file bankruptcy. I agree that GM, Ford and Dodge are all great vehicles. People have their preference and they know they prefer why. My high school graduation present was a Dodge Ram 1500 and to this day it was the best truck I've ever had, but I'm not a big dodge man. My wife had a Ford Focus up until a couple of weeks and we loved it, but my dads Silverado 2500 is probably the strongest truck I've ever drove. It's all in your preference, but I do prefer Fords.

    I am conservative to say the least, in most ways anyway. I don't agree with every single thing that either party says, but I agree more with conservative views than liberal.
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    Really, you are actually going to use a span of years as long as 30 to judge the last few years as you did in your earlier post?

    ALL auto makers have made huge strides in improving their cars in the last 10 years. They all sucked in the 1970 and 1980s, and now they are all very well built.

    Your opinion, I believe is not based on anything tangible or concrete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Im not a conservative at all.
    I wasn't referring to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerman2000 View Post
    Really, you are actually going to use a span of years as long as 30 to judge the last few years as you did in your earlier post?

    ALL auto makers have made huge strides in improving their cars in the last 10 years. They all sucked in the 1970 and 1980s, and now they are all very well built.

    Your opinion, I believe is not based on anything tangible or concrete.
    Well, Id say your right and Im wrong. I do believe all in all American cars have improved. The 80's and was the worst imo. Chrystler has been a nightmare as of recent. I still dont think they are to the standards of companies such as Honda and Toyota, but there are good American options these days.

    I do own an American car by the way, but I do my research and make sure I have a better than average one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingk0ng View Post
    Huh?



    What's your point?

    He was talking to me, lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    He was talking to me, lol
    Yeah, I just went back and re-read that and saw he was talking to you. I didn't see your posts before and I thought he and I were the only ones participating in a discussion about automobiles until I saw you were too. My bad. I edited my post. :P
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    I'm just bummed the choice comes down to Obama and Romney. I'm not exactly eager to give the Republicans another shot. After all a lot of what's made Obama bad is continuing already horrible policies from Bush 2. Romney has never been small government and he's talking a different tune now, but he's a typical "conservative." Run on small government and legislate like government has all the answers. He hasn't exactly been out talking about ending the failed drug war, rolling back the Patriot Act, decreasing the defense budget, dialing back the police state or anything that makes me think "freedom." Some of the biggest government acts of the past 30 years have come from "conservatives." I don't even know what that word means anymore.

    Seems a lot of people want to vote against Obama and I certainly get that, but do people actually think Mitt's going to be much better? Based on what exactly? It may be the coup of the century that a man who basically originated Obamacare gets voted in to replace it. And here's betting all those things conservatives used to be for (many of Obamacare's ideas were championed by previous conservatives) that said no way when it was Obama change their tune when it's Romney. It's going to be win win for the status quo no matter who comes out on top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    I'm just bummed the choice comes down to Obama and Romney.
    There are other choices, other options such as this http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/ ...Im investigating him not saying Im voting for him as of yet.

    The sad sad fact is, the way the corporations run the government, only the Republicrats will win but people can vote for non-republicrats. We can really blame people as much as I blame the illegal crooks running everything. It seems like majority of society loves endless wars, police state, having their money stolen as well as deflated, etc....
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    Why are you all smashing down on conservatives? Look what your liberal has done in the past 4 years, absolutely nothing. I'd rather have a conservative President any day of the week. At least they're not baby murderers and actually believe in working for a living.

    I happen to think Mitt Romney would be a very good choice, considering he is for oil, gas and coal operations which are the countries natural resources and not only requires less spending, opens more jobs, but also makes things like electricity and fuel costs much cheaper. Take a look at the Massachusetts unemployment rate during the Romney administration, it dropped from 5.6 to 4.7%. Want to know Obamas unemployment record? It's over 8%. I think the choice is obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingk0ng View Post
    Why are you all smashing down on conservatives? Look what your liberal has done in the past 4 years, absolutely nothing. I'd rather have a conservative President any day of the week. At least they're not baby murderers and actually believe in working for a living.

    I happen to think Mitt Romney would be a very good choice, considering he is for oil, gas and coal operations which are the countries natural resources and not only requires less spending, opens more jobs, but also makes things like electricity and fuel costs much cheaper. Take a look at the Massachusetts unemployment rate during the Romney administration, it dropped from 5.6 to 4.7%. Want to know Obamas unemployment record? It's over 8%. I think the choice is obvious.
    All parties and groups get infiltrated by mega-corporations. We need to abolish political parties. All you end up with is blind votes...conservatives to to the voting booth and hit all the blueswitches, and liberals go to the booth and just trigger all the red switches. Its really a silly process, people think they are voting for something different when both are being funded by the same people (such as Goldman Sacchs for example funds both Romney and Obama.)

    When we go to the voting booth, there shouldnt be any tags of gang symbols because thats what they all are, or eventually become.
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    I think American couldn't have went wrong with Donald Trump. I mean the guy has went in and out of bankruptcy on three different occasions. Financially, there's no one, IMO, that could do better than him. I mean the guy is a financial genius and millionaire because of it. I think Trump would have been a great selection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerman2000
    This thread is strong with conservatives.
    fiscal conservative, yes.

    social issues shouldn't even be debated by the federal govt.

    progressive presidents have been calamities.
    not to mention, liberals these days fail to realize their "democratic" party is now aligned with the European socialists....which has never worked, they all spend into oblivion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494 View Post
    i still don't understand how obama has such a high approval rating... its pretty sickening
    It resembles the 43% of the population that pay no income tax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post
    It resembles the 43% of the population that pay no income tax.
    There shouldnt be income tax, its ownership of the people by the goverment. Its not what a free society is supposed to be, man should own the fruits of his own laborm income tax is a form of slavery.

    Obama supports income tax laws which is why I dont understand why anybody who already ditch income tax would vote for him as he has been expanding the IRS with the health care bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    I'm just bummed the choice comes down to Obama and Romney. I'm not exactly eager to give the Republicans another shot. After all a lot of what's made Obama bad is continuing already horrible policies from Bush 2. Romney has never been small government and he's talking a different tune now, but he's a typical "conservative." Run on small government and legislate like government has all the answers. He hasn't exactly been out talking about ending the failed drug war, rolling back the Patriot Act, decreasing the defense budget, dialing back the police state or anything that makes me think "freedom." Some of the biggest government acts of the past 30 years have come from "conservatives." I don't even know what that word means anymore.

    Seems a lot of people want to vote against Obama and I certainly get that, but do people actually think Mitt's going to be much better? Based on what exactly? It may be the coup of the century that a man who basically originated Obamacare gets voted in to replace it. And here's betting all those things conservatives used to be for (many of Obamacare's ideas were championed by previous conservatives) that said no way when it was Obama change their tune when it's Romney. It's going to be win win for the status quo no matter who comes out on top.
    To say I am cautiously optimistic about Romney is an understatement, but there's no way he can be worse than Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerman2000 View Post
    To say I am cautiously optimistic about Romney is an understatement, but there's no way he can be worse than Obama.
    Perhaps. But 4 years from now will it be "he/she" can't be worse than Romney? The two party system dominated by corporate interests is killing us. It's laughable to me that people see a huge difference between left and right. George W. Bush and Obama have been almost clones and Romney isn't exactly out saying he will change much. Oh he's barking, but specifics are light. Anyone can say they are going to cut government, cut the deficit (if you remember both GWB AND Obama said it), but when push comes to shove Obama didn't, Bush 2 and 1 didn't, Reagan didn't, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Perhaps. But 4 years from now will it be "he/she" can't be worse than Romney? The two party system dominated by corporate interests is killing us. It's laughable to me that people see a huge difference between left and right. George W. Bush and Obama have been almost clones and Romney isn't exactly out saying he will change much. Oh he's barking, but specifics are light. Anyone can say they are going to cut government, cut the deficit (if you remember both GWB AND Obama said it), but when push comes to shove Obama didn't, Bush 2 and 1 didn't, Reagan didn't, etc.
    Have you ever seen Massachusetts unemployment % since the Romney administration began? It declined. Have you seen the unemployment rate for the US since Obama got in office? Above 8%. Obama has spent more than all the other Presidents combined. I, for one, have a lot of confidence in Mitt Romney and I think he would make a great President, but powerman2000 is completely correct. Even if Romney isn't a phenomenal President, anyone just about would be better than who we have now.
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    The problem for those that don't want Obama, yet feel Romney is no different, is there is no one else when in the game. Im sure Gary Johnson would be great for the job, but he doesn't have a chance in bell of winning. Period, end of story. Folks say the best we can hope for is taking the Senate in order to slow sown Obama. But the problem is there is already gridlock and nothing getting done in Congress now. Obama has made Congress irrelevant already by using his czars to make regulations to do everything he wants. Look at the EPA destroying energy companies, even after a court ruled the moratorium on drilling was illegal. So the rolled back the moratorium, yet the EPA refuses to grant new permits through regulation.

    So its about more than just Romney signing Romneycare. The difference was as be has said, states' rights vs federal over reaching. The states have the right to do what they want. Look at California. $16B in the hole, yet Brown is full steam ahead just like Obama. If you live there, you deserve it. Romney has said all along that the federal government mandating he healthcare issue is unconstitutional. But he states can do it if the people vote for it.
    Even if Romney is a big government guy, he is still nothing like Obama. Obama is way behind just big government. Obama is leaking national security details to the NY times. He has thrown allies under the bus in order to please dictators. He has compromised our security by giving secrets to Russia about missile defense. Hell he was recorder telling Medvedev that after his election he will be able to be more flexible. He is he'll bent on remaking America in his socialist image. At least Romney loves what America is about and what it stands for.

    If you don't want Obama again, don't waste your vote and our country by voting for someone that can't win.
    The purpose of the primaries is to get your guy on the ticket into the big dance. Just like March Madness, there is only 2 teams in the finals. You can't cheer foe a team that didn't make it. As far as I am concerned, Johnson being in the ticket has as much chance as Rosanne Barr does running for the green party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Perhaps. But 4 years from now will it be "he/she" can't be worse than Romney?
    That remains to be seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingk0ng View Post
    Have you ever seen Massachusetts unemployment % since the Romney administration began? It declined. Have you seen the unemployment rate for the US since Obama got in office? Above 8%. Obama has spent more than all the other Presidents combined. I, for one, have a lot of confidence in Mitt Romney and I think he would make a great President, but powerman2000 is completely correct. Even if Romney isn't a phenomenal President, anyone just about would be better than who we have now.
    I would have rather had Hillary Clinton over Obama.
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    I think Mitt Romney will do a fantastic job. Look at Massachusetts unemployment rate during the Romney administration. The fact that he is for natural resources alone means a few things - more jobs, lower electricity prices, lower fuel costs.
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    If only Colin Powell would run for president....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingk0ng View Post
    I think Mitt Romney will do a fantastic job. Look at Massachusetts unemployment rate during the Romney administration. The fact that he is for natural resources alone means a few things - more jobs, lower electricity prices, lower fuel costs.
    I believe he's capable, but will he do IT?

    Whereas Obama is completely incapable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerman2000 View Post
    I believe he's capable, but will he do IT?

    Whereas Obama is completely incapable.
    We can only judge his performance on what he has done, because only God knows what he will do. Either way, I agree with what you said earlier, anyone is better than Obama in the meantime.
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    I think Romney could help the economy in the meantime...

    however the new world order/one world govt and currency is inevitable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpee View Post
    I think Romney could help the economy in the meantime...

    however the new world order/one world govt and currency is inevitable.
    Not with a strong US president. Obama is the one who wants to give up our sovereign power to the nations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494

    i still don't understand how obama has such a high approval rating... its pretty sickening
    I'm not racist individual whatsoever, however I feel some African Americans are on welfare and Obama is helping them out substantially. Even if you are no on welfare and just am low income, you get to go to college for free where I am already 33k deep in loans. And finally, other AA will vote for him because they are the same race. I think I heard somewhere AA, Hispanics and Mexicans now take up over half the population
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    Quote Originally Posted by powerman2000
    Not with a strong US president. Obama is the one who wants to give up our sovereign power to the nations.
    the last strong US president to call out secret societies and the NWO was JFK...

    so yes, it's a matter of time
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    Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2 View Post
    . I would prefer not to vote however that doesn't help me at all. Plus, the new healthcare policy scares me since I'm a nurse
    Not to derail but could you expand on this some? I'm very curious to see what people inside the healthcare system think The President's Healthcare.....whatchamacallit . ObamaCare for lack of a better term. If you don't want to post that's fine or take it to PMs if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpee View Post
    I think Romney could help the economy in the meantime...

    however the new world order/one world govt and currency is inevitable.
    That whole Euro experiment is a flop so mebbe someone will learn a lesson from it. The big dog that is carrying everyone (Germany) is getting sick and tired of it. And, Germany like the US, has a big and growing illegal immigrant problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2 View Post
    I'm not racist individual whatsoever, however I feel some African Americans are on welfare and Obama is helping them out substantially. Even if you are no on welfare and just am low income, you get to go to college for free where I am already 33k deep in loans. And finally, other AA will vote for him because they are the same race. I think I heard somewhere AA, Hispanics and Mexicans now take up over half the population
    He is all for illegal aliens. If someone crosses the US border illegally they get a job, drivers license, food stamps, health care, housing, childrens benefits, education and a tax free business for 7 years.

    There a lot of hard-working citizens that do not have health insurance, but if someone crosses the border and get hurt, they automatically get free healthcare. If the hard-working, tax-paying citizen gets hurt, he has to get his credit destroyed with hospital bills.

    This is what gets me upset. A person can come here illegally and get all the opportunity in the world, but there's no forgiveness for our citizens. Let me use two different examples.

    My cousin didn't do too well in school. He graduated with a less than 2.0 GPA. He's a smart kid, but he didn't take it seriously and was always "spoiled" as a kid. He got in college and flunked out. His GPA in college was actually less than a 1.0, but fast forward to today 5 years later. He had been working in the gas field and got laid off and really hates his job and he now has a family, he's been trying to get in a nursing program now that he has matured and straightened his life up and NOBODY will even consider him. I thought America was the land of opportunity, and because this kid didn't take school seriously 6 years ago there's no way he can now make a success out of himself or turn his life around? He is trying to better himself, and at only 23 years old they are telling him it's too late? All because of all those years ago his GPA was bad. He was never suspended, never expelled, never missed class, never done drugs, never even been arrested. He's a great kid and very respectful, but all because of some mistakes he made in school years ago, he has almost no hope at a good future? That's bull****, in my opinion.

    Lets look at option #2. Everyday there are people being arrested for crimes they didn't commit. Everyday there are people spending time in prison, over something they were framed and didn't do. With the way police force can be payed off these days, money can pretty much buy you anything when it comes to the US law. There are men with families being sentenced to prison, and getting out with felonies on their records over something they didn't even do and guess what? When he's out, he pretty much has no future. Nobody is ever going to give this man a chance because they automatically assume he is trouble.

    I don't think it's ever too late to turn your life around, but America does. America will give jobs, benefits and education to people that has never paid into the federal government, but people that make 1 wrong move in their lives are doomed forever. I've been working with my young cousin and teaching him things about the human body and he's learning so quick. I think he would make a great healthcare professional. He wants to become an RN like me. He can now name me every major muscle and bone in the human body and name their function and the degree of movement they can make, as well as what plane those movements are performed in.

    To beat it all, his parents are willing to pay for his education out of pocket without a dime of financial aid. I also said I would help him with his schooling. He has a wife and a little girl relying on him at home, but colleges won't even consider him into their nursing program. He's tried community colleges, LPN programs at vocational schools, and all because of mistakes he made nearly a decade ago, this kid will be deprived of a future.

    I think things like this should be paid more attention to by the world, but unfortunately, it isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specmike
    That whole Euro experiment is a flop so mebbe someone will learn a lesson from it. The big dog that is carrying everyone (Germany) is getting sick and tired of it. And, Germany like the US, has a big and growing illegal immigrant problem.
    you're still thinking in terms of sovereign nations though.

    it's all made to collapse.

    most of the elite have openly said they have to get rid of nations and establish a one world OPEN SOCIETY...and a one world currency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specmike View Post
    Not to derail but could you expand on this some? I'm very curious to see what people inside the healthcare system think The President's Healthcare.....whatchamacallit . ObamaCare for lack of a better term. If you don't want to post that's fine or take it to PMs if you want.

    Thanks.
    I'm also a nurse. ObamaCare is basically a death sentence for the elderly. Medicaid will no longer pay for things like dialysis, which is needed for patients with kidney failure, which basically means if your kidneys fail and you're not rich, Obama is sentencing you to death. In a short paragraph, it's just basically Obamas way of saying "if you don't have the money, you're out of time".
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