Kudo's New Jersey

[DAdams91982]

So New Jersey passed a balanced budget! NICE. A state actually bit the bullet and reduced their operating cost by 11B. But I am sure someone is going to cry about it in the end.

[AE14]

If you dont live or work in NJ you dont understand what that lunatic Christie has done to the state. I have worked in NJ for almost a decade, and things have hit an all time low since his inauguration. There is actual discussion of a recall

[reptone]

NJ is the most corrupt state in the country. Rest assured no matter HOW it looks on paper, every elected official in the state is making every penny he/she can at the expense of the residents and business owners. It`s so corrupt here even oprganised crime stays in NY. They can`t compete with the NJ politicians.

[Dwight Schrute]

If you dont live or work in NJ you dont understand what that lunatic Christie has done to the state. I have worked in NJ for almost a decade, and things have hit an all time low since his inauguration. There is actual discussion of a recall

Let me guess, you're a teacher.



What is lunacy is what they have done to that state in the last 20 years.


What I hear is him not being recalled, but people wanting him to run for President.

[DAdams91982]

Let me guess, you're a teacher.



What is lunacy is what they have done to that state in the last 20 years.


What I hear is him not being recalled, but people wanting him to run for President.

I believe he teaches Art History.

Christie still has a 51% approval rating in NJ, and the polls have yet to come out after signing the new budget. I understand the people AE listens to of course will only fill hatred for the other side.

[AE14]

NJ is the most corrupt state in the country. Rest assured no matter HOW it looks on paper, every elected official in the state is making every penny he/she can at the expense of the residents and business owners. It`s so corrupt here even oprganised crime stays in NY. They can`t compete with the NJ politicians.

absolutely correct. There is so much corruption it is mind numbing.

Let me guess, you're a teacher.



What is lunacy is what they have done to that state in the last 20 years.


What I hear is him not being recalled, but people wanting him to run for President.

they who? teachers? Please feel free to tell me what teachers have done to NJ? Kinda curious how the #1 target of the Christie administration could have hurt the state.

I believe he teaches Art History.

Christie still has a 51% approval rating in NJ, and the polls have yet to come out after signing the new budget. I understand the people AE listens to of course will only fill hatred for the other side.

DA, to be honest, I agree with him on the NJEA, it is entirely corrupt. I have no issue there...however it is the cuts that are costing young teachers their jobs that I have a problem with. It is amazing that Christie can hire his "tech" people for almost 6 figure salaries and their primary responsibility is answer emails, facebook posts and twitter. Good use of state money

[DAdams91982]

absolutely correct. There is so much corruption it is mind numbing.

they who? teachers? Please feel free to tell me what teachers have done to NJ? Kinda curious how the #1 target of the Christie administration could have hurt the state.



DA, to be honest, I agree with him on the NJEA, it is entirely corrupt. I have no issue there...however it is the cuts that are costing young teachers their jobs that I have a problem with. It is amazing that Christie can hire his "tech" people for almost 6 figure salaries and their primary responsibility is answer emails, facebook posts and twitter. Good use of state money

Oh, I am not here to defend that guy. But his recent budget being balanced is AMAZING... i dont care who is getting paid. One of the problems with todays politics is that it is the generation of emotional politics... yes it sucks that some lose jobs... but he made tough decisions that others were to panty waist to make. When you cut 11B from a budget, people are going to cry, until their economy is outperforming others, a one of the only states not in the red.

I have been researching about this recall, but I do not see it. I only see the obvious divide Libs = Cry they didnt get their way, Pubs = Rejoice that he is walking on water... we will have to wait out the changes to see any difference makers.

[DAdams91982]

It is amazing that Christie can hire his "tech" people for almost 6 figure salaries and their primary responsibility is answer emails, facebook posts and twitter. Good use of state money

Is there real proof of this? I find it hard to swallow.

[AE14]

Is there real proof of this? I find it hard to swallow.

there was an article going back a few months at nj.com discussing this.

I personally applaud the budget, but the people who get hurt the worst are the kids who are losing really beneficial programs

[Dwight Schrute]

they who? teachers? Please feel free to tell me what teachers have done to NJ? Kinda curious how the #1 target of the Christie administration could have hurt the state.

Actually the unions and the legislature in the last 20 years. They run that state into the ground with their spending and corruption. Your property taxes are ridiculous...the amount of benefits and salaries state employees get compared to the private sector is completely out of whack.....

[Dwight Schrute]

DA, to be honest, I agree with him on the NJEA, it is entirely corrupt. I have no issue there...however it is the cuts that are costing young teachers their jobs that I have a problem with. It is amazing that Christie can hire his "tech" people for almost 6 figure salaries and their primary responsibility is answer emails, facebook posts and twitter. Good use of state money

As opposed to Corzine? If that's all Christie did then its a drop in the ocean of corruption Corzine was involved in.

His cuts from what I've seen aren't even that drastic compared ot many states.


YouTube- Chris Christie Budget Message New Jersey Legislature (CLIP 2)


Guy is blunt...and its refreshing.

[AE14]

Actually the unions and the legislature in the last 20 years. They run that state into the ground with their spending and corruption. Your property taxes are ridiculous...the amount of benefits and salaries state employees get compared to the private sector is completely out of whack.....

I agree about many things. The union is a joke and quite corrupt,as are most unions. However,the salary and benefitd issue is quite dependent upon where in NJ you are. I don't make enough to live in my district.

As opposed to Corzine? If that's all Christie did then its a drop in the ocean of corruption Corzine was involved in.

His cuts from what I've seen aren't even that drastic compared ot many states.


[url]YouTube- Chris Christie Budget Message New Jersey Legislature (CLIP 2)[/url

Guy is blunt...and its refreshing.

this goes further back than corslime. Whitman anyone?

[badjuju]

I live in NJ, unfortunately, and Christie is 'balancing' the budget in the laziest way possible. He simply made huge cuts into general areas like education without telling the school districts how to handle the cuts or considering the ramifications.

Did he really think that school boards are going to fire themselves when trying to balance their annual budgets? No, of course not, instead we've got schools having to cut sports, art, and music programs.

NJ is on the way to having a balanced budget and an underdeveloped work force and society in general thanks to these cuts. The guy has taken an ax to a situation that requires a scalpel and some thinking.

[DAdams91982]

I live in NJ, unfortunately, and Christie is 'balancing' the budget in the laziest way possible. He simply made huge cuts into general areas like education without telling the school districts how to handle the cuts or considering the ramifications.

Did he really think that school boards are going to fire themselves when trying to balance their annual budgets? No, of course not, instead we've got schools having to cut sports, art, and music programs.

NJ is on the way to having a balanced budget and an underdeveloped work force and society in general thanks to these cuts. The guy has taken an ax to a situation that requires a scalpel and some thinking.

You point out the problem.. no one wants to go through the pain, and pass the pain on to others. Education is overblown and over expensive today, as the result of the legal racket of teacher unions and crap like that. Education has done this to itself, state sponsored education comes in at an average price of 12-15K a year per child at the expense of tax payers, whereas a private institution cost average of 6-8K per child with smaller classrooms and better education. I feel no remorse for state sponsored education.

[AE14]

You point out the problem.. no one wants to go through the pain, and pass the pain on to others. Education is overblown and over expensive today, as the result of the legal racket of teacher unions and crap like that. Education has done this to itself, state sponsored education comes in at an average price of 12-15K a year per child at the expense of tax payers, whereas a private institution cost average of 6-8K per child with smaller classrooms and better education. I feel no remorse for state sponsored education.

You make some very gross generalities. Based on your points families would all want to send their kids to private schools since it would be less expensive and a better education. What you seem to not understand is that a generality like that is false. In some instances they can be better in terms of education, however, that is not always the case.

Dealing with the issue of NJ, having been there almost a decade, the corruption is very old, however Christie's "blame the teachers" truly hurts the youth. What he also seems to not care about is the result this has on property values. If you lower school performance, you kill the desire for many to move to a particular city, thus killing the property values. However, lets just keep up slicing education, Einstein didnt need any enrichment programs

[DAdams91982]

You make some very gross generalities. Based on your points families would all want to send their kids to private schools since it would be less expensive and a better education. What you seem to not understand is that a generality like that is false. In some instances they can be better in terms of education, however, that is not always the case.

Dealing with the issue of NJ, having been there almost a decade, the corruption is very old, however Christie's "blame the teachers" truly hurts the youth. What he also seems to not care about is the result this has on property values. If you lower school performance, you kill the desire for many to move to a particular city, thus killing the property values. However, lets just keep up slicing education, Einstein didnt need any enrichment programs

It is less expensive, and a better education, problem is that every tax payer, all 50% of the total tax paying population, pays for kids to go to school. So that year of education ends up costing more, for less, because there is no threat of reprise in the state educational system. It has been one of the most corrupt institutions in the US since its inception.

Again, so who get's to feel the pain? Obviously more than just Christie seen bloat in the educational system, your other state government passed this as well, including your very blue state government, Christie is just a small fish in that pond.

[AE14]

It is less expensive, and a better education, problem is that every tax payer, all 50% of the total tax paying population, pays for kids to go to school. So that year of education ends up costing more, for less, because there is no threat of reprise in the state educational system. It has been one of the most corrupt institutions in the US since its inception.

Again, so who get's to feel the pain? Obviously more than just Christie seen bloat in the educational system, your other state government passed this as well, including your very blue state government, Christie is just a small fish in that pond.

I would love to see some legitimate statistics to back up your claim. Please feel free to also take into account the following

• Standardized testing
• Percentage going to a 4 year school
• Percentage going to a 2 year school
• AP enrollment, tests taken and scores
• Percentage SPED population
• Percentage that did not drop out of post graduate education

The problem is, that you have not taken all variables into account. So one the surface it looks better.

I agree that the budget needs help (in 50 states) however Christie is attacking one source, which again hurts the average tax payer, and sadly they are blind to it.

By the way....it is the SPED (special ed.) numbers that no one takes into account when looking at a private school. Care to know why? Very few enroll there

[DAdams91982]

I would love to see some legitimate statistics to back up your claim. Please feel free to also take into account the following

• Standardized testing
• Percentage going to a 4 year school
• Percentage going to a 2 year school
• AP enrollment, tests taken and scores
• Percentage SPED population
• Percentage that did not drop out of post graduate education

The problem is, that you have not taken all variables into account. So one the surface it looks better.

I agree that the budget needs help (in 50 states) however Christie is attacking one source, which again hurts the average tax payer, and sadly they are blind to it.

By the way....it is the SPED (special ed.) numbers that no one takes into account when looking at a private school. Care to know why? Very few enroll there

All due respect, I am not going to do your bitch work. You wish to refute my claims, due so. But do not expect me to go fetch statistics that you wish to see.

Now my information i will gladly show.
According to the NCES the total Private student population is 5,072,451 and the total full time teachers is 456,266, making that an astounding 11 students per teacher.

According to the NCES the graduation rate of private schooling K-12 is 98% in 2007 (Latest date I could find) , and according to NCHEMS the graduation rate for public schools is 68%.

Andrew Coulson did the cost break down of the public schools in DC, and showed it cost 28.5K per pupil to the tax payer. Researching private schools in the area showed less than half that, and by half I mean 7K.

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/wp-co...009-Budget.xls

http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2009/2009313.pdf

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/projecti...?referrer=list

http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2010/2010309.pdf

[AE14]

All due respect, I am not going to do your bitch work. You wish to refute my claims, due so. But do not expect me to go fetch statistics that you wish to see.

Fair enough. However, my point is the same. There is little to back you up

Now my information i will gladly show.
According to the NCES the total Private student population is 5,072,451 and the total full time teachers is 456,266, making that an astounding 11 students per teacher.

I never disputed this issue. I wishI had 11 per class. However, with all the cuts I am now at over 30 per class. Thanks Governor

According to the NCES the graduation rate of private schooling K-12 is 98% in 2007 (Latest date I could find) , and according to NCHEMS the graduation rate for public schools is 68%.

Which public schools, and where were they located?

Andrew Coulson did the cost break down of the public schools in DC, and showed it cost 28.5K per pupil to the tax payer. Researching private schools in the area showed less than half that.

Lets look at this from the perspective of common sense. If it was so much cheaper nationally, why wouldnt everyone send their kids for this "better education"? I do not dispute that there has been bloat in education, much of which is as a result of the union, however, to claim that private school is a better education is not looking at the issue in its entirety as previously stated in my post above.

[DAdams91982]

Fair enough. However, my point is the same. There is little to back you up

I just gave you plenty.

I never disputed this issue. I wishI had 11 per class. However, with all the cuts I am now at over 30 per class. Thanks Governor

If the public school system could keep their own house clean, this wouldnt be a problem.... thank you bureaucrats and legal racketeering.

Which public schools, and where were they located?

National average, as were the private statistics.

Lets look at this from the perspective of common sense. If it was so much cheaper nationally, why wouldnt everyone send their kids for this "better education"? I do not dispute that there has been bloat in education, much of which is as a result of the union, however, to claim that private school is a better education is not looking at the issue in its entirety as previously stated in my post above.

This is the big lingering question. Why pay for school twice? You already are forced to pay for the public education for yourself and everyone else, so why not use it? When DC was giving vouchers for private education, the private institution grew tremendously, because bar none, it is just better. SAT scores are better, ACT scores are better, Graduation rate is better, Post secondary graduation rate is better, people that even attend post secondary is well higher, drop out rate is lower.

Here is the kicker, stats show that less then 50% of working age adults actually pay taxes. So glad that 50% of hard working Americans can pay for 100% of the populations children to go to school.