Uganda, a stand against homosexuality? Death penalty introduced.
- 03-16-2010, 10:51 PM
- 03-16-2010, 10:56 PM
- 03-17-2010, 12:12 AM
03-17-2010, 12:23 AM
03-17-2010, 08:16 AM
I can't find the original post containing THIS gem.
Please, do tell how "we" (considering I am 39 years old and have made around 33-34 years' worth of "choices") made a bad decision in the beginning.
Or...are you asserting that we have and will be judged/punished for the actions of others from a "just" being?
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03-17-2010, 09:32 AM
Similarly you missed the boat entirely on hate crimes. My point was that beating up a person because he is gay is no worse than beating up a person because he stepped on your toe. Again you are beating him up because of what he is, a clumsy fool. The start of violent crimes is always about what the other person is, whether its race, religion, personality, etc. Again, what else would be your cause of violence against someone? If you start a fight because someone is hitting on your girlfriend, it is you starting a fight because of "who he is" - a crass classless fool. And trying to say that race, religion, sexual preference is "out of a persons control", well honestly you can say the same for someone who is clumsy and unapologetic as thats the way they were raised.
No violent crime is a "love" crime, they all have elements of hate. By establishing a higher penalty for the EXACT SAME action against a specific group you are in effect saying its not as big of a deal to perform that same action against people of any other group that doesn't get protected. Again, your feelings may or may not be entirely in your control, but your actions are. I'm all for stronger penalties for violent crimes, I'm a fan of faster death sentences as well to keep prison costs down. Rape, child molestation and first or second degree murder all deserve rapid death sentences.
03-17-2010, 05:06 PM
03-17-2010, 10:05 PM
I agree with you as far as the death penalty and making it more swift. I still disagree regarding hate crimes because the legislation isn't intended to give preferential treatment to any particular group. It is a shame that our legal system is so weak and inconsistent that we have to have such legislation to ensure the worst offenses get the highest level of punishment.
The day after 9/11, a guy went into a gas station here in Phoenix and murdered the owner for being a Muslim (he was actually a Seikgh from India). He was murdered for being a "Muslim", not for money or because he personaly wronged him. I simply feel that it is an agregious act that should bring the strongest punishment with no option for leniency. In a similar sense, I feel that crimes against children, public servants, and pregnant women should bring the strongest punishment without a chance for leniency.
But I understand your logic. If our courts were consistent and didn't lean so far to the left, there would be no need to differentiate which form of murder is worse, or which one deserves a harsher penalty. The way it is now, advocacy groups have to petition to change the laws to ensure firm justice is applied. Police and other public servants, children, and victims of hate crimes wouldn't need to petition for these things if the courts simply did their jobs and we actually started executing murderers regardless.
03-17-2010, 10:35 PM
03-18-2010, 01:06 AM
03-18-2010, 08:07 AM
But if a man has no desire to be with a woman then true he shouldn't be with a woman, however if his country/social group strongly disallows homosexual physical contact then he can choose to be celibate instead of following through on his desires. Then you get into of course the question of whether "satisfying your sexual desires" is a human right or not, and i'd have to go with not on that one. Again specifically we have things like anti-polygamy laws, age of consent laws, etc that outlaw other forms of satisfying sexual desires so it is not considered an inalienable right. Heck strip bars are still illegal in many states here in the US.
03-18-2010, 09:04 AM
03-18-2010, 09:47 AM
03-18-2010, 10:17 AM
What science am I refuting? If anything i'm perpetually the person on this forum who dismisses broscience and asks for clinical evidence. But i'm a software developer.
03-18-2010, 11:02 AM
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03-18-2010, 11:10 AM
Its pretty obvious that the ballooning in the last 20 years of lesbians is partially due to the encouragement by the media and young girls questioning that since they don't at 13 or 14 find any boys attractive that maybe they are lesbians. Not very different than blaming eating disorders on skinny models
03-18-2010, 11:19 AM
I meant of course "We" as a human race D. I have explained to you the story of Sin and how it affects us in previous threads, so I don't feel the need to go into depth here unless you truly wish to know what the Bible states again.
As a short version, Satan challenged God's authority to rule, Eve went along with Satan, Adam followed. We thus inherited sin from the first set of genes. Like a pan with a dent that bakes bread with the same dent in the bread day after day.Sin meaning quite literally to miss the mark of perfection.
God has let humanity rule themselves for the most part aside from his chosen people, and Satan the rest. All this for US to prove that man cannot rule himself very well and that God really is the best leader for us. He made the way out for us by sending his Son Jesus to earth to atone for our imperfection by way of propitiatory sacrifice. To make a way out for us. He could have killed us all and started again..so it is loving to give us another chance. Humans wouldn't do the same.
We are not being judged/punished from the sins of others but how we deal with the sin we have inherited and how we either let it run our lives or fight against it.
03-18-2010, 11:29 AM
03-18-2010, 11:37 AM
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03-18-2010, 11:43 AM
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03-18-2010, 11:59 AM
03-18-2010, 12:37 PM
Original intentions were for man and woman to reproduce. Man and man cannot reproduce, so I guess the question is (keeping evolution in mind) is it fair to say that a homosexual man is a defect so to speak? I don't intend for this comment to be a dergatory comment, I'm just trying to see if it sheds any light on the "it's a choice" vs. "born with homosexuality" debate.
03-18-2010, 01:05 PM
03-18-2010, 01:07 PM
03-18-2010, 01:12 PM
I just wanted to insert that I don't in any way agree with uganda's decision, or even the basic premise of treating people's privately performed sexual acts as societally relevant at all, but I do support that each society has the right to define what individuals in that society have a right to do. There are no objective/universal pieces of morality just as there are no objective/universal rights of any creature whether man or other.
03-18-2010, 01:33 PM
03-18-2010, 01:54 PM
I would like to go one step further, and propose that all hot lesbians (only hot ones) not be punished, yet in fact be given extra special privileges for public displays of affection! This can help compensate and balance the injustice for those poor gay men being persecuted in Uganda.
Seriously though, this is really a dead issue, since we don't live in Uganda and have no background to properly judge their governmental protocols. We have enough issues of our own we could be debating.
03-18-2010, 03:43 PM
03-18-2010, 04:12 PM
03-18-2010, 04:22 PM
03-18-2010, 04:25 PM
Even without our society, the right to life is violated both by death sentences as well as 3rd trimester abortions. So obviously not inalienable even here. And although abortions weren't common at all during the time period when the bill of rights and constitution were written, the death penalty surely was.
The reason I specifically mention 3rd trimester abortions is that we now have the ability to deliver premature babies pretty successfully as early as 22 weeks into pregnancy (Florida gives a death certificate for miscarriages after week 20) so any abortions after that point are taking away the right to life of an organism that could survive outside of the mothers body. I don't mind the idea of abortions earlier than that, as up till that point the child is not capable of being delivered and surviving so it really is more of a parasite or part of the mothers body. After that point however it no longer is either a parasite or a part of the mothers body, but a living person who could be breathing the air and being fed via a bottle.
03-18-2010, 09:23 PM
03-18-2010, 10:07 PM
This personal slavery is unknown to most people, who live out their scripts confused and oblivious to it's insidious influence. Human life is mainly a process of filling time until the arrival of death, with little if any perceived choice of what kind of business to transact during the long wait. After all, they were "just born that way", don't you hear that a lot these days? But for some fortunate souls, there is something that transcends all these games and self-defeating behaviors, something that rises above the programming in the past, and something more rewarding than the the trivial games they enjoys playing. It's called intimacy, but it is dangerous, so people seek social circles because there is safety in numbers you know, and their losing roles solidify that much more with a losing script payoff. This may mean there is no hope for the human race, but there is certainly hope for individual members of it who finally reject their fears and embrace true autonomy.
08-11-2010, 09:06 PM
The only people i've known with aids is my gay uncle, a guy who had gay sex for drugs and a kid born with it because his father was bisexual. If being gay was exclusively genetic, it would eventually go away. It obviously isn't. I try to be a tolerant person and don't care what people do behind closed doors but I hate the gay agenda being shoved in my face everyday. I like living in a free country, thats what we fought for but, I wish all the gays would move to Uganda.
08-12-2010, 02:59 AM
08-12-2010, 03:09 AM
This guy agrees with you too, luther! He said not even kids have rights.
08-12-2010, 12:56 PM
Silly ***gots ****s are for chicks..
Simple remedy for the "issue" at hand.. If your gay don't go there.. Just like if your muslim don't go to Australia and try to press your beliefs.. This political correctness **** is the reason why our country has gone to ****s.
08-13-2010, 12:43 AM
Example. A man I know is christian, walked into a chase bank that had a "no hat" policy. A muslim girl walked in same time with her hood up, he was wearing a ball cap. Guess who got asked to take off their hat? And who wasnt asked?
He looked over at the muslim and said "Do you really want to go there"
Then commented "I know this bank was started based on Godly princibles, so I will pray for it to regain its self respect."
Well he stood to the side when she was going to make him take it off or not do the transaction, and this was for church money for the church account.
He steps 3 feet over, starts praying out loud in the middle of the bank holding up the line and everything. And he said he would pray until he could do his banking, or the news people show up.
She eventually told him just to come over and hurry it up, and yet...low and behold there was a 100 dollar bonus added to the deposit for being a "preferred customer" hahaha.
muslims here, may be mostly normal people, but like gays they are given special privileges that are in no way earned.
Equality is what were supposed to be about.
I dont like being around them, they show no respect.
08-13-2010, 03:39 AM
I am not a Muslim BTW lol, but I know many people of varied faiths. The rudest ones actually I have found have been hardcore fundamentalist Christians and hardcore Evolutionists. They have more in common than they think.
If you want to blame people for the state of all this PC bs..blame the media and propagandists in the world. They are paid gossipers and Kaniver's.
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