Plus, how many presidents do you know of that:
1. Didn't lie
2. Ran a campaign on "not changing a damn thing"
3. Followed through with all things promised during their campaigning
4. Able to completely follow through with their political, moral and ethical platforms/promises.
Politics are an elitist game of power and persuasion used by most to get to the end game... there's a reason why so many politicians are discovered doing the exact thing they either oppose or downright champion against. There's a reason that most people have the same view of politicians regardless of political affiliation. It's been like this since day one in our system and every other system where so much authority is given to individuals with limited supervision.
And even if you do get a wholesome, well intentioned politician in the rankings, they are too rare and have no influence to do anything of any importance.
And i'd take your money!
Is it me, or does he look like Billy Bob Thornton on the initial shot there?
I swear I thought he was going to to say, "... and I ****ed Angelina!"
Agreed Jay. I think a lot of the fluff comes from simply not wanting to play ball anymore. Part of the country didn't get their guy in office so now it's time to trash the whole darn country...F' it all, there's a black liberal in office so let's paint him as Muslim terrorist who's out to control our minds. It's seriously ridiculous and it makes me ill.
I've never agreed 100% with the actions of any politician and I never will, but politics is about compromise and we won't even get to that point because of all the fiction and anger being thrown around. The people throwing around language encouraging civil war really need to read up on their history about our first Civil War. Killing your own ain't all it's cracked up to be and the memoirs of those who did are not happy reading.
yes our founding fathers would frown on the greed of our current and past politicains and they wouldn't be happy about our international affairs. i really doubt a global take over plot though.
Good points. However, how many presidents do you know of that also:
1) Surrounded themselves with far left wing, outright devout communist freaks who had as their ultimate goal the reshaping of the United States into what the USSR supposedly might have been?
2) Had an FCC 'diversity czar' who has suggested white people step down so blacks can have more power, and that "hard structural rules" be put in place regarding broadcasting because the fairness doctrine "(wasn't) enough," and who thinks Hugo Chavez, a ****ing dictator, is just swell?
3) Had a 'science czar' who put his name on papers advocating forced sterilization, shot gun marriages and forced abortions for single mothers, while claiming all could be within the bounds of the constitution based on a population crisis which echos Paul Ehrlich's ravings in the Population Bomb, a guy whose claims have been nothing if terminally wrong? Forced sterilization and abortion constitutional? This guy needs to be shot.
Seriously, if you pick almost any Obama appointee besides Hillary and run their name for quotes you get a book of far left insanity back, people advocating positions so far to the left that it gives the frigging Swedes pause to wonder about their mental stability.
Know any of those presidents? This guy and his cohorts seem to have been locked in the very center and most isolated of the proverbial liberal echo chambers for the last 40-50 years, and they came out not realizing socialism is failing almost everywhere and fully determined to impose it here. At least the neocons limit most of their nutball fantasies to foreign policy. These guys are trying to implement it here. As a response to George W. Bush our country handed its government to a stoned college dorm room bull session and a bunch of people who, so far as I can tell, have almost never had to earn a living at a real job but who basically went from the mother's tit straight to the government's tit.
Know any of those presidents?
I was willing to give Obama chance in the hope he wouldn't **** things up too badly here and that we'd get a positive change in foreign policy. So far his change in foreign policy seems to be to wink at anyone who walks by and hand them a dildo and tube of astro glide, and he seems more determined than anything else to make damn well sure the government sucks up my paycheck and then some by the end of the day. I could have taken a liberal, I'd kill to have Bill Clinton back. The more I'm exposed to this guy and his administration, the more convinced I am that this team is totally off the ****ing rails. They said "Bye bye!" to reality a loooooong time ago.
The civil war was backed finacially by the rothschilds, they put in place a private banking system which andrew jackson ousted and then they managed to get back in place. The american people have not since controlled or had their own currency. Until you can get control of the money flow you cannot say it is a democracy. All this hes not perfect, nobody was is wasted argument for the true power structure, said whithin this video, is the real control making choices, starting wars, controlling the currency and printing bills with no backing.
There will always be someone with a real good idea about fiction but its just that. This whole system, left, right, liberal, conservative is a ficticious ring designed to distract.
CDB- good points and I'll have to conceed until I have to time proof some of my opinions on past conservative presidents and their reported/known associates. I do believe there are a few examples that can be used. However, I do agree with the points you made in regards to Obama's appointees and affiliations. You're constructing those arguments based off disagreements with policy and administration. Not using generic banter lacing it with muslim fears and birth certificate nonsense.
I'm more than willing to conceed that's just as nuts as anything Obama is doing, but he's doing his nuttiness here. He's ****ting where I eat, so to speak. Conservatives to date have been polite enough to pester other people for the most part. You know, over seas and across borders. Obama and his crew seem determined to piss people off here as opposed to abroad.
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Our founders were human beings, just like you and me. Everyone makes mistakes, but the great thing about our country ISN'T exactly about who founded it, but the ideals/principles in which it was founded upon (the constitution, etc.). Nevertheless, line our founders up with most of the politicians in office today and then call me back, because you can't even compare. You couldn't compare a great president like Andrew Jackson to someone like Bush or Obama. Period. I think MANY people get mixed up with our founders and the ideals they fought/died for. The fact is, the more we ignore the orginal rule of law and the principles that made us great, the further this country goes down it's dark path. Our constitution itself is a living document. It is important to true freedom in this country. This is what our founders wanted to get across. After all, when you take the oath in the military, you swear to uphold and defend the constitution, NOT the greatness of a certain founding father.
They had a fresh start to attempt to leave the "old blood" corruption and madness in Europe. Well it didnt stay away long.
If your knowledge of history doesn't go beyond a sixth grade government approved text book level, sure. In reality the foudners were a diverse bunch mostly united by the fact that they didn't like British impositions beyond what was constitutionally traditional. But, the British constitution being unwritten, it was easy for parliment to innovate and try and exact more and more money from the colonies. The debates over the constitution show clearly that a few founders wanted a free state, most just wantedd British traditional rule without Britain, and a good deal wanted to out do Britain in terms of mercantilism and despotism, proposing executive powers that were extreme and the like.This is because of our founders. They chose to fight for our freedom, so that we can grow up in a great county.
The constitution itself was ramrodded in, Federalist types using every trick in the book from buying off legislatures who promised to vote against it to delaying Anti Federalist mail to stop their mobilization against the document, and from the begining our 'founders' were using construction to expand the central government's powers. What's more, simply citing the 'founders' doesn't do justice to the colonial tradition from which the United States developed, and much of which was much more pure and individual rights oriented than the final union, because it allowed for nullification, interposition, etc., and generall took a union of sovereign states to be just that. The constitution and the union, and the subsequent Civil War, were all massive moves towards centralization of power over what was previously a decentralized and more free society.
Irrelevant BS. Americans are no more lazy than they were before or are likely to be, their ideology has changed is all. They are quite active in proposing the state as the solution to all of their problems aqnd busy making it happen, so lazy doesn't quite encompass their reality.The only problem is, Americans are becoming lazy and stupified and don't care too much about what made us great anymore. Just as long as they have their iphones and American Idol. Perhaps, while you're bashing the people who fought and died for your freedom before you were even born, you can say that the soldiers who fought and died defeating Hitler in WW 2 weren't that great either.
Benajmin Franklin, a rutting prick who loved the idea of paper money, especially since his print shop was to be awarded the contract for printing it, and who recommended friends to become stamp tax collectors and the like before the revolution.Our founders were human beings, just like you and me. Everyone makes mistakes, but the great thing about our country ISN'T exactly about who founded it, but the ideals/principles in which it was founded upon (the constitution, etc.). Nevertheless, line our founders up with most of the politicians in office today and then call me back, because you can't even compare.
Alexander Hamilton, a man who wanted the new American union to mirror the British empire and eventually supplant it. An advocate of central banking and a funded public debt from the beginning.
George Washington, a weed smoking dip**** of a general about whom not much can be said.
John Adams, a putz who complained of tyrrany at every step while at the same time enacting things like alien and sedition, which basically fined and jailed people for daring to criticize him or the congress he had in his pocket, exempting of course from this protection his VP, Jefferson. And, who defended the British after the Boston massacre.
Thomas Jefferson, who basically became a nice practical stateman when he was in office and left the ideals he espoused beforehand, which were great, to his followers so they could measure him against them and find him wanting.
The list goes on, but far from being superior to our current crop of useless state slugs, they're about on the same level and in many cases far worse.
Oh he did some good stuff. He also slaughtered a ****load of Indians in case you missed it, and was a slavery advocate.You couldn't compare a great president like Andrew Jackson to someone like Bush or Obama. Period.
That's because they are inseperable. Few if any of the founders of this nation fought and died for some Lockian/Spoonerist vision of a nation with government restricted to natural law and individual liberty. Most were just pissed at the level of exaction the British were pulling, not the concept itself.I think MANY people get mixed up with our founders and the ideals they fought/died for.
Which means it is meaningless and subject to the whims of the time and the judge who looks at it. Assuming they even bother to look at it.The fact is, the more we ignore the orginal rule of law and the principles that made us great, the further this country goes down it's dark path. Our constitution itself is a living document.
Constitutions do not restrain government nor protect individual liberty. Their effect is to centralize power and judgement of the proper exercise of power, and eventually lead to a destruction of freedom and liberty. Hoppe has written extensively on this. No where in history has a paper constitution, no matter how clear a guarantee of liberty it was supposed to be, no matter how clear its wording, not been rendered meaningless through successive construction and outright neglect.It is important to true freedom in this country. This is what our founders wanted to get across. After all, when you take the oath in the military, you swear to uphold and defend the constitution, NOT the greatness of a certain founding father.