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    How Israel avoids the obvious Palestinian solution


    David Bromwich, professor of literature at Yale University, discusses the standard Israeli practice of making incongruous conditional demands to avoid serious discussion of a Palestinian state, the propaganda and fundraising boon Ahmadinejad has been to AIPAC, the radicalizing effect recent Russian immigrants have had on Israeli politics and how the Iranian nuclear scaremongering may be designed for American consumption.

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    Just sounds like left wing, anti-israel garbage. I wish I could get the 5 minutes back I just wasted. The first step to a real peace process will be to retake the gaza strip and annihilate every last trace of Hamas.
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    ahh luther havent seen you in a while. so entertaining to have you back
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    Quote Originally Posted by roids1 View Post
    Just sounds like left wing, anti-israel garbage. I wish I could get the 5 minutes back I just wasted. The first step to a real peace process will be to retake the gaza strip and annihilate every last trace of Hamas.
    Sooner or later, Americans are going to wake up to the fact that Israel's influence on the American government is detrimental.

    Let me quote Jimmy Carter:

    "JERUSALEM, June 16 -- Former president Jimmy Carter said Tuesday that Palestinians in the Gaza Strip were being treated "more like animals than human beings" by Israeli rules that have limited travel, banned the import of all but basic goods and prevented reconstruction since a three-week war ended earlier this year.

    "Never before in history has a large community been savaged by bombs and missiles and then deprived of the means to repair itself," he said.

    Carter called the situation "a terrible human rights crime," noting that the restrictions force people to rely on smugglers for many items.

    "This abuse must cease. The crimes must be investigated. The wall must be brought down, and the basic right of freedom must come to you," he said at a United Nations school during a visit to Gaza that included meetings with top officials of the Islamist Hamas group, which holds power in the area."
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    Quote Originally Posted by lutherblsstt View Post

    Let me quote Jimmy Carter:
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    Jimmy Carter. Now there's a credible figure and a real success story. The same guy who took a trip to N.Korea and informed us that Kim Il Sung (aka The Great Leader) was a helluva guy and just misunderstood by the west. The same guy who said "we are now free of that inordinate fear of Communism" and was so shocked when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan a year later.

    Maybe one of these days he'll broker a peace deal between the NAACP and the KKK!

    Thanks for the good laugh. Keep'em coming!
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    In the bible ( I know not everyone believes it ) but It said that there would never be peace among them and pretty much middle eastern countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roids1 View Post
    Jimmy Carter. Now there's a credible figure and a real success story. The same guy who took a trip to N.Korea and informed us that Kim Il Sung (aka The Great Leader) was a helluva guy and just misunderstood by the west. The same guy who said "we are now free of that inordinate fear of Communism" and was so shocked when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan a year later.

    Maybe one of these days he'll broker a peace deal between the NAACP and the KKK!

    Thanks for the good laugh. Keep'em coming!
    I have a sneaking suspicion that any political figure or anyone else for that matter who happens to present a viewpoint opposed to yours is considered "not credible" by you.

    Never mind the fact that Carter actually met the leader of North Korea personally and gave his assessment,you consider him to be not "credible" because he didn't echo what the mainstream media says about Il Sung .

    Let me ask you this,who do you consider "credible" ? Sean Hannity? George W. Bush? Who?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lutherblsstt View Post
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    Let me ask you this,who do you consider "credible" ? Sean Hannity? George W. Bush? Who?
    Ronald Reagan comes to mind.
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    credible and owners of the oval office dont seem to fit IMO.
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    Okay!


    Quote Originally Posted by lutherblsstt View Post
    I have a sneaking suspicion that any political figure or anyone else for that matter who happens to present a viewpoint opposed to yours is considered "not credible" by you.

    Never mind the fact that Carter actually met the leader of North Korea personally and gave his assessment,you consider him to be not "credible" because he didn't echo what the mainstream media says about Il Sung .

    Let me ask you this,who do you consider "credible" ? Sean Hannity? George W. Bush? Who?
    I don't much care for polarizing figures either way. I'm no more of a Hannity fan than I am a Limbaugh fan or a Keith Olberman fan. As far as Carter is concerned. He is not credible when it comes to foreign policy at all. He is a naive individual who seems to believe that there are no bad people in the world. Just good people who do bad things.

    Carter went to Pyongyang and was given the official Kim Il Sung VIP propaganda tour and swallowed the BS hook, line, and sinker. He stated (paraphrasing) that the department stores were just as busy and bustling with shoppers as any Wal Mart in the USA. This is, as we know, a country where at least 40% of the people are suffering from malnutrition and somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 million people died of famine in the 1990s. It is also a country where generations of families live in labor camps because of political "crimes" committed by their ancestors.

    He also believes that he can convince Hamas to recognize Israel's right to exist and make peace, which is about as likely as a peace deal between the Neo Nazis and the NAACP.

    He is just not a credible figure when it comes to foreign policy. He may mean well, but he is naive and irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roids1 View Post
    I don't much care for polarizing figures either way. I'm no more of a Hannity fan than I am a Limbaugh fan or a Keith Olberman fan. As far as Carter is concerned. He is not credible when it comes to foreign policy at all. He is a naive individual who seems to believe that there are no bad people in the world. Just good people who do bad things.
    Or maybe he actually judges people off of what he personally experiences when he meets them instead of what is spoon fed to him via the media?



    Carter went to Pyongyang and was given the official Kim Il Sung VIP propaganda tour and swallowed the BS hook, line, and sinker.
    According to who?

    He stated (paraphrasing) that the department stores were just as busy and bustling with shoppers as any Wal Mart in the USA. This is, as we know, a country where at least 40% of the people are suffering from malnutrition and somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 million people died of famine in the 1990s.
    Are you saying he was hallucinating?


    He also believes that he can convince Hamas to recognize Israel's right to exist and make peace,
    What does this have to do with his credibilty?


    He is just not a credible figure when it comes to foreign policy. He may mean well, but he is naive and irrelevant.
    Let me ask you again,who is a credible figure that we can compare Carter to when it comes to foreign policy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpmartyr View Post
    Ronald Reagan comes to mind.
    Why?

    I suggest

    Ronald Reagan: An Autopsy
    by Murray N. Rothbard

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard60.html

    and

    The Two Faces of Ronald Reagan
    by Murray N. Rothbard

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard50.html
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    Talking Thanks for another great laugh.


    Sure, we are being spoonfed BS by our media about N. Korea. I'm sure the people who risk their lives escaping into China to beg for food are just ungreatful bastards.

    It is probably a paradise just like the Kim regime tells us it is.

    No wonder it's considered treason to escape the country. I mean, they offer paradise, so anyone who'd try to escape deserves to spend the rest of their life in a labor camp.

    A credible figure to compare Carter to on foreign policy. I guess Michael Moore if you'd consider him credible, which I'm sure you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roids1 View Post
    Sure, we are being spoonfed BS by our media about N. Korea. I'm sure the people who risk their lives escaping into China to beg for food are just ungreatful bastards.
    Of course I'm sure you talked to some of them firsthand and did not get this little tidbit from the media.

    It is probably a paradise just like the Kim regime tells us it is.
    Of course not,but what country is? Also,what does this have to do with what Carter said?



    A credible figure to compare Carter to on foreign policy. I guess Michael Moore if you'd consider him credible, which I'm sure you do.
    Nice way to dodge the question and try to make it look like sarcasm.



    Changing the subject. Here's a question I've always wanted to ask a genious like you. What kind of explosives do you think D1ck Cheney used to bring down the world trade center?


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    Guilt by association as an ad hominem fallacy

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    Example of Guilt By Association

    Will and Kiteena are arguing over socialism. Kiteena is a pacifist and hates violence and violent people.

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    [QUOTE=lutherblsstt;2023930]Of course I'm sure you talked to some of them firsthand and did not get this little tidbit from the media.

    You absolutely must be joking! You think there is no famine and people are really not fleeing NK for food!!!!!! The Chinese govt even acknowledges this. I guess they're just receiving billions in aid from US, SK, Japan, and others for they're great contributions to the world. It looks like there's a big international media conspiracy aimed at making the NK regime look bad.

    Unbelievable!

    P.S. I just noticed that your occupation is teacher. That's really unfortunate. People like you are what is wrong with education in this country today. Our schools are being overrun with marxists loons like yourself who are indoctrinating an entire generation with your poisonous propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lutherblsstt View Post
    Of course I'm sure you talked to some of them firsthand and did not get this little tidbit from the media.

    You absolutely must be joking! You think there is no famine and people are really not fleeing NK for food!!!!!! The Chinese govt even acknowledges this. I guess they're just receiving billions in aid from US, SK, Japan, and others for they're great contributions to the world. It looks like there's a big international media conspiracy aimed at making the NK regime look bad.
    I never said whether I believed it or it was a conspiracy or any of the words you put into my mouth,again you dodge the question and obfuscate.

    I said initially in reference to comments you allege Carter made about people shopping in North Korea `Are you saying he was hallucinating?`

    Do you think everyone or even the majority is starving in North Korea?

    YouTube - Inside secretive North Korea - 09 Jun 09
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    P.S. I just noticed that your occupation is teacher. That's really unfortunate. People like you are what is wrong with education in this country today. .

    Hey,read an interesting quote once:

    “Whatever I do is done out of sheer joy; I drop my fruits like a ripe tree. What the general reader or the critic makes of them is not my concern.”

    Our schools are being overrun with marxists loons like yourself who are indoctrinating an entire generation with your poisonous propaganda
    Where have I identified or inferred that I was a Marxist?

    Oh and by the way:

    http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...d-hominem.html

    An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.

    The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.
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    Here is an ad hominem for you Luther: You are a complete moron who copies and pastes ad nauseum. Nobody loves you. Nobody likes you. You are a tool.

    How's that?

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    People in the showcase capital are not starving. Do you really think what you see in that video represents the majority of NK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpmartyr View Post
    Here is an ad hominem for you Luther: You are a complete moron who copies and pastes ad nauseum. Nobody loves you. Nobody likes you. You are a tool.

    How's that?


    “Whatever I do is done out of sheer joy; I drop my fruits like a ripe tree. What the general reader or the critic makes of them is not my concern.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by roids1 View Post
    People in the showcase capital are not starving. Do you really think what you see in that video represents the majority of NK?
    The point is that both sides are using propaganda,not just North Korea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lutherblsstt View Post
    The point is that both sides are using propaganda,not just North Korea.
    Te UN estimates that over 40% of the population is suffering from malnutrition. International aid workers have seen first hand children starving on concrete floors in orphanages. People risk their lives to flee to china to beg for food. The country has a dictator who is worshiped like a diety. Cell phones are banned, as well as private house phones. The televisions and radios receive only propaganda about the "Dear Leader. Trying to leave is considered treason and punishable by death. Thess are facts, not propaganda.
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    Hey fellas. This thread has taken a few twists and turns already, but getting toward the original post.....why are we Israel's only ally? I'm far from an expert on the subject and try your best not to flame me as I explain my knowledge on the subjet of Israel/Palestine without looking anything up...

    The Nazi's incinerated millions of Jews, so as some form of reparations, the United Nations carved out a piece of Palestine and declared "this is no longer your land Palestinians, this is now Israel, a land that Jews can call their own and be safe from all the people who hate them and wish them harm"....naturally, the Palestinians were like "ummm.....no" and have been resisting ever since. Wonder if the early resistors were called "insurgents".

    So...back to my original question. How is that "just" for the Palestinians? What if the UN declared that the entire population of Darfur was to inhabit half of Arizona, and that half would be referred to as Darfuria. Sure, it'd be a sweet deal for the Darfurians, but wouldn't there be Arizonan "insurgents" that rebelled against the apportioning of their land?

    I know this is a super-simplified account, but I'm putting what I know out there. Would love to hear where I'm right, wrong, etc.....and also some justification of Israel's existence. Allying ourselves with them seems to be quite the source of trouble for the good ol U.S.and A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    In the bible ( I know not everyone believes it ) but It said that there would never be peace among them and pretty much middle eastern countries.
    The most overlooked underlying point to the entire history and future of the conflict. Check out the research from Joel Rosenburg. He worked for Israeli prime ministers, has worked in washington. He has written several novels, but a great non-fiction book called Epicenter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    Hey fellas. This thread has taken a few twists and turns already, but getting toward the original post.....why are we Israel's only ally? I'm far from an expert on the subject and try your best not to flame me as I explain my knowledge on the subjet of Israel/Palestine without looking anything up...

    The Nazi's incinerated millions of Jews, so as some form of reparations, the United Nations carved out a piece of Palestine and declared "this is no longer your land Palestinians, this is now Israel, a land that Jews can call their own and be safe from all the people who hate them and wish them harm"....naturally, the Palestinians were like "ummm.....no" and have been resisting ever since. Wonder if the early resistors were called "insurgents".

    So...back to my original question. How is that "just" for the Palestinians? What if the UN declared that the entire population of Darfur was to inhabit half of Arizona, and that half would be referred to as Darfuria. Sure, it'd be a sweet deal for the Darfurians, but wouldn't there be Arizonan "insurgents" that rebelled against the apportioning of their land?

    I know this is a super-simplified account, but I'm putting what I know out there. Would love to hear where I'm right, wrong, etc.....and also some justification of Israel's existence. Allying ourselves with them seems to be quite the source of trouble for the good ol U.S.and A.

    It is complicated. If I could rewrite history, I'da carved out a portion of Germany and called it Israel, since afterall, most Germans were well aware of what was being done to the jews yet denied knowing after the war was over.

    The UK basicaly redrew the map of the middle east after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after WWI. Prior to WWII, the UK was the world's greatest superpower and controlled the entire mideast. They installed monarchs that ruled at the pleasure of the west. The Jews were driven out of Israel some 3000 years ago and giving them back the land was basically a reparation for the Holocaust.

    The Palestinians were pushed aside and forced off their land. It definitely wasn't fair. The Pals have basically been in a similar situation as the blacks were in S.Africa under British Apartheid rule. I think the biggest mistake is the way they resist it. If they had a leader like Ghandi, MLK, or Nelson Mandela, who preached peaceful, nonviolent resistance, they might get more international sympathy and ultimately have their own sovereign state. The biggest problem is that both the Jews and Muslims claim Jerusalem as their capital and believe the whole region to be their rightful holy land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roids1 View Post
    Te UN estimates that over 40% of the population is suffering from malnutrition. International aid workers have seen first hand children starving on concrete floors in orphanages. People risk their lives to flee to china to beg for food. The country has a dictator who is worshiped like a diety. Cell phones are banned, as well as private house phones. The televisions and radios receive only propaganda about the "Dear Leader. Trying to leave is considered treason and punishable by death. Thess are facts, not propaganda.
    Source please. Also,this falls under perceptions management.

    Perception management is a term originated by the U. S. military. The U. S. Department of Defense (DOD) gives this definition:

    "Actions to convey and/or deny selected information and indicators to influence emotions, motives, and objective reasoning as well as to intelligence systems and leaders at all levels to influence official estimates, ultimately resulting in foreign behaviors and official actions favorable to the originator’s objectives. In various ways, perception management combines truth projection, operations security, cover and deception, and psychological operations."
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    Just do a google search and you will find more than enough sources to piss you off.
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    Israel will always avoid questions concerning human rights violations and any type of true and fair treaty. So long as our media has Israel's back on every war crime they commit, there will never be peace. Hamas is made more than accountable for it's actions against the peace process by what not Israel?

    The kill ratio is 400:1 and some how Hamas is the only bad guy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by roids1 View Post
    Just do a google search and you will find more than enough sources to piss you off.
    Againerceptions management= ""Actions to convey and/or deny selected information and indicators to influence emotions, motives, and objective reasoning as well as to intelligence systems and leaders at all levels to influence official estimates, ultimately resulting in foreign behaviors and official actions favorable to the originator’s objectives."

    You think that all the reports are totally accurate from outside N. Korea but from inside it is pure propaganda?
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    You're a regular John Wayne with the mouse when it comes to cutting and pasting.

    The short answer to your question is yes. Have you ever read the KCNA or Pyongyang Times? I have just for fun. When a "newspaper" is full of nothing but stories of how wonderful the "Great Leader" is, how he is revered throught the world as a genious (when we all know that isn't true), and how S.Korean people are starving and living under a US tyrrany (we also know is false), I have no choice but to believe that their media is full of BS and propaganda and that the other 99.9% of the worldwide media, telling an opposite story (as well as the defectors) just may contain a grain of truth.

    I don't know what you're currently taking for these delusions. Halodrol, thorazine? I think you may need to see your doc about having the dosage adjusted.

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    Israel is in a tough situation. You have the ever growing power of the radical settler movement contrasted with the desire of most Israelis to have a mostly secular existance. Most people tend to focus on the Palestinian issue as israel's primary problem. However, the settler issue increasingly influencing the Israeli government's position on the palestinian issue.

    The settlers are increasingly expressing a willingness to to resort to violence if things don't go their way. As such, the israeli government must move carefully on this issue. The fact that the Palestinian's often resort to jackass methods to "further" their cause just plays right into the hands of the israeli government....that the Palestionians are a bunch of crazed nuts that can't be trusted.

    Furthermore, Hamas is heavily funded by Iran. Israel is hardly the only country in the region that is not exactly excited about another iranin puppet regime gaining more influence. I find it interesting that many don't questions Iran's intentions in funding Hamas. Iran is trying to influence the region in a very meddlesome manner. yet people tend to fixate on the US as the sole source of such behaviors...interesting.

    Ahmadinejad runs around saying outrageous things for the very same reason Israel plays up his comments. Quite simply it distracts from the grim domestic realities. However, this can quickly become a dangerous game of political chicken. Prior to the US invasion of Iraq, Saddam NEVER denied possessing weapons of mass destruction. The fact that none were ever found does not make the realitiy of what happened in iraq any different.
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    Has anyone forgot about the alliance Putin made with Iran concerning weapons and nuclear technology? No one has said much about Russia for a while, but they definitely are in cahoots with Iran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lutherblsstt View Post
    The point is that both sides are using propaganda,not just North Korea.
    The point is actually that your using Jimmy Carter to back up your statements just makes you look like a moron. Carter is one of the most failed presidents in US history, and a crackpot when it comes to foreign policy. He loves to give voice to terrorists and dictators out of some maligned identification with the underdog, without first identifying who the party really is and what they stand for.

    I have a question for you: why Israel? I'm pretty sure you're not Jewish. So why spend so much time creating threads against Israel. Do you really believe Israel, on the world scale of things, is the biggest problem, the wisest use of your sandy vag time? You claim Israel perpetrates atrocities; yet you ignore the Congo, Sudan, China, Burma/Myanmar, Pakistan, etc. Really? You really believe Israel is the problem we should all be looking at here?

    So, why the vendetta against Israel? Because it's the hip thing among academics? It plays well with the foreign chicks, shows you care, man!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post
    Has anyone forgot about the alliance Putin made with Iran concerning weapons and nuclear technology? No one has said much about Russia for a while, but they definitely are in cahoots with Iran.
    Cahoots? Russia built Bushehr. Russia supplies Iran and Syria with weapons, and funds Hizbullah to the tune of $100 million a year in weapons and training.
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    I realized quickly that luther had no credibility when he started claiming N. Korea's problems were a creation of western "propaganda." It's just tragic that we have so many whackjobs like him in academia brainwashing young people.

    These days, in academia, it seems that to be considered an intellectual, one only needs to be an opposer of the status quo. Whether or not you have anything of value to offer or any of your ideas are in anyway logical doesn't really matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    The point is actually that your using Jimmy Carter to back up your statements just makes you look like a moron. Carter is one of the most failed presidents in US history, and a crackpot when it comes to foreign policy. He loves to give voice to terrorists and dictators out of some maligned identification with the underdog, without first identifying who the party really is and what they stand for.

    I have a question for you: why Israel? I'm pretty sure you're not Jewish. So why spend so much time creating threads against Israel. Do you really believe Israel, on the world scale of things, is the biggest problem, the wisest use of your sandy vag time? You claim Israel perpetrates atrocities; yet you ignore the Congo, Sudan, China, Burma/Myanmar, Pakistan, etc. Really? You really believe Israel is the problem we should all be looking at here?

    So, why the vendetta against Israel? Because it's the hip thing among academics? It plays well with the foreign chicks, shows you care, man!?
    There is no "vendetta" against Israel on my part,just so happens that the US government treats Israel as if it was a part of the United States and an inordinate amount of our tax dollars go to Israel,which I think is absurd.

    The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is one of the world’s major sources of instability. Americans are directly connected to this conflict, and increasingly imperiled by its devastation.

    For example,during Fiscal Year 2009, the U.S. is providing Israel with at least $7.0 million per day in military aid (http://opencrs.com/getfile.php?rid=80868)

    By the way,Carter is no different than a long line of Presidents when it comes to who he "hangs" with,many of the world's most repressive dictators have been friends of America.

    Tyrants, torturers, killers, dictators and corrupt puppet-presidents have been aided, supported, and rewarded handsomely for their loyalty to US interests. See: http://www.funkiness.com/dictators/
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    Quote Originally Posted by roids1 View Post
    I realized quickly that luther had no credibility when he started claiming N. Korea's problems were a creation of western "propaganda."

    I never said that,I asked how do you know about N. Korea's problems,never denied they have them (as do all countries to varying degrees) My point was that N. Koreas problems are obviously presented in the worst light possible by their enemies (the US,Japan,etc.) and in the best light by them and their allies,the truth likely lies somewhere in between.

    It's just tragic that we have so many whackjobs like him in academia brainwashing young people.
    Yes,terrible to be encouraging young people to question what the media (or anyone,even me) spoon feeds them and to think critically,just awful!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lutherblsstt View Post
    I never said that,I asked how do you know about N. Korea's problems,never denied they have them (as do all countries to varying degrees) My point was that N. Koreas problems are obviously presented in the worst light possible by their enemies (the US,Japan,etc.) and in the best light by them and their allies,the truth likely lies somewhere in between.
    You are correct in your last point. Saddam was our favorite dictator for a long time and that angers me. He was the replacement of the Shah of Iran, who was basically the equivalent of Saddam in Iran.

    Yes,terrible to be encouraging young people to question what the media (or anyone,even me) spoon feeds them and to think critically,just awful!
    Encouraging critical thinking and indoctrinating students into your way of thinking are not the same thing. Your attempt to draw a moral equivalency between the INTERNATIONAL community's criticism of N.Korea and N.Korea's state propaganda machine as well as their brutal repression of their people is absurd on its face.
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    [QUOTE=lutherblsstt;2041344]There is no "vendetta" against Israel on my part,just so happens that the US government treats Israel as if it was a part of the United States and an inordinate amount of our tax dollars go to Israel,which I think is absurd.

    The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is one of the world’s major sources of instability. Americans are directly connected to this conflict, and increasingly imperiled by its devastation.

    For example,during Fiscal Year 2009, the U.S. is providing Israel with at least $7.0 million per day in military aid ([url]http://opencrs.com/getfile.php?rid=80868[/url])


    Luther, if you read the report you cited, it lists all the money the US has given to [B]the Palestinians[B], not Israel. It lists all the ways the US has given money through second and third parties, since giving directly to the Hamas led governtment would look pretty bad.

    Yes the US supports Israel, or at least used to. It's hard to say how Obama is going to play things out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roids1 View Post



    Encouraging critical thinking and indoctrinating students into your way of thinking are not the same thing. Your attempt to draw a moral equivalency between the INTERNATIONAL community's criticism of N.Korea and N.Korea's state propaganda machine as well as their brutal repression of their people is absurd on its face.
    Again,I encourage young people to question what the media (or anyone,even me) spoon feeds them and to think critically. For example,you put INTERNATIONAL in bold but fail to realize that what they (the UN,etc.) state is backed by an agenda as is anything coming out of N. Korea or any other country. You just fail to grasp that particular nuance.
  

  
 

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