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The Obama Deception is a hard-hitting film that completely destroys the myth that Barack Obama is working for the best interests of the American people. (what recent President has?)


The Obama Deception
 
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It still carries too much of a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theory type for me to watch the whole way through. When the narrator/pretend journalist is at the hotel and is spastic about "now they are watching me", I couldn't continue watching it.

That said, duh. Each president has their own agenda, their own ideas of what is best for america. "what recent president has", probably "what president ever really has".

As we are a nation of x number of people, there is no 1 simple answer that is best for all of us on almost any topic. You will disappoint some people when you make others happy. Medicare Part D providing drug benefits for seniors is great if you are a senior, it sucks if you are a taxpayer. Whereas giving a lower increase in social security payments for the year sucks if you are a senior, but is nice if you are a taxpayer....
 
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Ah, would this be the same Gerald Celente who incorrectly predicted John Kerry's win in 2004, and myriad other completely unfounded and incorrect assumptions?
 
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You Obama sent up a test balloon to see how having our wounded warriors (disabled vets) pay for their medical care through their private insurance 1st before taping into the Gov't? Pentagon and the VA shot it down pretty hard and fast, but WTF??????????

I can not stand behind that.


He states no one under $XX.XX income will have taxes raised, but whatever. He just means straight income tax and neglects all the small here and there taxes everyone will get hit with. Tax people directly for the healthcare provided by their employers??? If I pay the 1st 1000 of my health care and my employer pays the other 3000, don't freaking tax me on all 4000! Seriously what is he thinking???

On another note... I saw the new Marine One helicopter today on my base.
 

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I don't need this video to tell that another US president is going to screw us over. Smiles to our faces, and giving us the finger behind our back.

i hope Americans start to open their eyes and start arming themselves.

Presidents are not free minded thinking people they have always puppets. I admire JFk for sacrificing his life because of what he wanted to do for the American people. He was the last person to actually fight against Oligarchs. RIP.
 

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It still carries too much of a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theory type for me to watch the whole way through. When the narrator/pretend journalist is at the hotel and is spastic about "now they are watching me", I couldn't continue watching it.

That said, duh. Each president has their own agenda, their own ideas of what is best for america. "what recent president has", probably "what president ever really has".

As we are a nation of x number of people, there is no 1 simple answer that is best for all of us on almost any topic. You will disappoint some people when you make others happy. Medicare Part D providing drug benefits for seniors is great if you are a senior, it sucks if you are a taxpayer. Whereas giving a lower increase in social security payments for the year sucks if you are a senior, but is nice if you are a taxpayer....

Only time will tell and hopefully you start to notice the trend that is occuring around the US. Now more than ever it matters most to keep our 2nd Amendment rights.

Questioning the official story is the only way the people can find truth. If you don't like the video why not try doing some investigation on your own? Perhaps you will come across the same conclusions.
 

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Ah, would this be the same Gerald Celente who incorrectly predicted John Kerry's win in 2004, and myriad other completely unfounded and incorrect assumptions?
Here he is on Fox,they say he has been pretty accurate in the past.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46MEqEgdLTg"]YouTube - Fox Business: Gerald Celente Predicts Revolution[/ame]
 

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lets all get our tinfoil hats on. I am sure the NWO is getting ready to finish the official take over

I love this stuff
 
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I recently finally got a chance to watch this latest film by Alex Jones. I thought it was well done and he did a good job of breaking down how Obama doesn't control anything. I just wonder if more people will realise...
I liked that he included Dr. Ron Paul's brother in it, and Webster Tarpley did a pretty good job. Alex could have went a lot deeper on this and said some wilder stuff but I think he held back so he would not turn everybody off.
 
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This is why shooting people should not be illegal -.- If I had enough men, and the right tools, solving many of the worlds issue is a simple feat. If not a crimson one...
 

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lol revolution? ROFL! more politically biased alarmists
This video is a little far fetched, but a second revolution is not too far away. We no longer live within a constitutional government. It's apparent from your last two posts that you have no idea what's happening right under your nose.

Obama just forced the CEO of a private company (GM) to resign. Does that sound like a free-market to you? No, it sounds like the destruction of capitalism.
 
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...the destruction of capitalism.
It appears to me, particularly when considering events which are happening right under my nose, that capitalism is being destroyed as an economic ideology quite adequately by its supposed proprietors - and that is giving the benefit of the doubt that free-market capitalism does, or has within the last fifty years, exist[ed].
 

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This video is a little far fetched, but a second revolution is not too far away. We no longer live within a constitutional government. It's apparent from your last two posts that you have no idea what's happening right under your nose.

Obama just forced the CEO of a private company (GM) to resign. Does that sound like a free-market to you? No, it sounds like the destruction of capitalism.
Exactly.

This story came out today:

"Obama asserts gov't control over the auto industry

AP - President Barack Obama asserted unprecedented government control over the auto industry Monday, bluntly rejecting turnaround plans by General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC."

http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/topstories/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090331/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_autos

Call me a traditionalist, but when the president of the United States can dictate who heads the biggest industrial company, there ain’t much left to Yankee capitalism. In fact, with Washington owning most of the mortgage business, busy nationalizing Citibank, poised to take over BoA and AIG, and now with presidential fingers all over the car business, there should be few doubts this is a new game. And a dangerous one.
 
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Obama just forced the CEO of a private company (GM) to resign. Does that sound like a free-market to you? No, it sounds like the destruction of capitalism.
(sniff)(sniff)..whats that i smell? o wait..i no..IT'S SOCIALISM! i said this guy was a socialist ever since I heard him talk for the first time. yeah he's a great public speaker...but so was Hitler.
 
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The Obama Deception is a hard-hitting film that completely destroys the myth that Barack Obama is working for the best interests of the American people. (what recent President has?)
Barak Obama is just like George W. Bush. He's an amiable putz who will serve whatever special interests put him where he is.

It appears to me, particularly when considering events which are happening right under my nose, that capitalism is being destroyed as an economic ideology quite adequately by its supposed proprietors - and that is giving the benefit of the doubt that free-market capitalism does, or has within the last fifty years, exist[ed].
It still exists, in the rubber dog **** industry, in the computer industry, and in qute a few others as well, markets that are for the most part free and unhindered. It doesn't exist and hasn't for a while in markets like energy, autos, banking, health care, etc.
 
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Nope. Socialists only take over businesses/capitalism when it's doing really well so they can finance their flawed ideaology..ala Hugo Chavez and oil. As a matter of semantics..Obama "asked" that the head of GM step down...but so did most of GM's shareholders.

Taking over failing businesses that ask to be taken over is a money losing proposition for everyone...but don't let the obvious whack y'all in the head or anything.
 
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Taking over failing businesses that ask to be taken over is a money losing proposition for everyone...but don't let the obvious whack y'all in the head or anything.
Nope. It's a money maker for everyone who gets to live off the tax payer tit while trying to make the business work while completely divorcing it from the profit loss test. Kind of like some old stupid hag paying a group of puppeteers to 'animate' the corpse of her dead husband. Never forget, someone is making out.
 
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Nope. Socialists only take over businesses/capitalism when it's doing really well so they can finance their flawed ideaology..ala Hugo Chavez and oil. As a matter of semantics..Obama "asked" that the head of GM step down...but so did most of GM's shareholders.

Taking over failing businesses that ask to be taken over is a money losing proposition for everyone...but don't let the obvious whack y'all in the head or anything.
sooooo wrong. The socialists here will take over anything they CAN, as they are already financed by the media + entertainment industry, plus bleeding hearts. And taking over failing ones and keeping them alive gives more justification to taking over others "to protect the children". As a GM shareholder, i'd like you to tell me where there was a vote, or any sort of official survey that you got that "so did most of GM's stockholders". He's been revoted in many times, and has a decent vision.

GM didn't ask to be taken over, they asked for a bridge loan. And its not a money loosing proposition for everyone, as Obama gets to show his support for the UAW as a part of it, and he can add all 1.5 million jobs to the "3 million jobs i'm going to create or save"
 
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It still exists, in the rubber dog **** industry, in the computer industry, and in qute a few others as well, markets that are for the most part free and unhindered. It doesn't exist and hasn't for a while in markets like energy, autos, banking, health care, etc.
For all intensive purposes, in industries of consequence [as you have said here] free-market capitalism is a Chimera. I grow tired of both pro-capital/pro-socialism sentiment, as well as the tin-hat musings of the negative determination of each debate, for precisely that reason; there are individuals on each side of the debate wildly generalizing two systems of Political Philosophy without a clue what historically constitutes either. People think they are defending "Capitalism", when, really, they are defending retarded forms of pro-capital bureaucratic oligarchies.
 
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For all intensive purposes, in industries of consequence [as you have said here] free-market capitalism is a Chimera. I grow tired of both pro-capital/pro-socialism sentiment, as well as the tin-hat musings of the negative determination of each debate, for precisely that reason; there are individuals on each side of the debate wildly generalizing two systems of Political Philosophy without a clue what historically constitutes either. People think they are defending "Capitalism", when, really, they are defending retarded forms of pro-capital bureaucratic oligarchies.
Also, I mean retarded in the literal sense of slowed and/or mitigated, not mentally disabled.
 
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Not "bowling like i was in the special olympics" retarded?
That was quite the gaffe, was it not? I could honestly care less, though, as I am neither an American or a Democrat.
 
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it was pretty funny. really a 130s isn't that horrifying of a score either.
 
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it was pretty funny. really a 130s isn't that horrifying of a score either.
I was wondering, "Does he know cameras are rolling?" That is something my eighteen year-old brother would say!
 
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For all intensive purposes, in industries of consequence [as you have said here] free-market capitalism is a Chimera. I grow tired of both pro-capital/pro-socialism sentiment, as well as the tin-hat musings of the negative determination of each debate, for precisely that reason; there are individuals on each side of the debate wildly generalizing two systems of Political Philosophy without a clue what historically constitutes either. People think they are defending "Capitalism", when, really, they are defending retarded forms of pro-capital bureaucratic oligarchies.
You could just say neo mercantilism, fascism, or socialism. Leads to less headaches. In fact if you haven't already you should check out one of Hans-Herman Hoppe's first works in English. He pretty much reasons out that there are only two systems of social organization, socialism and capitalism, and that all systems that exist are right/left wing mixes to varying degrees of each. Doesn't take the nuances away, but it does make the framework with which you view the world a bit clearer.
 
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You could just say neo mercantilism, fascism, or socialism. Leads to less headaches. In fact if you haven't already you should check out one of Hans-Herman Hoppe's first works in English. He pretty much reasons out that there are only two systems of social organization, socialism and capitalism, and that all systems that exist are right/left wing mixes to varying degrees of each. Doesn't take the nuances away, but it does make the framework with which you view the world a bit clearer.
It is funny you mention that, as I was going to add on the "quadratic" element of political philosophy to my previous point - that is, as you have said, that there exists only pro-capital/anti-socialism, and pro-socialism/anti-capital [...or principle to that of...] derivatives.
 

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The Obama Deception is actually a pretty good film, well made and documented. The whole point is to present these things to wake people up and get them to do their own homework. Only a fool would believe everything the government (or anyone else) says is true without checking the facts. With that said, there were a couple cheesy moments in the movie, not enough to take away from the blunt reality of it though
 
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With that said, there were a couple cheesy moments in the movie, not enough to take away from the blunt reality of it though
wrong, they were enough to take away from any other content, because I stopped watching it at that point. I hate self aggrandizing or trying to romanticize to try and make things seem more important. Its called "lying", and the rest of what you say looses credibility at that point.
 

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This video is a little far fetched, but a second revolution is not too far away. We no longer live within a constitutional government. It's apparent from your last two posts that you have no idea what's happening right under your nose.

Obama just forced the CEO of a private company (GM) to resign. Does that sound like a free-market to you? No, it sounds like the destruction of capitalism.
to bail the company out under that condition...get rid of the dude who ****ed it up. sounds logical in my book.
 

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to bail the company out under that condition...get rid of the dude who ****ed it up. sounds logical in my book.
First off, they shouldn't be bailing out failing businesses.

Second, if they're pissed off about how they spent the bailout money, maybe they should have put restrictions on it before they gave it.

Last, allowing the president to have his hand in the free market AT ALL is completely unconstitutional.

I guarantee over in Europe, all these countries blaming the US for this global crisis, Obama is being the croanie that he is and is agreeing with them. "Oh, I know! I inherited this mess..." :rolleyes:
 
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Exactly.

This story came out today:

"Obama asserts gov't control over the auto industry

AP - President Barack Obama asserted unprecedented government control over the auto industry Monday, bluntly rejecting turnaround plans by General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC."

http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/topstories/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090331/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_autos

Call me a traditionalist, but when the president of the United States can dictate who heads the biggest industrial company, there ain’t much left to Yankee capitalism..
When the "Yankee capitalists" go hat-in-hand to the government for a hand out of the hole they've dug for themselves, they've abandoned any pretense to the jobs they once held. They have de-facto nationalized themselves, sticking the public - via their representatives - with an ugly mess of which the "Yankee capitalists" wash their hands like Pilate while making sure they take everything that's not nailed down on their way out (Lovely $20,000,000 severance pkg there, Mr. GMCEO - *GOSH* it's lucky it wasn't tied to your performance! How did THAT happen?)

Wanna blame someone for the destruction of capitalism? Blame the capitalists, starting with Adam Smith & the members of the British aristocracy who hired him to optimize their cash extraction - especially as they've had a progressively freer hand since Reagan took office.

Oh, wait - I forgot. Democrats are to blame for everything, *especially* when the GOP controls all of Washington. I keep forgetting that, since logic, history, & all the evidence point in the other direction.

You can call me a traditionalist, too (and you'd be right) - but the ultimate difficulty w/ tradition is that things change, old ways fail, and you can no longer succeed just by doing what you've always done.

Just like in the gym.

(cue barking in 3..2..1...)
 
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When the "Yankee capitalists" go hat-in-hand to the government for a hand out of the hole they've dug for themselves, they've abandoned any pretense to the jobs they once held.
Why do tools continue to call a LOAN a handout?
 
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It is funny you mention that, as I was going to add on the "quadratic" element of political philosophy to my previous point - that is, as you have said, that there exists only pro-capital/anti-socialism, and pro-socialism/anti-capital [...or principle to that of...] derivatives.
So, monolithic "socialist" and "capitalist" economics are the ONLY BASES of social organization? Man, that's too easily falsifiable. Completely ignores issues such as scarcity & abundance, the role of power - pretty much everything we know about pre-"Wealth-of-Nations" social systems & pre-industrial societies.

I'll see if I can find something by Hoppe (how about a rec, CBD?), but it'll have to be real compelling.
 
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Why do tools continue to call a LOAN a handout?
Isn't that what *BANKS* are for, bro?

Edit: are you *really* calling me a tool for seeing it differently from you, Easy? Never called you names, no matter how much I've disagreed w/ you. In case you're still sleepy, I said "a hand out of the hole they've dug..." it has nothing to do with loans: if you ask for a favor, don't diss, or set conditions on, the granting of the favor you ask for - or those you're asking. In this case, the US taxpayer, in the 'collective' form of the government.

Is my point clearer now?
 
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Isn't that what *BANKS* are for, bro?
So banks are constantly giving handouts? The CRA forced banks to write loans to subprime lenders, the SBA uses government funds to back loans, your freakin mortgage is probably backed by Fanny Mae/Freddie Mac who were always governmental entities, your savings account is backed by FDIC. Not sure I understand your point as the government has for a long time been involved in banking, bro.
 

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Exactly,why can't his followers understand this?
 
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So, monolithic "socialist" and "capitalist" economics are the ONLY BASES of social organization? Man, that's too easily falsifiable. Completely ignores issues such as scarcity & abundance, the role of power - pretty much everything we know about pre-"Wealth-of-Nations" social systems & pre-industrial societies.
Not quite. Capitalism and socialism are two ends of a spectrum of organization. So you have 'pure' capitalism, absolute protection of private property and freedom of trade, 'pure' socialism, absolute common ownership and planning of trade, neither system of which is practically maintainable in reality, and then what lies in between. Hoppe being Hoppe, naturally he starts at the pure capitalism end of things and defines intrusions into that ideal as socialist.

I'll see if I can find something by Hoppe (how about a rec, CBD?), but it'll have to be real compelling.
Here it is, just released apparently too.
 
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Why do tools continue to call a LOAN a handout?
Because a LOAN is a temporary handover of funds to be paid back at interest determined by the length of the loan and the availability of real savings to fund it for that term. In other words the government is incapable of giving a loan, just as it is incapable of producing a car, at least incapable of doing both for profit. Even if they take back more than was given or sell the car for more than the inputs cost, since there was no assessment of opportunity cost for the provision of the inputs - steel, labor, plastic, real savings, etc. - there's no way to know if the resources would have been better used elsewhere. The end result is not the outcome of economizing behavior. The end result is a guaranteed loss over time. Therefore LOAN = handout.
 
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Because a LOAN is a temporary handover of funds to be paid back at interest determined by the length of the loan and the availability of real savings to fund it for that term. In other words the government is incapable of giving a loan, just as it is incapable of producing a car, at least incapable of doing both for profit. Even if they take back more than was given or sell the car for more than the inputs cost, since there was no assessment of opportunity cost for the provision of the inputs - steel, labor, plastic, real savings, etc. - there's no way to know if the resources would have been better used elsewhere. The end result is not the outcome of economizing behavior. The end result is a guaranteed loss over time. Therefore LOAN = handout.
Then our entire financial system is based on handouts as again

The CRA forced banks to write loans to subprime lenders, the SBA uses government funds to back loans, your freakin mortgage is probably backed by Fanny Mae/Freddie Mac who were always governmental entities, your savings account is backed by FDIC.
 
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Exactly,why can't his followers understand this?
You are not allowed to agree with me.

Just kidding.

Group think is your answer. Watch Bill Maher at all? I still tune in occasionally to see what he's up to. Salman Rushdie was on, when asked how what Obama is doing is any different from what Bush did he foundered and basically just fell back on insulting Bush. It's not a question of right or wrong for such people, it's a question of Us vs Them. That's why most Democrats will be sucking BHO's cock no matter how neonconny he gets in policy, just the way most Republicans let GWB shaft them up the ass with some of the biggest market interventions in history, acts that if undertaken by a Democrat would have given the Republicans seizures. It is, sadly enough, the same psychology that dictates sporting team loyalties. As if fans of team X or Y actually get anything or accomplish anything themselves if 'their' team wins. It's mere tribalism. They are not Us, therefore they are bad and Us are good. Actions taken by Us are good even if same action taken by They is bad. Ugh, Ugh.
 
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Then our entire financial system is based on handouts as again
Yes, it is. That's the basic purpose of the Fed, to provide access to money and credit at below market prices. It's just a back door method of wealth redistribution. When it becomes impossible to steal via that method the government reverts to direct theft. All the money you see getting funnelled to these companies via bailouts, TARP, etc., is money and credit they would have gotten anyway had it been possible to keep the supply of money and credit flowing. We would just have paid for it via taxes and devalued wages down the line. But real things rule in the economy. A price control below market means an eventual shortage, whether it's the price of ice, oreos, or credit being fixed.

You see, in an unscrewed with market the rate and availability of loanable funds is a function of savings; how much and for how long? The answers for that vis a vi savings are what dictate supply and pricing for credit. Bankers don't like that, especially investment bankers who have a sure shot investment idea which, if the rest of the world would only recognize their genius would have them being showered with investment capital. But that for some inexplicable reason isn't happening so they ask, "Please Big Pappa government, would you lower the price of long term capital so my business which in all honesty looks like complete **** now actually looks like it will turn a profit?"
 
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You are not allowed to agree with me.
I feel the same way about him :D

Group think is your answer. Watch Bill Maher at all? I still tune in occasionally to see what he's up to. Salman Rushdie was on, when asked how what Obama is doing is any different from what Bush did he foundered and basically just fell back on insulting Bush. It's not a question of right or wrong for such people, it's a question of Us vs Them. That's why most Democrats will be sucking BHO's cock no matter how neonconny he gets in policy, just the way most Republicans let GWB shaft them up the ass with some of the biggest market interventions in history, acts that if undertaken by a Democrat would have given the Republicans seizures. It is, sadly enough, the same psychology that dictates sporting team loyalties. As if fans of team X or Y actually get anything or accomplish anything themselves if 'their' team wins. It's mere tribalism. They are not Us, therefore they are bad and Us are good. Actions taken by Us are good even if same action taken by They is bad. Ugh, Ugh.
Another reason though is that it allows the successful people who support him to assuage their guilt over what was done in the past to blacks, so he can do no wrong.

Greatest orator of our time? not even close, and I think i'm the only person who believes that statement is the semantic equivalent to "he speaks so well for a black man"
 
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So, monolithic "socialist" and "capitalist" economics are the ONLY BASES of social organization? Man, that's too easily falsifiable. Completely ignores issues such as scarcity & abundance, the role of power - pretty much everything we know about pre-"Wealth-of-Nations" social systems & pre-industrial societies.
Indeed, the so-called "pre-capital" societies are appreciably more difficult to categorically analyze than contemporary societies: while the means of value production - mostly agrarian in nature - were most certainly collectivized, such means were subordinated to the wishes of the highest class strata, and; contrarily, currency also existed as a relativizing commodity, but was most primarily a method of exchange, rather than a value creator itself [vis-a-vis being so-called, "money capital", with the technical-rational taxation systems adherent thereto].

In compounding this confusion, however, the more advanced classics [see: Indo-American, Egyptian, Romans and so forth] most certainly had interest and tax systems, necessarily positioning capital [whether in money-capital or private property] as the determinant form of self-enlarging value - the key characterizer of capitalistic economies. So, as you have said, characterizing all pre-industrial societies with one broad, negative stroke may be presumptuous; however, I did not - the word "derivative" was meant to precisely encompass a wide spectra of social organizations that, ultimately, can be considered in regard to their determinant method of value production in an aggregate fashion, and the relative position to capitalism or socialism *.

It appears you have analyzed the distribution of the social capital as the primary determiner of an economic system's label, where I am more primarily concerned with its mode of production; and, further, you seem to be extrapolating the microscopic perspective of exchange to the macroscopic context.

* I say aggregate as value production, distribution and exchange on the level of the individual firm involves microscopic imperatives such as coercion, power, status and so forth that obfuscate their nature; as a result, modes of value production must be considered in the aggregate.
 
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You are not allowed to agree with me.

Just kidding.

Group think is your answer. Watch Bill Maher at all? I still tune in occasionally to see what he's up to. Salman Rushdie was on, when asked how what Obama is doing is any different from what Bush did he foundered and basically just fell back on insulting Bush. It's not a question of right or wrong for such people, it's a question of Us vs Them. That's why most Democrats will be sucking BHO's cock no matter how neonconny he gets in policy, just the way most Republicans let GWB shaft them up the ass with some of the biggest market interventions in history, acts that if undertaken by a Democrat would have given the Republicans seizures. It is, sadly enough, the same psychology that dictates sporting team loyalties. As if fans of team X or Y actually get anything or accomplish anything themselves if 'their' team wins. It's mere tribalism. They are not Us, therefore they are bad and Us are good. Actions taken by Us are good even if same action taken by They is bad. Ugh, Ugh.
I saw that episode, actually, and it was disappointing to see how much of a parrot Rushdie was. Great author, poor social commentator.
 
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Another reason though is that it allows the successful people who support him to assuage their guilt over what was done in the past to blacks, so he can do no wrong.
"He governs so well..."

Sad too. I had high hopes that, even though he was a Democrat, that he might come in with a shred of reality intruding into his brain. Hell, I would have given him socialized medicine if he had just come in and said, "Say good bye to the Federal Reserve, we can't spend or print our way out of debt, so the next couple years will suck but we'll get through it and be better for it when we're done."

Greatest orator of our time? not even close, and I think i'm the only person who believes that statement is the semantic equivalent to "he speaks so well for a black man"
Are you sure it's not just a relative judgement? I mean I don't think Bush deserved to be demonized, but if there was one major casualty of his presidency it was the English language. As long as you let Obama stay vague and talk about hope and **** he sounds good. It's specifics that bog him down and make him stutter. Bush couldn't read the instructions off a box of q-tips without stuttering, and probably would have ended up jamming one of them up his ass in the end anyway.
 

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