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**Beowulf** · 02-24-2005, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by str8flexed

well I did find this

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=14609312

but, the increase in GH did not increase IGF-1; additionally the experiment was rather poorely designed.

-Layne

Thanks Layne.

My science background is purely autodidactic, but it seems from that study that it does increase GH. Is that a significant increase? Glut. is expensive, and exercise already raises gh, so I can see what you mean about the lack of applicability of that study, at least in the sense that it does not apply to young bodybuilders.

Plus, as Bobo pointed out, if you consume adequate protein you will not be deficient in glutamine anyways. Once my glutamine is gone (I can't bare to toss it) I will save some $$ and not buy it again.

str8flexed · 02-24-2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Thanks Layne.

My science background is purely autodidactic, but it seems from that study that it does increase GH. Is that a significant increase? Glut. is expensive, and exercise already raises gh, so I can see what you mean about the lack of applicability of that study, at least in the sense that it does not apply to young bodybuilders.

Plus, as Bobo pointed out, if you consume adequate protein you will not be deficient in glutamine anyways. Once my glutamine is gone (I can't bare to toss it) I will save some $$ and not buy it again.

well first off, the study was done in aging men, who are already on the decline as far as GH goes... so this is certainly not applicable to everyone. Additionally, they were not weight trained so that makes a difference to us. And finally, it was the amino acid mixture vs. placebo (ie zero calories). So you don't know if it was the specific amino acids causing GH release or just the calories/nitrogen from those amino acids and you might have gotten it from a different combination of amino acids. They should have put it up against another isonitrogenous, isocaloric (same amount of nitrogen, same calories) mixture.

-Layne

**Beowulf** · 02-24-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by str8flexed

well first off, the study was done in aging men, who are already on the decline as far as GH goes... so this is certainly not applicable to everyone. Additionally, they were not weight trained so that makes a difference to us. And finally, it was the amino acid mixture vs. placebo (ie zero calories). So you don't know if it was the specific amino acids causing GH release or just the calories/nitrogen from those amino acids and you might have gotten it from a different combination of amino acids. They should have put it up against another isonitrogenous, isocaloric (same amount of nitrogen, same calories) mixture.

-Layne

Cool, thanks. So "iso" means same? I love learning the structure of words. Plus, I want to learn to read those studies, but with limited time and a ton of foreign language it is tough.

**Cuffs** · 02-24-2005, 07:24 PM

Welcome dude...great to have you over here (or back I should say)! I'm sure you can teach us (meaning me) a thing or two.

**kwyckemynd00** · 02-24-2005, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Cool, thanks. So "iso" means same?...

Yep...iso is used often in that sense. A familiar phrase to most is "isotonic solution".

**Beowulf** · 02-25-2005, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

Yep...iso is used often in that sense. A familiar phrase to most is "isotonic solution".

Or Whey Isolate, meaning uniform or homogeneous. So many words, well mainly Latinate words, have a logical structure. Once you learn a chunk you can apply that to so much more.

UNDERTAKER · 02-25-2005, 09:46 AM

wait wait, I dont mean to hijack this thread, but whats the deal with glutamine? So, its a total waste to buy? It doesnt speed up and foster recovery?

Str8----I have to hand it to you, going to school for your PhD, and you have time to look like that, and your aas free, your my idol

str8flexed · 02-25-2005, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by UNDERTAKER

wait wait, I dont mean to hijack this thread, but whats the deal with glutamine? So, its a total waste to buy? It doesnt speed up and foster recovery?

Str8----I have to hand it to you, going to school for your PhD, and you have time to look like that, and your aas free, your my idol

thanks man. I appreciate the compliments

glutamine is a pretty big rip. Almost all of the studies done on glutamine showing any positive benefits were done where glutamine was injected directly into the bloodstream; thus bypassing digestion. If you orally ingest glutamine, most of it gets degraded by the small intestine (it is the main fuel for the mucosal cells) to alanine and sent to the liver. You need a basal amount of glutamine for gut health and proper digestion in general but supplementing with it is certainly not nessecary unless you have an inflammatory bowel disease like Crohn's or Celiac's.

SJA · 02-25-2005, 12:51 PM

OH GEEZ...not another picture log of Layne!!! It took a year of watching Jenna Jamison flicks and chanting "I'm not gay" to get the naked pics of Layne and Ted out of my head from Avant.

And Derek.....didn't you teach Layne those calf morphing movements yet???

to both of you

houseman · 02-25-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast

Who is this guy?

oke:

Dude... no clue where you came from but you look good!

Where the **** is your waist?lol

JimJames · 02-25-2005, 03:52 PM

Dude, please tell me you are a classic endomorph so I have some hope....
Seriously, I first saw you on BB4U and was impressed. See you next weekend.

str8flexed · 02-25-2005, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JimJames

Dude, please tell me you are a classic endomorph so I have some hope....
Seriously, I first saw you on BB4U and was impressed. See you next weekend.

Thanks Jim, I was an ectomorph when i started... but I know numerous endomorphs who have done well to that end

Beast · 02-25-2005, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SJA

And Derek.....didn't you teach Layne those calf morphing movements yet???

to both of you

We didn't get to train legs at the Olympia, so I'll have to teach Layne in Columbus next week.

Beast · 02-25-2005, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by houseman

Dude... no clue where you came from but you look good!

Where the **** is your waist?lol

I won't steal Layne's thunder, so I guess I'll start my own pic thread

SCORPIO · 02-27-2005, 06:41 PM

Welcome Layne...good to see you and Derek around here. I remember both of you from way back on BB.com. Looks like you have your stuff together, good job!

zoomz · 02-27-2005, 08:45 PM

interesting on Glutamine; I was told anything under 5g gets wasted so for benefits >5g; personally i take for the immune system at least from what i have read. I am 57 right now and maybe the age makes a big difference. I'll take a little more than 5g am then same post workout and repeat at bedtime. I remember missing a week or so and got the flu or the start of one and hopped back on Glutamine and got back to normal; this somehow has stood out for me. I still plan on taking it but after your great posts will look closer and see feedback. Much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by str8flexed

well first off, the study was done in aging men, who are already on the decline as far as GH goes... so this is certainly not applicable to everyone. Additionally, they were not weight trained so that makes a difference to us. And finally, it was the amino acid mixture vs. placebo (ie zero calories). So you don't know if it was the specific amino acids causing GH release or just the calories/nitrogen from those amino acids and you might have gotten it from a different combination of amino acids. They should have put it up against another isonitrogenous, isocaloric (same amount of nitrogen, same calories) mixture.

-Layne

str8flexed · 02-28-2005, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by zoomz

interesting on Glutamine; I was told anything under 5g gets wasted so for benefits >5g; personally i take for the immune system at least from what i have read. I am 57 right now and maybe the age makes a big difference. I'll take a little more than 5g am then same post workout and repeat at bedtime. I remember missing a week or so and got the flu or the start of one and hopped back on Glutamine and got back to normal; this somehow has stood out for me. I still plan on taking it but after your great posts will look closer and see feedback. Much appreciated.

actually there is some data to suggest glutamine helps immune function in chronically diseased individuals but actually SUPRESSES immune function in healthy individuals.

-layne

zoomz · 02-28-2005, 11:59 AM

thanks for the reply layne; well i don't think i have a chronic disease(lol) but that is ceertainly interesting aboput the suppression.

interesting that my blood tests post very positive WBC numbers ; from the doctors point seems way above the average.
my nutrition is second to none as i do compete and like i read about getting enough Glut. I am now wondering if it is because of evrything else (Healthy diet + 1.25g/lb of protein) and not the Glutamine. maybe i should stop using once this batch is gone and have my levels checked in the fall. thanks.

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Originally Posted by str8flexed

actually there is some data to suggest glutamine helps immune function in chronically diseased individuals but actually SUPRESSES immune function in healthy individuals.

-layne