175lb to 255 in 11months

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by edwitt View Post
    Gonna have to disagree on a couple of levels, firstly whilst i certainly put on plenty of fat the last picture was @ the end of my last cycle and a considerable amount of that was water bloat. Im not that unahappy about the fat gained either as i took a powerlifting approach and in that respect i was entirely happy with a 375lb bench (would never have got there without the extra weight), i did take precautions in that regard had 5 blood tests in that period and monitored my blood pressure. Im currently down 21 lbs from the last pic and estimate another 12 - 15lb will put me in the 12% bf range right about where i started but with added 45lb muscle in 14 months thats 3.24lb per month and at the same got to set some big personal bests along the way. Not quite sure i understand this ref however "this is assuming lack of DNP/T3/Clen, etc.,)" is that a question? anyway cycling Clen/ECA every 2 weeks.

    The photos wont lie just give me another 32 days
    Clen and ephedrine are pretty much gonna activate the same receptors. Alternating them isn't really a good idea because your beta-adrenergic will remain down-regulated.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by wontstop985 View Post
    Clen and ephedrine are pretty much gonna activate the same receptors. Alternating them isn't really a good idea because your beta-adrenergic will remain down-regulated.
    Not necessarily true. Clen is a potent Beta-2 Adrenergic agonist which cause rapid down-regulation where as Ephedrine works within the sympathetic nervous system and indirectly activates not just the B-2 but beta as well as alpha adrenergic receptors by way of stimulatory effects on noradrenalin release. It is a poor agonist for the B-2 receptor. It is often used in conjunction with a 2 week Clen cycle so you can buy time while your adrenals up-regulate again. Taking an antihistamine like Diphenhydramine will help facilitate the up-regulation. Ketotifen also is another popular choice for this purpose. I will post later tonight about my experience with Clen edwitt. I am going to the gym now but will jump on AM before I finish studying for my exam in the morning, lol.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by meathed View Post
    Not necessarily true. Clen is a potent Beta-2 Adrenergic agonist which cause rapid down-regulation where as Ephedrine works within the sympathetic nervous system and indirectly activates not just the B-2 but beta as well as alpha adrenergic receptors by way of stimulatory effects on noradrenalin release. It is a poor agonist for the B-2 receptor. It is often used in conjunction with a 2 week Clen cycle so you can buy time while your adrenals up-regulate again. Taking an antihistamine like Diphenhydramine will help facilitate the up-regulation. Ketotifen also is another popular choice for this purpose. I will post later tonight about my experience with Clen edwitt. I am going to the gym now but will jump on AM before I finish studying for my exam in the morning, lol.
    Please...i would definitely appreciate that, just read this protocol http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=269240 its a good read

    this Take 50mg of Benadryl or another antihistamine containing 50mg of diphenhydrmine (sleep ease from boots chemist if you are in UK!) every night during every third week while you are on Clen. So I would dose my Clen as usual and at day 14 I would add the Benadryl every night for 7 nights (while still taking the clen). Discontinue the Benadryl until day 35 and repeat. I favour this method as it helps me sleep and does not affect my performance in the day. I believe we can thank Anthony Roberts for this method.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by meathed View Post
    Not necessarily true. Clen is a potent Beta-2 Adrenergic agonist which cause rapid down-regulation where as Ephedrine works within the sympathetic nervous system and indirectly activates not just the B-2 but beta as well as alpha adrenergic receptors by way of stimulatory effects on noradrenalin release. It is a poor agonist for the B-2 receptor. It is often used in conjunction with a 2 week Clen cycle so you can buy time while your adrenals up-regulate again. Taking an antihistamine like Diphenhydramine will help facilitate the up-regulation. Ketotifen also is another popular choice for this purpose. I will post later tonight about my experience with Clen edwitt. I am going to the gym now but will jump on AM before I finish studying for my exam in the morning, lol.

    Ive been running the ECA stack for about 6 weeks 5 days on 3 days off guess i should go and get some Benadryl and get on that? Clen prob ariives Friday
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  5. Physiology has nothing to do with mental, it's more based on biology. It's been a while since I dove into the mystery that is biology but I am almost sure I remember correctly. That being said, it was meant more to mean that you taxed your "body" to an extent which you may or may not have needed to...(i.e. a better way around the mountain than trying to go through it)

    Perhaps you taxed your mental stability as well but that wasn't the direction of that statement above, just saying...


    Incidentally, just what were your numbers on an average visit to the gym before the accident, strength wise that is?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    Physiology has nothing to do with mental, it's more based on biology. It's been a while since I dove into the mystery that is biology but I am almost sure I remember correctly. That being said, it was meant more to mean that you taxed your "body" to an extent which you may or may not have needed to...(i.e. a better way around the mountain than trying to go through it)

    Perhaps you taxed your mental stability as well but that wasn't the direction of that statement above, just saying...


    Incidentally, just what were your numbers on an average visit to the gym before the accident, strength wise that is?
    I had gone through a bit of a rough patch (2yrs no gym) booze drugs loose women etc i was burning the candles so to speak and then BAM. ****ed myself up real good, couple of ribs,lung, shattered femur etc. In retrospect however it gave me a good kick in the teeth and gave me new appreciation for life.

    So in answer to your question prior accident i was not in very good shape at all and i guess ive always had a predisposition to a go through the mountain or wall in my case, dont try that at home, it hurts.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by edwitt View Post
    I had gone through a bit of a rough patch (2yrs no gym) booze drugs loose women etc i was burning the candles so to speak and then BAM. ****ed myself up real good, couple of ribs,lung, shattered femur etc. In retrospect however it gave me a good kick in the teeth and gave me new appreciation for life.

    So in answer to your question prior accident i was not in very good shape at all and i guess ive always had a predisposition to a go through the mountain or wall in my case, dont try that at home, it hurts.

    Still unclear on the Clen but here goes....

    I will be taking Benadryl for 7 days @ 50mg a day and simultaneously starting the Clen @ 40mg guess i have 2 weeks to decide how to procede from there.

    Ill be sticking to the above high calorie diet that has been working with the ECA stack and adjust accordingly.
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  8. Now 14months and 5 days
    Day 64 of cut
    Day 5 of Clen

    Already up to 210mcg dose
    7.am 100mcg
    12pm 110mcg

    Going well down 1.4lb and 0.15in on waist, strength remains good. Seeing added vascularity in my arms since commencing the Clen
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  9. 5th Day into the Clen and weight is down to 228.4lb
    210mcg a day
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  10. Wow, that's a lot of clen.

  11. You only live once. Hope your keeping a record at home. Your braver than me. I do extreme things to myself but i don't tell anyone unless it works. When i take a before picture i won't look at it until after i've taken my after picture. I'm my worst critic. Keep going. As far as genetics goes, F$#@ genetics. Thats what smart scientists are for.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by omni View Post
    You only live once. Hope your keeping a record at home. Your braver than me. I do extreme things to myself but i don't tell anyone unless it works. When i take a before picture i won't look at it until after i've taken my after picture. I'm my worst critic. Keep going. As far as genetics goes, F$#@ genetics. Thats what smart scientists are for.
    Extremely happy to report Day 6 226.8 that down 5lbs in 5 days and 0.8" off the waist

  13. damn.. maybe i need to research clen for my next cut

  14. Stuff definitely works and it seems I am fortunate in that I have no adverse side effects

  15. 7 day Review of Clen

    Weight 226.4lb -5.6lb waist -1"

    Those are some pretty impressive results given the fact that i seemed to have been plateauing out on my ECA stack and given the success of weight loss on that 60 day cycle.

    Dosing has been twice a day 8a.m and 12 pm. It would seem that im taking an insanely high dose 240mcg yest but to be honest im having less side effects than my wife at 50mcg, my resilience to stims is nothing new my ephedrine levels were 150 a day no sides. Im going the "palumbo" route 6 weeks straight with Benadryl (flush my receptors) at 50 mg every 3rd week i also took it on my 1st week due to my heavy on off use of the ECA 5 days on 3 days of for 8 weeks.

    Sleep has been good the Benadryl at night has prob been helping, i found myself to be a little bit sluggish the first few days and added in 50mg Ephedrine ECA prior to hitting the gym for some zing, helps with my breathing too. ill try dropping that to 25mg

    Diet has been the exact same as on ECA stack 40 40 20 over 7 meals approx 3500 calories 100% clean, proteins have been chicken, fish, skim milk, eggs and powder. Carbs have been oats whole wheat pasta bread etc green veggies Waxmaize post WO shake. Ive also been cycling carbs down protein up on non heavy days, ive in no way noticed that Clen suppresses my appetite for those that might be wondering.

    Will be Increasing my CLA from 5000 to 8000 mg

    i may have to start a dietry log as the fat loss is going tp probably taper off and im gonna have to be more maticulous about my macros to manage fat loss and at the same time maintain muscle which is a major concern and the reason for my dietary approach.

    It would seem im reaping all the benefits and none of the sides that ive read so much about, on that note as i stated above my wife was non functional and very uncomfortable on just 50mcg so i would suggest not starting out any higher than 60mcg you can always add to that 4 hours later ater evaluating the effects.

    Strength remains at or near highs and muscle retention is looking good, i am particularly interested in the anabolic properties that have been reported and refuted, in the coming weeks i will give my honest opinion in that regard. I would love to add Anavar to this cycle however it is prohibitively expensive for me but that would be the absolute bomb if you could afford it.
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  16. Keep in mind that your not losing pure fat if your losing 1lb per day...It's impossible to create that kind of deficit and not sacrifice muscle tissue...Also some is water as well.

    Based on the pic you posted at 232lbs I would say that's about 18-20% BF{ hard to tell}...So to get lean you have at least another 10% to lose...You can count on 3lbs of weight loss per percentage of BF{generally}...This will put you at 8-10% roughly at 202-205lbs.

  17. So you don't believe its possible to get tp 10% without muscle loss. There certainly seems to be differing opinions. I know 10 or lower there's prob no way to avoid it but my research indicates given right diet and sups 10% is attainable, ill be throw Anvar in there

  18. Sure is...But your not doing it when your losing 5lbs in 5 days...To keep muscle loss to a minimum you should only be losing 2-3lbs per week max...Also some muscle loss is a given...However it's more than likely not gonna be enough to really make a difference.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by M16 View Post
    Sure is...But your not doing it when your losing 5lbs in 5 days...To keep muscle loss to a minimum you should only be losing 2-3lbs per week max...Also some muscle loss is a given...However it's more than likely not gonna be enough to really make a difference.
    Day 9
    weight 226.2lb -0.2

    Chest annihilation day

    Glad to see weight loss is tapering off i have read that Clen is responsible for excreting excess water that may be retained by the body and im thinking that is why i had such a large weight loss on days 4 and 5 (3.8lbs total). Such dramatic losses would not be condusive to muscle retention. Hoping for 3-4 lbs a week no diet change

    Logging my first run of Clen
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  20. looking much better man

  21. 2 WEEK REVIEW

    This morning Day 15 concludes 2 weeks of Clenbuterol

    Weighed in this morn @ 227.2 up 2lbs from yest however my waist is down 1.375" and my mid section 2" .... Im very happy with the Clen and feel that my workouts have become stronger as im not having to deal with the nauseating effect that the ECA can have on me @ high doses. Clerly i am able to tolerate high doses of Clen wothout any noticeable sides. Dose is up to 240mcg blood pressure 108 / 68 so all good there. I am definitely able to get my heart much higher with less intensity which has been great and has enabled me to turn many weight lifting sessions into cardio.

    Strenght has also been great, no loss in strenght lifts all at highs, confident muscle loss is minimal if at all. I am seeing more defenition in arms and shoulders but to be expected the waist is the hardest and last to go but still good progress.. As you can see from yesterdays meal breakdown i have a lot of room to play with when it comes to calories and carbs..

    In the next week i will be experimenting by cutting some carbs towards the end of the day and bumping the protein, if i can continue to loose the waist @ 0.75' a week then we are right on track Gonna go check the mailbox for my Anavar

    Clenbuterol is a non-steroidal β2 adrenergic agonist with some structural and pharmacological similarities to epinephrine and salbutamol, but its effects are more potent and longer-lasting as a stimulant and thermogenic drug. It causes an increase in aerobic capacity, central nervous system stimulation, and an increase in blood pressure and oxygen transportation. It increases the rate at which fats are metabolized, simultaneously increasing the body's BMR. (taken from Wikipedia)
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  22. Looking good man

  23. Very good job so far. keep it up!

  24. Ok im now on day 25 of my Clen/VAR cut

    introduced VAR @ 75mg ED on day 21

    Clen/VAR log continued
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  25. Looking great buddy!
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