175lb to 255 in 11months

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  1. Awesome progress bro. It is a lot to cut but I don't doubt you have the discipline and dedication to do it. I'm getting ready to start a bulk myself. Good motivation here. The post cut pics should be amazing.


  2. Quick updated picture of back only for now, plan is another 35 days of diet saving the best til last


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  3. how lean are you wanting to get?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by tumtum View Post
    how lean are you wanting to get?
    12% im a bit of an old man 42 and really not a big fan of the way 6 -8 % looks on guys my age, but i will evaluate when i hit my goal. Ill prob end up going for 10% see how that looks
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  5. Looks good. ~10% is a fair goal I'd say. No need to go lower really unless you want to look totally jacked. There is plenty of definition and separation of muscle groups present at ~10%. What is your diet consisting of right now and how many total Kcal are you taking in daily? Just curious. Keep it up.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by meathed View Post
    Looks good. ~10% is a fair goal I'd say. No need to go lower really unless you want to look totally jacked. There is plenty of definition and separation of muscle groups present at ~10%. What is your diet consisting of right now and how many total Kcal are you taking in daily? Just curious. Keep it up.
    Keeping the calories high, I have modified and cycling my carbs eating 100% clean and on ECA stack, HIIT cardio 5-6 days a week. So slow and steady maintain the muscle is the approach, in last 7 days weight remained the same but dropped 1/2 in on my waist, very happy with that, strength remains very near highs. Will be cycling clen and the ECA stack for 4 - 6 weeks starting March 1st.

    I dont count calories to much, i keep a mental of my macros in my head. Approx 1.5g prot per LB of target weight @ a 40 40 20 macro over the course of 6 -7 meals. On non my 2 non lifting days carbs go down to about 0.75 - 1g per lb of target weight. Also carbs are loaded around PRE and POST WO @ 80g pre WO and 110 post

    56 days into this cut im down 20lbs but prob up 3 or 4lb muscle mass, bench is the only area to suffer down from 375 to 355 all other lifts remain unchanged. I just started using powerlifting bands, **** i love em, really tricking my muscles out and stimulating some new growth.. LOVE EM
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by meathed View Post
    Looks good. ~10% is a fair goal I'd say. No need to go lower really unless you want to look totally jacked. There is plenty of definition and separation of muscle groups present at ~10%. What is your diet consisting of right now and how many total Kcal are you taking in daily? Just curious. Keep it up.
    oh and if the retards from yesterday are reading, Libertan01 and co (doubt it, that would require time and use of the search button) i obtained the vast majority of my knowledge from the likes of you and others on this board, nutrition, supps, training, cardio, yes and the use of AAS. Its all here if your prepared to look, knowledge is king well its a close second to cash.

    Great site

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  8. nice progress man.. that's a pretty good rate to lose weight at.. about a pound every 3 days.. i've been dieting for since the 5th of jan and have only lost around 13.. i've been tryin to take it slow. i lose muscle pretty easily and its very hard for me to put it on...

    my last few weeks of dieting i'll be in ketosis... so far the foods taste A LOT better.

  9. gonna need a strong cut, chest grew a ton though

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Come AtMe Bro View Post
    gonna need a strong cut, chest grew a ton though
    7"
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  11. my chest wont get over 44.. i hate my genetics... if there was a way to measure the upper chest.. it would read -20... once again.. i hate my genetics

  12. Lookin good man!

    Time for a longer pair of shorts while you're on the beach though! haha jk

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  13. Quote Originally Posted by FatalFunnel View Post
    Lookin good man!

    Time for a longer pair of shorts while you're on the beach though! haha jk

    Nobody likes short shorts
    fair comment
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  14. If I was being entirely forthcoming, and basing this only off the pictures you have posted, I would say you have done this in the most difficult and physiologically taxing way possible. You estimate only 35lbs of that is fat, but I find that difficult to believe: even on a so-called "lean-bulk," one can fairly estimate fat gain to be about 10-15% of total body mass increase (this is assuming lack of DNP/T3/Clen, etc.,). Given the increase in gross-musculature over this same period, the gains in body fat can seem relatively negligible to the eye. Given the extremely visible nature of your fat mass, in conjunction with the fact the general composition and structure of the underlying muscle has not seemed to change (and it would, given 45lbs muscle gain), I would certainly say at least 55-60% of your mass has been a combination of glycogen, water and fat - and this is particularly true when one considers your use of AAS.

    I am nobody's babysitter, nor do I intend to be, but you could have easily gained 40lbs of relatively lean mass by extending your period by six months, using a proper diet, and if you so chose, an appropriate selection of AAS. As it stands now, your overall phase will have extended past that period, put more tax on your body than one ever should, and you will most likely end up with less lean mass.

    In all honesty, however, good luck. I am being entirely serious.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    If I was being entirely forthcoming, and basing this only off the pictures you have posted, I would say you have done this in the most difficult and physiologically taxing way possible. You estimate only 35lbs of that is fat, but I find that difficult to believe: even on a so-called "lean-bulk," one can fairly estimate fat gain to be about 10-15% of total body mass increase (this is assuming lack of DNP/T3/Clen, etc.,). Given the increase in gross-musculature over this same period, the gains in body fat can seem relatively negligible to the eye. Given the extremely visible nature of your fat mass, in conjunction with the fact the general composition and structure of the underlying muscle has not seemed to change (and it would, given 45lbs muscle gain), I would certainly say at least 55-60% of your mass has been a combination of glycogen, water and fat - and this is particularly true when one considers your use of AAS.

    I am nobody's babysitter, nor do I intend to be, but you could have easily gained 40lbs of relatively lean mass by extending your period by six months, using a proper diet, and if you so chose, an appropriate selection of AAS. As it stands now, your overall phase will have extended past that period, put more tax on your body than one ever should, and you will most likely end up with less lean mass.

    In all honesty, however, good luck. I am being entirely serious.
    Gonna have to disagree on a couple of levels, firstly whilst i certainly put on plenty of fat the last picture was @ the end of my last cycle and a considerable amount of that was water bloat. Im not that unahappy about the fat gained either as i took a powerlifting approach and in that respect i was entirely happy with a 375lb bench (would never have got there without the extra weight), i did take precautions in that regard had 5 blood tests in that period and monitored my blood pressure. Im currently down 21 lbs from the last pic and estimate another 12 - 15lb will put me in the 12% bf range right about where i started but with added 45lb muscle in 14 months thats 3.24lb per month and at the same got to set some big personal bests along the way. Not quite sure i understand this ref however "this is assuming lack of DNP/T3/Clen, etc.,)" is that a question? anyway cycling Clen/ECA every 2 weeks.

    The photos wont lie just give me another 32 days
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    If I was being entirely forthcoming, and basing this only off the pictures you have posted, I would say you have done this in the most difficult and physiologically taxing way possible. You estimate only 35lbs of that is fat, but I find that difficult to believe: even on a so-called "lean-bulk," one can fairly estimate fat gain to be about 10-15% of total body mass increase (this is assuming lack of DNP/T3/Clen, etc.,). Given the increase in gross-musculature over this same period, the gains in body fat can seem relatively negligible to the eye. Given the extremely visible nature of your fat mass, in conjunction with the fact the general composition and structure of the underlying muscle has not seemed to change (and it would, given 45lbs muscle gain), I would certainly say at least 55-60% of your mass has been a combination of glycogen, water and fat - and this is particularly true when one considers your use of AAS.

    I am nobody's babysitter, nor do I intend to be, but you could have easily gained 40lbs of relatively lean mass by extending your period by six months, using a proper diet, and if you so chose, an appropriate selection of AAS. As it stands now, your overall phase will have extended past that period, put more tax on your body than one ever should, and you will most likely end up with less lean mass.

    In all honesty, however, good luck. I am being entirely serious.
    Also at that time i wanted to stick an Oral PH so that kind of ruled out a 6 month cycle but yes you are right in that regard and that is the route i will go going fwd. It was a fun journey to be honest but not one i would do again, def lean bulk going fwd and have been planning and researching exactly that,
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by edwitt View Post
    Gonna have to disagree on a couple of levels, firstly whilst i certainly put on plenty of fat the last picture was @ the end of my last cycle and a considerable amount of that was water bloat. Im not that unahappy about the fat gained either as i took a powerlifting approach and in that respect i was entirely happy with a 375lb bench (would never have got there without the extra weight), i did take precautions in that regard had 5 blood tests in that period and monitored my blood pressure. Im currently down 21 lbs from the last pic and estimate another 12 - 15lb will put me in the 12% bf range right about where i started but with added 45lb muscle in 14 months thats 3.24lb per month and at the same got to set some big personal bests along the way. Not quite sure i understand this ref however "this is assuming lack of DNP/T3/Clen, etc.,)" is that a question? anyway cycling Clen/ECA every 2 weeks.

    The photos wont lie just give me another 32 days
    No disrespect intended, here, but a 375lb bench at 255lbs, while respectful, is certainly no justification for anywhere from 35-45lbs of fat, water and glycogen gain - and in reality, that is only a coefficient of 1.47, which is by no means proficient by power lifting standards. And yes, that type of increase would have most certainly been possible in the same time frame without such a precipitous increase in fat mass (using the term to blanket water, glycogen, fat).

    Unfortunately, you are overestimating the amount of LBM you obtained during this period, and grossly underestimating the amount of LBM you will atrophy during your next cutting phase: my estimates include a very high rate of Aldosterone production which most likely resulted from the compounds you used, in addition to the diet you employed, as well as gross glycogen synthesis, which will recede, again due to the compounds you used and the diet you employed. The rate at which you chose to gain mass, and the manner in which you gained it, simply lend themselves to metabolic (and possibly morphological) changes that do not speak to your point. And as harsh as that sounds, it is simply true.

    In an ideal situation, with the choice of appropriate compounds which do not come associated with a high rate of glycogen and/or aldosterone synthesis (Anavar, for example) one could be happy with .8 - 1lb of lean tissue synthesis per week. And again, this is assuming ideal diet, ideal rest, proper choice of compounds. As it stands, given your choice of compounds and diet, I would estimate approximately .4 - .5lb per week, or two pounds per month; leading to a total gain of, at most, around 20lbs. Now, another 10-15lbs of this is a combination of water and glycogen, which I am not counting as fat mass at this time, with the difference obviously being adipose mass. While I am sure these are disappointing figures to hear, they are not up for contention: these are rates of hypertrophy based on ideal rates of protein synthesis and protein turnover in skeletal muscle. If you surpassed these levels, I would suggest you donate your body to science, as your muscle biopsy would surely be of great help in pathologies that contain chronic atrophy.

    This is going to be my last post on the manner, as I am not your moral guide nor your babysitter: it is not my place to judge you, and I certainly do not want to come across as condescending, but rather, I am simply choosing to be real with you.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    No disrespect intended, here, but a 375lb bench at 255lbs, while respectful, is certainly no justification for anywhere from 35-45lbs of fat, water and glycogen gain - and in reality, that is only a coefficient of 1.47, which is by no means proficient by power lifting standards. And yes, that type of increase would have most certainly been possible in the same time frame without such a precipitous increase in fat mass (using the term to blanket water, glycogen, fat).

    Unfortunately, you are overestimating the amount of LBM you obtained during this period, and grossly underestimating the amount of LBM you will atrophy during your next cutting phase: my estimates include a very high rate of Aldosterone production which most likely resulted from the compounds you used, in addition to the diet you employed, as well as gross glycogen synthesis, which will recede, again due to the compounds you used and the diet you employed. The rate at which you chose to gain mass, and the manner in which you gained it, simply lend themselves to metabolic (and possibly morphological) changes that do not speak to your point. And as harsh as that sounds, it is simply true.

    In an ideal situation, with the choice of appropriate compounds which do not come associated with a high rate of glycogen and/or aldosterone synthesis (Anavar, for example) one could be happy with .8 - 1lb of lean tissue synthesis per week. And again, this is assuming ideal diet, ideal rest, proper choice of compounds. As it stands, given your choice of compounds and diet, I would estimate approximately .4 - .5lb per week, or two pounds per month; leading to a total gain of, at most, around 20lbs. Now, another 10-15lbs of this is a combination of water and glycogen, which I am not counting as fat mass at this time, with the difference obviously being adipose mass. While I am sure these are disappointing figures to hear, they are not up for contention: these are rates of hypertrophy based on ideal rates of protein synthesis and protein turnover in skeletal muscle. If you surpassed these levels, I would suggest you donate your body to science, as your muscle biopsy would surely be of great help in pathologies that contain chronic atrophy.

    This is going to be my last post on the manner, as I am not your moral guide nor your babysitter: it is not my place to judge you, and I certainly do not want to come across as condescending, but rather, I am simply choosing to be real with you.


    I didnt deem it necessary to divulge, so i say this with due respect as i see you are not new to this rodeo but your passive aggressive stance is somewhat bewildering.

    375 bench @ 255 no miracle for sure BUT given the fact that in April of 08 i was in a car accident that resulted in my being hospitalized in traction for 3 months along with numerous other injuries. I walked in or rather limped in the gym Jan 09 for the 1st time in almost 2 years, i think my bench was 25lb's on each side maybe 35 max lets say 105 total.

    Given your in depth analysis based on 3 pictures i would have thought you would have noticed the scars on my legs. I can repost close ups for your further inspection.

    Maybe you one of those new mind reading doctors that ive being hearing so musch about. You have no idea what my strength or conditioning were before nor did i at any time post my diet supplements or training so your basing your entire prognosis/evaluation or whatever it is based on 3 pictures. I dont really want to get into a fight here but you just dont have the facts and are making lots of assumptions.

    Fact, as of this morning i currently weigh 231lbs @ about 15% bf had buddy at the gym use calipers and strength remains close to highs.

    As i said to the doctor who said ill never walk properly ever again "just wait and see"

    I have to ask to what do you base this comment of "most physiologically taxing way possible" your a psychiatrist too? For your information the whole process was very thereputical to me, i was focused and determied throughout and the setting and schieving of goals helped what was at times a painful process of rehabilitation.

    Not to be condescending or patronizing but my grandma once said "False facts are highly injurious to the progress of science, for they often endure long; but false views, if supported by some evidence, do little harm, for every one takes a salutary pleasure in proving their falseness." Something to do with get your facts straight, clever old granny
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  19. Quick updated picture just show that im not sitting on the sofa eating pizza all day... Still 30 days to go on the cut

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    crap workout today no energy lifting or cardio, sucked, upside is that im 2/3 of the way there and the planning of my next bulk cycle is well underway. Unfortunately due to injury my shoulders have fallen behind, healthy now and its time to put some size on em
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  20. good job man.this ppl who say you put on to much fat are the same ppl who cry about being hard gainers they do not get it.there is a reason y most your big bb were once power lifters.i lifted from the time i was 15 untill 30 i was a hard gainer i could not get my arms over 17 in. at 30 i was married with kids put on some fat and keeped lifting more power lifting i would say.arms went to 19 in. ppl would say ya but thats fat and some was.now im in my late 30 and cut back down.arms are at 18.5. your on the right track keep going the hard gainers will still be here whinning

  21. Quote Originally Posted by wedlund6 View Post
    good job man.this ppl who say you put on to much fat are the same ppl who cry about being hard gainers they do not get it.there is a reason y most your big bb were once power lifters.i lifted from the time i was 15 untill 30 i was a hard gainer i could not get my arms over 17 in. at 30 i was married with kids put on some fat and keeped lifting more power lifting i would say.arms went to 19 in. ppl would say ya but thats fat and some was.now im in my late 30 and cut back down.arms are at 18.5. your on the right track keep going the hard gainers will still be here whinning
    thx may not be evrybody but it worked for me and im very pleased with the results so far. I am a hard gainer myself and it is for this reason that i adopted this approach, each to their own i say
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  22. ok lets see if we can kick it up a gear, real lack of energy and focus yesterday. Clen should be arriving tomorrow myabe that and or my upcoming cycle can put a fire in my belly.
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  23. Nice results keep up the hard work man.

  24. Good show man. Your cut is coming along very nicely. You should snap a shot of your back though. Your traps look wide from the front even. I gotta say, your determination gives me motivation bro. Keep rippin' it up. You're doing an amazing job so far imo.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by meathed View Post
    Good show man. Your cut is coming along very nicely. You should snap a shot of your back though. Your traps look wide from the front even. I gotta say, your determination gives me motivation bro. Keep rippin' it up. You're doing an amazing job so far imo.
    thanks man... reading up on Clen as i wait for for it to arrive any pointers appreciated
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