PES Shift?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    No, this is just the T2 constituent in aT2. We chose to release it for those who are sensitive to any stims whatsoever. People were asking for the ability for real prebed dosing.

    Sounds perfect for me!. Thanks so much. Any sides to look out for?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Sounds perfect for me!. Thanks so much. Any sides to look out for?
    Sweat!

    The only thing I get from the 3,3 is sweat and the very seldom bout of lethargy, but so far for myself that has been few and far between.
    The Historic PES Legend

  3. Cool I'm picking up 2 bottles than.
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  4. Could I run shift along with my furuza-a/11 oxo stack since it is stim free or should I save it for PCT? Thanks

  5. Quote Originally Posted by 350zTT View Post
    Could I run shift along with my furuza-a/11 oxo stack since it is stim free or should I save it for PCT? Thanks
    You can run it along side. No negative interactions.
    The Historic PES Legend

  6. So Shift is AT2 without the stim effects? any other differences?

    I don't really use stims because Im a high energy person, but AT2 has had so many great reviews i wanted to try it.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Legacykid View Post
    So Shift is AT2 without the stim effects? any other differences?

    I don't really use stims because Im a high energy person, but AT2 has had so many great reviews i wanted to try it.
    Yes, SHIFT is JUST the active in Alpha-T2.

    ~Rosie~
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  8. what about the lack of Rauwolscine HCl, will it work the same without it?

    to my understanding Methyl-Synephrine is the Stim.

    Thanks

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Legacykid View Post
    what about the lack of Rauwolscine HCl, will it work the same without it?

    to my understanding Methyl-Synephrine is the Stim.

    Thanks
    Shift is just the thyrogenic in aT2. The other ingredients are effective as well, but some do not like the stimulation that Methyl-Syn brings, and the rauwolscine can have different effects in different people, so expierience a stim from it.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Legacykid View Post
    what about the lack of Rauwolscine HCl, will it work the same without it?

    to my understanding Methyl-Synephrine is the Stim.

    Thanks
    Yes, Shift will work - it's not necessarily the stims in Alpha-T2 that make it effective. Basically, Shift is a non-stim version of Alpha-T2.

    ~Rosie~
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  11. Can't wait to try it out. Hope it doesn't make me as lethargic as Trimax did back in '03.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Can't wait to try it out. Hope it doesn't make me as lethargic as Trimax did back in '03.
    You could always dose 1 capsule every 5-6 hours during the day, and then 2 capsules before bed
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  13. I don't think I will be going over the recommended 3 caps per day on the bottle.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Can't wait to try it out. Hope it doesn't make me as lethargic as Trimax did back in '03.
    I think you'll be ok - every other thyroid booster I have tried left me as lethargic as hell (and I stopped using them because of that effect), but not Alpha-T2 (and Shift won't either).

    ~Rosie~
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  15. Thanks Rosie. You're always there to help out. I like that.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Thanks Rosie. You're always there to help out. I like that.
    No worries, bud - that's what I'm here for
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  17. Why is it that every time I see "The Female Terminator" I think of Linda Hamilton?


  18. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Why is it that every time I see "The Female Terminator" I think of Linda Hamilton?

    Hmmm, because she was like a terminator in the Terminator?
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  19. SHIFT PCT?? SIDES??


    After taking shift how long does it take for your thyroid levels to return to normal? Is there anything one should have on hand before taking shift, and can shift cause any short or long term side affects?

  20. I actually have a few caps of Trimax left. I have rationed due to it being out of production.

    Unfortunately, I missed the killer introductory price at NP on Shift.
    I'm torqued off and won't purchase it now out of spite, but...if it works anything like the old Trimax, and if a deal comes along to bring the price back into the teens....I'll be all over it like a fly on sh!t.


  21. What effect does protien uncoupling have on existing muscle mass?

  22. I took my first dose today. I'm extremely tired. At this point I don't know whether its the shift or no though because I didn't get very good sleep last night.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I took my first dose today. I'm extremely tired. At this point I don't know whether its the shift or no though because I didn't get very good sleep last night.
    When did you dose? How many caps? How were you compared to a normal day after not sleeping well the night before?
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  24. It subsided Rosie. I just took my last dose and I feel fine. It was just the normal groggy felling I have after a poor nights sleep. Hopefully this product works well. Tomorrow I take it before I work out. I'll see how my workout feels. Not sure how long it takes to kick in or it works right away though. Hopefully it stays the same because I don't need to "feel" anything for it to work. In fact I would rather feel nothing at all. Thats what I'm after in a fat loss supplement and thats why I didn't choose a product with stimulants. Oh as far as your questions, I only took the recommended 2 in the morning and 1 6-8 hours later. For the second question yes I probably felt about the same as on a day I normally don't get good sleep. So far so good.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    It subsided Rosie. I just took my last dose and I feel fine. It was just the normal groggy felling I have after a poor nights sleep. Hopefully this product works well. Tomorrow I take it before I work out. I'll see how my workout feels. Not sure how long it takes to kick in or it works right away though. Hopefully it stays the same because I don't need to "feel" anything for it to work. In fact I would rather feel nothing at all. Thats what I'm after in a fat loss supplement and thats why I didn't choose a product with stimulants. Oh as far as your questions, I only took the recommended 2 in the morning and 1 6-8 hours later. For the second question yes I probably felt about the same as on a day I normally don't get good sleep. So far so good.
    Ok. Cool. Thanks

    ~Rosie~
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  26. Rosie, I took 2 pre-workout today. Didn't have such a great workout today and I sweat a lot more than normal. Strength loss on some exercises but stayed the same on others. Still I'll take the hit on strength if its in exchange for some much needed fat loss. Plus my legs are killing me and I usually don't get any muscle soreness.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Rosie, I took 2 pre-workout today. Didn't have such a great workout today and I sweat a lot more than normal. Strength loss on some exercises but stayed the same on others. Still I'll take the hit on strength if its in exchange for some much needed fat loss. Plus my legs are killing me and I usually don't get any muscle soreness.
    Why would you use SHIFT pre-training? It's not one of the ideal times to use it.

    Strength loss does NOT have to happen when you get fat loss - it might if you're being ridiculous with either your calorie or carbohydrate intake, or have not recovered from a previous training session.

    ~Rosie~
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  28. I just took it when I awoke and I train within 45 minutes after I wake up. I guess I could wait and take it later but its just more convenient for me that way.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I just took it when I awoke and I train within 45 minutes after I wake up. I guess I could wait and take it later but its just more convenient for me that way.
    I see. You could do that, but just use one cap . . . Or you could have your first dose (1 cap) with your first meal and another dose (1-2 caps) pre-bed. Just a thought . . .

    ~Rosie~
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  30. I would think taking it post training would be a better option since your metabolism is already heightened from the workout.
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  31. Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    What effect does protien uncoupling have on existing muscle mass?
    Anyone have any insight into this?

    Does Shift effect the body's ability to utilize protein in the body, slightly hindering recovery?

  32. I have read where it does but no one from the company has commented.

  33. Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    I have read where it does but no one from the company has commented.
    Actually i believe Natty has already answered you in another thread, since you asked the same thing in quite a few threads.

    How to use SHIFT by PES
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  34. Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    I have read where it does but no one from the company has commented.
    Natty did comment on your question.

    I provided for you his comment in case you did not wish to click on the given link above.
    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Here is a good read on protein uncoupling. The focus of protein uncoupling is fat loss.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermogenin

    Protein uncouplers sold OTC undergo the same or similar mechanisms

    It doesnt really have any effects on muscle. The term "protein" it is referring to isnt the protein you think of like dietary protein.

  35. I am so curious to try shift since I have a nonworking/poorly working thyroid. I'm curious if it would even do anything.

    Natty, weren't the original studies on 3,3 done on hypothyroid rats? or is my brain making stuff up.

    I wish I was a rat sometimes.

  36. Quote Originally Posted by StupidThyroid View Post
    I am so curious to try shift since I have a nonworking/poorly working thyroid. I'm curious if it would even do anything.

    Natty, weren't the original studies on 3,3 done on hypothyroid rats? or is my brain making stuff up.

    I wish I was a rat sometimes.
    I think youre the only person who wishes they were a rat lol

    One study was done on hypothyroid rats, one was not

    Have you considered seeking a physician for your thyroid issue? Most thyroid problems are covered by insurance, and the medications doctors provide change peoples lives around
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  37. Oh dude, I've been on meds for 10yrs and see my doc every 6 months, I am well versed with my thyroid problem, and my numbers are stable. I am just a natural endomorph and hold onto fat like a bitch.

    I am losing slowly doing a tried and true clean diet + cardio, just looking at shift makes me so curious what effects it would have to a hypothyroid already on meds. Would it bump my half-dead thyroid a bit? Would it do nothing at all?

    This is more like inner-thoughts just being brought out for discussion.

    Before being treated, my hypo symptoms were so terrible, the meds def fixed my life, but doesn't change the fact my body loves to hold onto fat. Low carbing + working out is slowly getting my athlete body back.

    You know you're really hypo when your memory gets so bad you forget the name of a roomate you've had for 2yrs. That's when I knew something was REALLY wrong.

    Anyhow offtopic.

  38. Quote Originally Posted by StupidThyroid View Post
    Oh dude, I've been on meds for 10yrs and see my doc every 6 months, I am well versed with my thyroid problem, and my numbers are stable. I am just a natural endomorph and hold onto fat like a bitch.

    I am losing slowly doing a tried and true clean diet + cardio, just looking at shift makes me so curious what effects it would have to a hypothyroid already on meds. Would it bump my half-dead thyroid a bit? Would it do nothing at all?

    This is more like inner-thoughts just being brought out for discussion.

    Before being treated, my hypo symptoms were so terrible, the meds def fixed my life, but doesn't change the fact my body loves to hold onto fat. Low carbing + working out is slowly getting my athlete body back.

    You know you're really hypo when your memory gets so bad you forget the name of a roomate you've had for 2yrs. That's when I knew something was REALLY wrong.

    Anyhow offtopic.
    Damn man, that is some bad hypo.

    I wouldnt add shift the meds. Meds are in a whole different category. Thryroid supplements are made to make your thyroid produce more of the thyroid hormones. You are already taking them
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  39. I know, I understand how my meds work, and I understand how Shift works.

    That known, it makes me very curious to see what would happen.

    I'm not going to, but the curious in me makes me wonder of the small ammt of hormone my near dead thyroid is making, if I could stimulate it to pump a lil more.

    Probably not. Haha

    Wish I could clone me and use it as a guinea pig.
  

  
 

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