ECA stack question

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by flobot View Post
    It's still one of the best things out there. If you're crazy, stack with salbutamol (asthma pill/ inhaler.) You'll literally melt while you walk around the gym after even a brief warmup.

    I wouldn't advise stacking ECA w/ salbutamol though as it might be too much for some people, basically a poor man's clenbuterol. Remember to lug around a water jug...you're gonna need it.
    I'm sorry I have to reply here. salbutamol in the US is just albuterol, used as an asthma medication (usually ~100mcg metered inhaled dosages), but some people get albuterol sulfate and dose it orally ranging from 12-36mg /day (24 is about average for a 200+lb person).

    It is NOT a poor mans clenbuterol, because it is more expensive from what i've seen! It also has a shorter half life (5-6hrs for albuterol vs. 36 hours for clenbuterol), so you don't experience all the negative side effects of clenbuterol as LONG with albuterol. Some people enjoy sleeping ya know


  2. At least it's not illegal
    Quote Originally Posted by ecu19 View Post
    I'm sorry I have to reply here. salbutamol in the US is just albuterol, used as an asthma medication (usually ~100mcg metered inhaled dosages), but some people get albuterol sulfate and dose it orally ranging from 12-36mg /day (24 is about average for a 200+lb person).

    It is NOT a poor mans clenbuterol, because it is more expensive from what i've seen! It also has a shorter half life (5-6hrs for albuterol vs. 36 hours for clenbuterol), so you don't experience all the negative side effects of clenbuterol as LONG with albuterol. Some people enjoy sleeping ya know
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  3. Hey bro I have 2 inhalers full of albuterol, and I can actually use them to lose weight?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by pdx89 View Post
    Hey bro I have 2 inhalers full of albuterol, and I can actually use them to lose weight?
    No. It's too little an amount, and it's absorbed/metabolized differently than when orally dosing larger amounts.

    ~100mcg for 1 inhalation (.1g)
    ~4000mcg for 1mL oral dosing typically (4g)

    Most people typically dose 24g/day spaced out, which turns into 24,000mcg, or 240 metered inhalation dosages. But the dosing/pathways the drug works are different from inhaled vs. an orally ingested liquid.

    Albuterol does help open up your lungs. Do 3-5 puffs (at ~100mcg each dose) from your inhaler about 20 minutes before you work out, you'll notice a difference.

  5. alright thanks bro
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  6. you can buy lab albuterol , its a liquid form and it will help decrease body fat but usually only when ur bodyfat is already low. it will also help with endurance and lipid profile. usually i like to keep it around 12mgs daily, more give muscle cramps

  7. Synephrine (from bitter orange) can be used as a milder substitute for ephedrine, although it is definitely not as stimulating or effective for fat loss.

  8. Could someone kindly explain why aspirin is included in the ECA stack?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Could someone kindly explain why aspirin is included in the ECA stack?
    Prolongs the effects. The dose is much lower than a pain relief application (82mgs)...

  10. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Could someone kindly explain why aspirin is included in the ECA stack?
    Celc, good to see you again. Haven't crossed threads with you in a while. White willow bark is a good sub for aspirin. Same type of effects and synergy.
    Freedom means nothing here.

  11. Also think about adding a GLA source to your stack (evening primrose or borage oil) it prolongs the thermogenic and energetic effects of the ECA so there are not such sharp dropoffs in energy.
    as for the aspirin... i have heard it serves as a moderate uncoupler. It robs energy form the body in the form of heat so yes it also increases and prolongs the thermogenic effect.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by SoonersSB View Post
    Also think about adding a GLA source to your stack (evening primrose or borage oil) it prolongs the thermogenic and energetic effects of the ECA so there are not such sharp dropoffs in energy.
    as for the aspirin... i have heard it serves as a moderate uncoupler. It robs energy form the body in the form of heat so yes it also increases and prolongs the thermogenic effect.
    You serious?
    Freedom means nothing here.

  13. yea man. the GLA fact is from ANABOLICS
    the aspirin is a super mild uncoupler but an uncoupler none the less

  14. I had a hunch about prolonging the effect. But seriously fellas, 25 or 50mg has me wired for a good 8-12 hours. I'd never sleep if I tried to prolong the effect. I'm an admittedly very stim sensitive but absolutely love my ephedrine.

    IMO there is NOTHING that I've tried on the market that comes close to the energy intensity, clean mental acuity, and thermogenic effect as good ol ephedrine.

    FOG, I haven't been posting much. I read here frequently but tend to keep my opinions to myself lately.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    I had a hunch about prolonging the effect. But seriously fellas, 25 or 50mg has me wired for a good 8-12 hours. I'd never sleep if I tried to prolong the effect. I'm an admittedly very stim sensitive but absolutely love my ephedrine.

    IMO there is NOTHING that I've tried on the market that comes close to the energy intensity, clean mental acuity, and thermogenic effect as good ol ephedrine.

    FOG, I haven't been posting much. I read here frequently but tend to keep my opinions to myself lately.
    Maybe I should try that
    Freedom means nothing here.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    Maybe I should try that
    I agree. You big f*cking bully.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    I agree. You big f*cking bully.
    Never
    Freedom means nothing here.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by RobMusta View Post
    you can buy lab albuterol , its a liquid form and it will help decrease body fat but usually only when ur bodyfat is already low. it will also help with endurance and lipid profile. usually i like to keep it around 12mgs daily, more give muscle cramps
    Yeah no sh*t!

    I was over 10% and I tried Albuterol.....1st week there was some loss, after that nothing out the ordinary.

    Btw, EC can be run for 16 weeks if not longer, tolerance to the effective is built but the thermogenic effects DO NOT go away.

    I'm doing an intense cutting cycle for 16 weeks/112days, on day 5 right now, I took one 25mg Ephedrine and one 200mg caffeine.

    25/200 for the the whole 16 weeks, no aspirin this time.

    I got 7X24 tabs of DMD pharm Ephedrine and getting 6 X24 from Mega-pro.

    Surprisingly, here's a good thread at bodybuilding.com!

    Also, I remember reading somewhere from a legit medical (non-bodybuilding) that tea/tannins interfere with Ephedrine, I don't know if this is in regards to their asthma relief or fat burning effects, so avoid them while on the EC stack, I am.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Omen View Post
    Yeah no sh*t!

    I was over 10% and I tried Albuterol.....1st week there was some loss, after that nothing out the ordinary.

    Btw, EC can be run for 16 weeks if not longer, tolerance to the effective is built but the thermogenic effects DO NOT go away.

    I'm doing an intense cutting cycle for 16 weeks/112days, on day 5 right now, I took one 25mg Ephedrine and one 200mg caffeine.

    25/200 for the the whole 16 weeks, no aspirin this time.

    I got 7X24 tabs of DMD pharm Ephedrine and getting 6 X24 from Mega-pro.

    Surprisingly, here's a good thread at bodybuilding.com!

    Also, I remember reading somewhere from a legit medical (non-bodybuilding) that tea/tannins interfere with Ephedrine, I don't know if this is in regards to their asthma relief or fat burning effects, so avoid them while on the EC stack, I am.
    That's what I read too... the cAMP stimulate fatloss gets better with continued use even though the psychological effects subside. It is cAMP indirectly stimulated fatloss via norepinephrine, so I would be concerned with the NE levels being diminished. I'd reccommend tyrosine with the E/C stack for prolonged periods.
    Freedom means nothing here.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    That's what I read too... the cAMP stimulate fatloss gets better with continued use even though the psychological effects subside. It is cAMP indirectly stimulated fatloss via norepinephrine, so I would be concerned with the NE levels being diminished. I'd reccommend tyrosine with the E/C stack for prolonged periods.
    Actually, that makes a lot of sense, especially with a calorie deficit which is almost always the case when someone runs EC, since Tyrosine is involved in production of relevant hormones and is exhausted faster in chronic stressful conditions.


  21. the problem with prolonged use of ephedrine is that it is so effective in stimulating the production of neurotransmitters (norepi) that the adrenal glands get burned out quite quickly (before 4-6 weeks at most). You end up with a neurotransmitter deficiency and profound lethatgy which from personal experience is very unpleasant!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by SoonersSB View Post
    the problem with prolonged use of ephedrine is that it is so effective in stimulating the production of neurotransmitters (norepi) that the adrenal glands get burned out quite quickly (before 4-6 weeks at most). You end up with a neurotransmitter deficiency and profound lethatgy which from personal experience is very unpleasant!
    This I can agree on. I no longer have receptors! They burned out a long time ago. Anyway, doesn't the aspirin thinning the blood have a lot to do with the "synergistic effects"? I know that if I even got a small knick it bled like hell. Great combo though, as far a fat loss/energy goes.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by BabyHulk View Post
    This I can agree on. I no longer have receptors! They burned out a long time ago. Anyway, doesn't the aspirin thinning the blood have a lot to do with the "synergistic effects"? I know that if I even got a small knick it bled like hell. Great combo though, as far a fat loss/energy goes.
    Tolerance to the side effects is built but the thermogenic effects DO NOT go away.

  24. Bronkaid is really and I mean really really good stuff no doubt. I tried it and love it.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by BabyHulk View Post
    This I can agree on. I no longer have receptors! They burned out a long time ago. Anyway, doesn't the aspirin thinning the blood have a lot to do with the "synergistic effects"? I know that if I even got a small knick it bled like hell. Great combo though, as far a fat loss/energy goes.

    Aspirin doesn't thin the blood. It deactivates platelets.
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