What oral can i throw into my tren and test run?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by AlexPowell View Post
    Yeah I don't think you should second guess this at all man.
    Maybe take the prami out completely and lower the testosterone. This is a hell of a first cycle for sure, stick to one compound. High testosterone and high tren will really cause a lot of sides in a lot of people. You have the androgens from tren and the progestin sides, then from the test you have those androgens, the androgens from the DHT it converts to and then estrogen thrown into the mix as well lol. That's a lot going on. High test or high tren will keep things cool. By all means throw an oral into this
    Right well I'll keep using the prami at low dose just to be safe since I don't think its giving me problems anymore. I think I'm going to run 2 weeks of 12.5mg m1t in a couple weeks or so. My source has a minimum order of 200 dollars and they're out of stock on everything else I want lol. Also maybe I'll get bloods done before I start the m1t. I'm good on reading the results I get blood work done a lot just for my own price of mind. But I'll post the results up here too.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by MuscleBound1337 View Post
    Right well I'll keep using the prami at low dose just to be safe since I don't think its giving me problems anymore. I think I'm going to run 2 weeks of 12.5mg m1t in a couple weeks or so. My source has a minimum order of 200 dollars and they're out of stock on everything else I want lol. Also maybe I'll get bloods done before I start the m1t. I'm good on reading the results I get blood work done a lot just for my own price of mind. But I'll post the results up here too.
    You're best off running **** that doesn't make you need to run other drugs
    If you get sides from deca, don't take more drugs... just don't take deca. Or whatever drug is giving you the sides. If taking testosterone at a dose more than 500mg only increases bloat and acne then don't take testosterone over 500 instead of adding in accutane and aldactone

    You'll find there is 1 or 2 drugs you can push high with no sides. Just stick to them. Boldenone is a good bet but you need to run a high dose of it for a long time and it takes a while. But if you're OK with that then it's a good choice. You might find that other 19-nors give you great resutls and it's just tren you have problems with. That's OK, you will get a very similar look running a high dose of testosterone with some arimidex and masteron. Trenbolone isn't some magical steroid that's for sure

    Plenty of options here. I think an AI is the only "accessory" that I'd ever use. I don't really consider it an accessory for that reason, it's a legitimate product in it's own right lol.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by MuscleBound1337 View Post
    I'll probably get a hormone, lipid, hepatic and blood cell count blood work in a week or 2. Maybe I'll do that and then decide if I'll use an oral.
    Good call. Ride this one out and ramp up for a spring cycle?

  4. i vote wait till next but if ya come back g2g then i think it should be dbol>>>anadrol>>>then super. m1t is gross in my book youll get less sides with dbol and super but same mass.
    Future IFBB pro. Glory to God. "The worst thing I can be is the same as everybody else. I hate that." - Arnold

  5. Quote Originally Posted by TRTDetroit View Post

    Good call. Ride this one out and ramp up for a spring cycle?
    Well I'm going to be blasting and cruizing so I'm doing pretty good with my dose now. No sides at all just some night sweats and maybe a bit of insomnia but I have trouble sleeping half the time anyways. I'll probably run these doses for like 12 more weeks. Then probably cruize on some test for a while. But honestly o don't have any plans of coming off so as long as blood work is good and gains are still coming I will continue with that I'm doing.

    The only other thing I was considering is running masteron... Like maybe cut the test to 300 and use 300 mast prop a week along with keeping the tren at 600.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by AlexPowell View Post

    You're best off running **** that doesn't make you need to run other drugs
    If you get sides from deca, don't take more drugs... just don't take deca. Or whatever drug is giving you the sides. If taking testosterone at a dose more than 500mg only increases bloat and acne then don't take testosterone over 500 instead of adding in accutane and aldactone

    You'll find there is 1 or 2 drugs you can push high with no sides. Just stick to them. Boldenone is a good bet but you need to run a high dose of it for a long time and it takes a while. But if you're OK with that then it's a good choice. You might find that other 19-nors give you great resutls and it's just tren you have problems with. That's OK, you will get a very similar look running a high dose of testosterone with some arimidex and masteron. Trenbolone isn't some magical steroid that's for sure

    Plenty of options here. I think an AI is the only "accessory" that I'd ever use. I don't really consider it an accessory for that reason, it's a legitimate product in it's own right lol.
    Yeah so far I've only used sust and test e and tren e. I'm interested in using DECA but boldenone kind if scares me with the anxiety it supposedly gives people.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by MuscleBound1337 View Post
    Yeah so far I've only used sust and test e and tren e. I'm interested in using DECA but boldenone kind if scares me with the anxiety it supposedly gives people.
    Well deca is nandrolone, not boldenone. Boldenone is equipoise. It gives some people anxiety but I think a lot of people are just expecting it and set themselves up. It's very popular in strongman and PL and I've never really heard any of my friends talking about it. Bang for buck, if you want growth then just ramp the testosterone and dianabol up as high as possible. When you start needing to take a lot of arimidex, lower the test to a managable level and introduce nandrolone into the mix. By the time you're approaching a gram total on your blasts, you're going to be pretty ****ing huge. This will last you so long and get youvery far.

    If you want to get into "shape", not big or overly lean, just want to annihilate vagina, when you have the size you want harden up with test + winstrol + arimidex

  8. Quote Originally Posted by MuscleBound1337 View Post
    Yeah so far I've only used sust and test e and tren e. I'm interested in using DECA but boldenone kind if scares me with the anxiety it supposedly gives people.
    dont listen to alex lol hes talking about BLASTING youre not pro bro im not even pro dont listen to him if he recommends blasting and cruising then tell him to F off lol
    Future IFBB pro. Glory to God. "The worst thing I can be is the same as everybody else. I hate that." - Arnold

  9. You don't have to be pro to blast and cruise...
    Psalms 62:1-62:2

  10. Quote Originally Posted by tyga tyga View Post
    You don't have to be pro to blast and cruise...
    but recommending it who isnt national level, pro, or big time anything is silly its the kids FIRST cycle.
    Future IFBB pro. Glory to God. "The worst thing I can be is the same as everybody else. I hate that." - Arnold

  11. There's regular gym rats that blast and cruise.

    National level, pro, amateur doesn't matter. It's a CHOICE. That's not even the point.

    Alex said "blasts", and I'm assuming he means the context it's in.. Which is just that, when he's "on" and taking copious amounts of aas. Blast, then pct.

    Do not think he meant traditional "blast and cruise/ never come off cycle"
    Psalms 62:1-62:2

  12. OP already said he is going to blast and cruise
    Keep your wig on

    There is nothing wrong with it anyway. Staying on year round is perfectly healthy. The only bad thing is sperm count but get your sperm frozen and it's no problem. 250mg of testosterone a week long term never hurt anyone. When you're ready for growth just add in a cc or two for a few months then go back down. If you're serious about this hobby then you need to discard the idea of 'cycling' altogether. cycling is something you do in spin class with other 40 year old housewives. If you're not serious then why are you taking hormones? Think about that for a moment and make sure your priorities are right

  13. Quote Originally Posted by AlexPowell View Post
    OP already said he is going to blast and cruise
    Keep your wig on

    There is nothing wrong with it anyway. Staying on year round is perfectly healthy. The only bad thing is sperm count but get your sperm frozen and it's no problem. 250mg of testosterone a week long term never hurt anyone. When you're ready for growth just add in a cc or two for a few months then go back down. If you're serious about this hobby then you need to discard the idea of 'cycling' altogether. cycling is something you do in spin class with other 40 year old housewives. If you're not serious then why are you taking hormones? Think about that for a moment and make sure your priorities are right
    tyga even knows i thought about blasting and cruising just not now. you think im doing this for a hobby? ok.. lol im done
    Future IFBB pro. Glory to God. "The worst thing I can be is the same as everybody else. I hate that." - Arnold

  14. If it's not a hobby then what is it?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by AlexPowell View Post
    If it's not a hobby then what is it?
    my future, and my lifestyle. now that i bodybuild i cant see myself living any other way
    Future IFBB pro. Glory to God. "The worst thing I can be is the same as everybody else. I hate that." - Arnold

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Mperkins View Post
    my future, and my lifestyle. now that i bodybuild i cant see myself living any other way
    Right, then you're serious about it and need to give up on the idea of coming off for extended periods of time. I'm sure you know this
    I don't see the point in someone that isn't serious taking exogenous hormones. It's a colossal event in the body and you'll never be the same again when you come off. And if you can keep it naturally then why couldn't you gain it naturally? Two years of consistent use will have most people bigger than they can keep naturally

    Honestly, if you're not serious about this hobby / sport / lifestyle / whatever you want to call it then stay the **** away from hormones lol

  17. Quote Originally Posted by AlexPowell View Post

    Well deca is nandrolone, not boldenone. Boldenone is equipoise. It gives some people anxiety but I think a lot of people are just expecting it and set themselves up. It's very popular in strongman and PL and I've never really heard any of my friends talking about it. Bang for buck, if you want growth then just ramp the testosterone and dianabol up as high as possible. When you start needing to take a lot of arimidex, lower the test to a managable level and introduce nandrolone into the mix. By the time you're approaching a gram total on your blasts, you're going to be pretty ****ing huge. This will last you so long and get youvery far.

    If you want to get into "shape", not big or overly lean, just want to annihilate vagina, when you have the size you want harden up with test + winstrol + arimidex
    Right I know what DECA and eq is. I could have worded my post better I guess. I'm not just trying to get in shape for ***** I'm plenty in shape for that already. I lobe bodybuilding and I've done a bunch of pro hormone cycles already so I'm familiar with the ****ty feeling of having no test and then losing gains in pct. I'm in this for the long haul.

    Im 25 now but I've had low testosterone since I went to see an endo when I was 20. I have varicoceles on both my yesticals which has caused atrophy and I've had surgery for it already. But they came back and I don't have natty test over 350

  18. Quote Originally Posted by MuscleBound1337 View Post
    Right I know what DECA and eq is. I could have worded my post better I guess. I'm not just trying to get in shape for ***** I'm plenty in shape for that already. I lobe bodybuilding and I've done a bunch of pro hormone cycles already so I'm familiar with the ****ty feeling of having no test and then losing gains in pct. I'm in this for the long haul.

    Im 25 now but I've had low testosterone since I went to see an endo when I was 20. I have varicoceles on both my yesticals which has caused atrophy and I've had surgery for it already. But they came back and I don't have natty test over 350
    I think you should consider a permanent solution tbh. 350ng/dl isn't too good for health and puts you at a higher risk of pretty much every age related disease. I would not be surprised at all if a years worth of testosterone at 250mg a week put you in a better situation strength and physique wise than coming on and off all the time! If you need a boost, throw in a CC or 2 of something or take some orals for a few months

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Mperkins View Post

    but recommending it who isnt national level, pro, or big time anything is silly its the kids FIRST cycle.
    Hey man I've been doing research on this stuff for 10 years now. I'm not some yoler looking to gain size for the beach. Blasting and cruising is the most effective way if youre serious about bodybuilding. Seems a much better option Than playing yoyo with your endocrine system. Coming off you won't be able to maintain an unnatural amount of mass and you'll lose gains. I'm not trying to just be big I'm trying to be a monster. I would have done this earlier but now that I have a well paying job I can afford to take whatever I want.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by AlexPowell View Post

    I think you should consider a permanent solution tbh. 350ng/dl isn't too good for health and puts you at a higher risk of pretty much every age related disease. I would not be surprised at all if a years worth of testosterone at 250mg a week put you in a better situation strength and physique wise than coming on and off all the time! If you need a boost, throw in a CC or 2 of something or take some orals for a few months
    I don't know if Ive been clear in my previous posts but I have no plans to come off. I'll be running at least 250mg in my cruises.

  21. Right now my living situation is kind of iffy. I eat well but I don't get to control my diet as strickly as I would like. I have a bachelors degree in nutritional sciences so once I get into my new apt my diet will be spot on.

  22. Good lad

  23. If you are blasting and cruising then i think you should just ride this wave you're on now with out orals. Get all the gains you could possibly get from the hormones you're on now, and maybe trying a blast with an oral shortly down the road.

    If this is you life style then you are in for a glorious ride, but you should still apply some life principles, don't by a Ferrari for your first car, then you have nothing to look forward too.

    Try different things individually or in respectively and thought out blasts. You're going to have plenty of time to try almost every steroid out there.

    In doing this, you'll see exactly what everything does, so down the road when you need some serious contest prep and off season bulking you'll know exactly how to strategically put things together.
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by technique88 View Post
    If you are blasting and cruising then i think you should just ride this wave you're on now with out orals. Get all the gains you could possibly get from the hormones you're on now, and maybe trying a blast with an oral shortly down the road.

    If this is you life style then you are in for a glorious ride, but you should still apply some life principles, don't by a Ferrari for your first car, then you have nothing to look forward too.

    Try different things individually or in respectively and thought out blasts. You're going to have plenty of time to try almost every steroid out there.

    In doing this, you'll see exactly what everything does, so down the road when you need some serious contest prep and off season bulking you'll know exactly how to strategically put things together.
    Solid as always brosef.
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  25. I desperately need winstrol, I don't trust certain websites, and I have no connects on who I can get it from.. I've tired everything that GNC has to offer and told myself I have to take it to the next level.. NEED HELP ..
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