The classic cutter: Test P/tren A/Mast

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  1. The classic cutter: Test P/tren A/Mast


    This will be my first injectable cycle. I know I'll get flamed for doing tren on my first run but I have extensive experience with pro hormones and I have done all my homework with this cycle. I know all the sides of tren. I generally experience few side effects from any PH, even SD. So I think I should be able to handle it, as long as it does its job

    Stats:
    5"11
    200 lbs
    12% bf

    My diet consists of eggs, tuna, chicken, beef, and protein/weight gainer shakes.

    My goal for this cycle is to get down to single digit bf%

    I will be running 8 weeks, followed by a 200 test e cruise until my next cycle

    Tren a 300-400/wk 1-8 (start at 300, raise if sides are tolerable)
    Test prop 100 wk 1-8
    Mast p 400 wk 1-8

    Any suggestions, input are appreciated! Just don't flame me for tren on first cycle because I know what I'm doing and will drop it if I don't like it.


  2. Think about it this way, you have your whole life to run cycles..., why use the hard compounds in the beginning when you will benefit from test? Think later on what your cycles will look like.
    Either way I'm in on this.
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  3. Complicated first injectable cycle, def want to see how it goes.
    Good luck!

  4. I think the fact that he's doing tren for first cycle is stupid but cruisin on test into next cycle when this is ur first cycle is cen dumber. Don't turn ur first cycle into ur only cycle.

  5. You can study how to swim for years, sitting on a chair, practicing strokes and breathing, but if you've never been in the water, you're not ready to swim from Cuba to Florida. I don't know how you can reconcile your logic by saying you've never used AAS but read about it and you are ready for Tren. Being ready for a tren cycle has nothing to do with reading about it, you have to ease into it so you know how each drug affects you in isolation. Plus, using PH is like drinking fruit juice as you get ready for your big bottle of Jack.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by nelson44bears View Post
    This will be my first injectable cycle. I know I'll get flamed for doing tren on my first run but I have extensive experience with pro hormones and I have done all my homework with this cycle. I know all the sides of tren. I generally experience few side effects from any PH, even SD. So I think I should be able to handle it, as long as it does its job

    Stats:
    5"11
    200 lbs
    12% bf

    My diet consists of eggs, tuna, chicken, beef, and protein/weight gainer shakes.

    My goal for this cycle is to get down to single digit bf%

    I will be running 8 weeks, followed by a 200 test e cruise until my next cycle

    Tren a 300-400/wk 1-8 (start at 300, raise if sides are tolerable)
    Test prop 100 wk 1-8
    Mast p 400 wk 1-8

    Any suggestions, input are appreciated! Just don't flame me for tren on first cycle because I know what I'm doing and will drop it if I don't like it.
    That's an interesting first cycle, not the smartest as I'm sure you know already. How do you know what compound is causing you issues as you haven't run any of them before?? I take it you never plan to come off?? Ever? Ill follow along but I'm curious to your reasoning as to why such a hard cycle is a must for your first??

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    That's an interesting first cycle, not the smartest as I'm sure you know already. How do you know what compound is causing you issues as you haven't run any of them before?? I take it you never plan to come off?? Ever? Ill follow along but I'm curious to your reasoning as to why such a hard cycle is a must for your first??
    I saw all these posts coming. DH, I have massive respect for you. And I completely understand what you all are saying. But the way I am wired...if I'm going to do something, I'm going all out. Tren is the king of AAS. It is also probably the worst as far as sides go. I understand this. I can confidently say I have over 100+ hours of research into this cycle alone. I understand that researching will only give you so much, but I also understand what I must do if my body reacts badly. I'm very in-tune with my body and I always have been. I am using short esters of each compound. If I get unbearable sides, I will first lower tren. If they continue, drop tren completely.

    And yes, I plan on blasting and cruising for a while. Not forever. Maybe a year, perhaps a little longer.

    I know what tren has to offer. And I want it. I am an incredibly determined individual and I will deal with whatever I need to to reap the rewards of tren.

    In case you haven't noticed, not a soul on this planet will talk me out of this cycle. I am excited to share my experience with you all.

  8. Good luck
    Tren is my favorite as well
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    Being ready for a tren cycle has nothing to do with reading about it, you have to ease into it so you know how each drug affects you in isolation. Plus, using PH is like drinking fruit juice as you get ready for your big bottle of Jack.
    Exactly, each HORMONE effects people in various ways. Not just taking things Sold at GNC.
    But we can't change your mind if it's in your Arsenal ready to go, good luck brotherin

  10. Quote Originally Posted by DNAMP View Post

    Exactly, each HORMONE effects people in various ways. Not just taking things Sold at GNC.
    But we can't change your mind if it's in your Arsenal ready to go, good luck brotherin
    Well I've taken hormones, and potent ones. M1T, phera, SD, 1-test.

    M1T had the most sides for me, but it wasn't bad and I dealt with it fine. M1T is easily more harsh on the body than any compound in this cycle.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by nelson44bears View Post

    Well I've taken hormones, and potent ones. M1T, phera, SD, 1-test.

    M1T had the most sides for me, but it wasn't bad and I dealt with it fine. M1T is easily more harsh on the body than any compound in this cycle.
    Yeah we'll it's obvious that your 100 hours of research were wasted because M1t and SD are steroids not PH.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by BigShadow View Post

    Yeah we'll it's obvious that your 100 hours of research were wasted because M1t and SD are steroids not PH.
    Above I referred to them as hormones. Generally, people refer to these steroids as PH because that's what they were marketed as when they were legal. Their legality would have been even more short-lived if they put STEROID on the bottle. I know that they are steroids.

    +10 ******* points to you though for being a nit-picking prick about my terminology. I can assure you I have more-than-adequate knowledge about every steroid and hormone I have put/will in the future put in my body.

    Thanks for your worthless contribution to this thread.

  13. Nail on head Brutha

    Hope he listens

    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    You can study how to swim for years, sitting on a chair, practicing strokes and breathing, but if you've never been in the water, you're not ready to swim from Cuba to Florida. I don't know how you can reconcile your logic by saying you've never used AAS but read about it and you are ready for Tren. Being ready for a tren cycle has nothing to do with reading about it, you have to ease into it so you know how each drug affects you in isolation. Plus, using PH is like drinking fruit juice as you get ready for your big bottle of Jack.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by nelson44bears View Post

    Above I referred to them as hormones. Generally, people refer to these steroids as PH because that's what they were marketed as when they were legal. Their legality would have been even more short-lived if they put STEROID on the bottle. I know that they are steroids.

    +10 ******* points to you though for being a nit-picking prick about my terminology. I can assure you I have more-than-adequate knowledge about every steroid and hormone I have put/will in the future put in my body.

    Thanks for your worthless contribution to this thread.
    I assure you, you don't have adequate knowledge considering u want to throw in tren on your first inj cycle. But who knows maybe u will survive. And when u call a steroid a PH u will get flamed numb nuts. It like saying dbol and a bombs are PH. Just plain stupid!

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Nail on head Brutha

    Hope he listens
    He won't listen cause he knows all about PH's. he's an expert didnt you know?

  16. Hey op. let us know WHEN you nick a vein and think you are going to die. Maybe you could post when you are up all night in a pool of sweat. Either way good luck.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by wicked442 View Post
    Hey op. let us know WHEN you nick a vein and think you are going to die. Maybe you could post when you are up all night in a pool of sweat. Either way good luck.
    ^^^^ HaHa gotta love the old heart racing blood pumping tren cough. Lets me know my **** is g2g

  18. Quote Originally Posted by wicked442 View Post
    Hey op. let us know WHEN you nick a vein and think you are going to die. Maybe you could post when you are up all night in a pool of sweat. Either way good luck.
    ^^^^pm sent bro

  19. In for the fun, the flames, and all the test ha. Good luck bro keep the updates coming. Just a ?, what is your dosing looking like (ed/eod) and when are you starting?
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  20. Hey everyone must expect to come face to face with the evil tren cough. And I'm actually looking forward to night sweats. Lets me know my **** is good and that tren is doing its job.

    And I know that this is not a beginner cycle. I know tren should never be used on a first cycle. But I like to push myself to the limit to see what I can achieve. If I'm going to take steroids, I'm going to take the best one there is. It's how I am. You can flame me all day long but it's not going to matter once I start making tren-gains. I WILL do this cycle. And I will experience unpleasant side effects (cough, insomnia, night sweats, tren rage). I know what's coming. And I know I can deal. Like I said before, I'm an extremely motivated person and when I want something I will do anything/deal with anything I must to achieve it.

    So really guys, at this point flames aren't necessary. No one is going to talk me out of it and I am completely aware of the hell-ride I may experience on tren. And I'm aware of how stupid this is as a first cycle for an average person. But as I stated above, I'm no average person. NO PAIN, NO GAIN.

    I will be injecting EOD. Mainly for ease of measuring ccs. 14 mgs of test and 57 mgs of mast sounds like a real pain in the ass lol with eod dosing it would be as follows:

    Prop: 25mg eod
    Tren: 75-100 eod
    Mast: 100 eod

    So a total of 1.75 cc eod. (My mast prop is 200/ml)

  21. I will start as soon as I get my gear. It should be here tomorrow. If not, Monday for sure.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by nelson44bears View Post
    Hey everyone must expect to come face to face with the evil tren cough. And I'm actually looking forward to night sweats. Lets me know my **** is good and that tren is doing its job.

    And I know that this is not a beginner cycle. I know tren should never be used on a first cycle. But I like to push myself to the limit to see what I can achieve. If I'm going to take steroids, I'm going to take the best one there is. It's how I am. You can flame me all day long but it's not going to matter once I start making tren-gains. I WILL do this cycle. And I will experience unpleasant side effects (cough, insomnia, night sweats, tren rage). I know what's coming. And I know I can deal. Like I said before, I'm an extremely motivated person and when I want something I will do anything/deal with anything I must to achieve it.

    So really guys, at this point flames aren't necessary. No one is going to talk me out of it and I am completely aware of the hell-ride I may experience on tren. And I'm aware of how stupid this is as a first cycle for an average person. But as I stated above, I'm no average person. NO PAIN, NO GAIN.

    I will be injecting EOD. Mainly for ease of measuring ccs. 14 mgs of test and 57 mgs of mast sounds like a real pain in the ass lol with eod dosing it would be as follows:

    Prop: 25mg eod
    Tren: 75-100 eod
    Mast: 100 eod

    So a total of 1.75 cc eod. (My mast prop is 200/ml)
    Bro your getting flamed because your reasoning is beyond stupid. Why do you think u can't make great gains on test? Test is king bro. Being motivated and knowing a few side effects means **** without actually using first. We aren't flaming you we are trying to help you. U are using 3 compounds and if your cycle goes bad and u have serious side effects that force you to get off cycle and btw this happens all the time. You won't even know which compound is causing the issues so guess what you will be back to square one. It's just not a smart decision I don't care how motivated and ready you think you are. I will give u props for keeping your test at 25 mg eod. Smart thinking. Shows u have at least some sense . Anyway good luck bro hope u don't end up like a good friend of mine. And he has cycled 10 times what u have and used tren for 2 months and and near the end of his cycle he was pinning his quad and hit a vein. Injected a good amount because when he pulled out blood shot 3 feet into the air. He passed out and hit his head. Almost died. But u seem well seasoned and smarter then us so good luck and a little advice pull the tren first then pull the test. That way if there is any tren on the pin it gets cleaned with the prop. Cause all it takes is a drop in your blood and trust me most won't pin tren again when it happens.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by nelson44bears

    I saw all these posts coming. DH, I have massive respect for you. And I completely understand what you all are saying. But the way I am wired...if I'm going to do something, I'm going all out. Tren is the king of AAS. It is also probably the worst as far as sides go. I understand this. I can confidently say I have over 100+ hours of research into this cycle alone. I understand that researching will only give you so much, but I also understand what I must do if my body reacts badly. I'm very in-tune with my body and I always have been. I am using short esters of each compound. If I get unbearable sides, I will first lower tren. If they continue, drop tren completely.

    And yes, I plan on blasting and cruising for a while. Not forever. Maybe a year, perhaps a little longer.

    I know what tren has to offer. And I want it. I am an incredibly determined individual and I will deal with whatever I need to to reap the rewards of tren.

    In case you haven't noticed, not a soul on this planet will talk me out of this cycle. I am excited to share my experience with you all.
    As you stay in this game for a while, you'll find that you don't respond to certain AAS and doses the way you once did. As a result, you begin to add more to your stack and also up the doses. You might also add things like Tren.

    For this reason, its important to not use any more than necessary to make gains. I can handle a gram of test with 4 additional compounds, but that's foolish and leaves me little room for progression in the future.

    I first started cycling in the 90's and I still use very moderate doses, but they have had to increase as have the number of compounds used.

    For the same reason, you don't have to max out your dose the first week either. Meaning, if you were going to run an 8 week cycle of test, and you wanted to run it at 750 mg/wk, you could start at 500 mg and then at week 4 (as your body adjusts) bump it to 750. Running more than you need or can utilize also contributes to aromatizing and sides. It's not about whether or not you can handle it.

    You see, your body is always trying to find balance. It wants to reach homeostasis. Your body doesnt want to pack on slabs of extra muscle. Without going to far into this, other things happen like rising myostatin levels which halt gains, etc.

    So the moral of the story is - Leave some room for progression.

    And I wouldn't worry about the PH, DS, AAS terminology. I don't know what half of that sh1t is. Back in my day we had AAS and Andro. We didn't have wireless AT&T U-Verse and all these new fangled designer steroids. I can't keep up.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by El Hefe View Post

    As you stay in this game for a while, you'll find that you don't respond to certain AAS and doses the way you once did. As a result, you begin to add more to your stack and also up the doses. You might also add things like Tren.

    For this reason, its important to not use any more than necessary to make gains. I can handle a gram of test with 4 additional compounds, but that's foolish and leaves me little room for progression in the future.

    I first started cycling in the 90's and I still use very moderate doses, but they have had to increase as have the number of compounds used.

    For the same reason, you don't have to max out your dose the first week either. Meaning, if you were going to run an 8 week cycle of test, and you wanted to run it at 750 mg/wk, you could start at 500 mg and then at week 4 (as your body adjusts) bump it to 750. Running more than you need or can utilize also contributes to aromatizing and sides. It's not about whether or not you can handle it.

    You see, your body is always trying to find balance. It wants to reach homeostasis. Your body doesnt want to pack on slabs of extra muscle. Without going to far into this, other things happen like rising myostatin levels which halt gains, etc.

    So the moral of the story is - Leave some room for progression.

    And I wouldn't worry about the PH, DS, AAS terminology. I don't know what half of that sh1t is. Back in my day we had AAS and Andro. We didn't have wireless AT&T U-Verse and all these new fangled designer steroids. I can't keep up.
    Thank you. This is the best input anyone has posted in this thread.

    I think you are completely right. Leave room for progression. But I don't plan on doing steroids forever. Maybe a couple years. So I want to make as much progress as I can in that time. I'm sure this will involve having to use more and higher dosed anabolics in the future but as I said, I don't want to be on steroids for more than a couple years.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by nelson44bears View Post

    Thank you. This is the best input anyone has posted in this thread.

    I think you are completely right. Leave room for progression. But I don't plan on doing steroids forever. Maybe a couple years. So I want to make as much progress as I can in that time. I'm sure this will involve having to use more and higher dosed anabolics in the future but as I said, I don't want to be on steroids for more than a couple years.
    Didn't you say you were going to cruise after this cycle? To be honest man once you start you'll get addicted like the test of us, love the way it makes you feel, the pumps, the strength you won't be able to just stop after a couple years.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by BigShadow View Post

    Bro your getting flamed because your reasoning is beyond stupid. Why do you think u can't make great gains on test? Test is king bro. Being motivated and knowing a few side effects means **** without actually using first. We aren't flaming you we are trying to help you. U are using 3 compounds and if your cycle goes bad and u have serious side effects that force you to get off cycle and btw this happens all the time. You won't even know which compound is causing the issues so guess what you will be back to square one. It's just not a smart decision I don't care how motivated and ready you think you are. I will give u props for keeping your test at 25 mg eod. Smart thinking. Shows u have at least some sense . Anyway good luck bro hope u don't end up like a good friend of mine. And he has cycled 10 times what u have and used tren for 2 months and and near the end of his cycle he was pinning his quad and hit a vein. Injected a good amount because when he pulled out blood shot 3 feet into the air. He passed out and hit his head. Almost died. But u seem well seasoned and smarter then us so good luck and a little advice pull the tren first then pull the test. That way if there is any tren on the pin it gets cleaned with the prop. Cause all it takes is a drop in your blood and trust me most won't pin tren again when it happens.
    Damn you just scared me. So is it while your pinning tren caugh hits and then what lol? You just cough it out while there's still a rig in you?

  27. Quote Originally Posted by thyrod View Post

    Damn you just scared me. So is it while your pinning tren caugh hits and then what lol? You just cough it out while there's still a rig in you?
    When I had it I could hold it off for a little but, felt kinda like when you take in a big bong in college and had to start coughing, I could hold it for long enough to pin, then it was over!

  28. OMFG
    Is this thread even real?

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    When I had it I could hold it off for a little but, felt kinda like when you take in a big bong in college and had to start coughing, I could hold it for long enough to pin, then it was over!
    Hahaha, okay I believe I mastered that back wen.....

  30. In for the posts about Horrific Anxiety, mad aggression, terrible insomnia, constant sweating, and horrific heartburn......but I'm sure all the "Legal" stuff had potential sides even close to tren right?
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