The classic cutter: Test P/tren A/Mast
- 09-03-2013, 04:57 AM
The classic cutter: Test P/tren A/Mast
This will be my first injectable cycle. I know I'll get flamed for doing tren on my first run but I have extensive experience with pro hormones and I have done all my homework with this cycle. I know all the sides of tren. I generally experience few side effects from any PH, even SD. So I think I should be able to handle it, as long as it does its job
My diet consists of eggs, tuna, chicken, beef, and protein/weight gainer shakes.
My goal for this cycle is to get down to single digit bf%
I will be running 8 weeks, followed by a 200 test e cruise until my next cycle
Tren a 300-400/wk 1-8 (start at 300, raise if sides are tolerable)
Test prop 100 wk 1-8
Mast p 400 wk 1-8
Any suggestions, input are appreciated! Just don't flame me for tren on first cycle because I know what I'm doing and will drop it if I don't like it.
- 09-03-2013, 04:26 PM
Think about it this way, you have your whole life to run cycles..., why use the hard compounds in the beginning when you will benefit from test? Think later on what your cycles will look like.
Either way I'm in on this.
09-03-2013, 04:54 PM
09-03-2013, 08:47 PM
I think the fact that he's doing tren for first cycle is stupid but cruisin on test into next cycle when this is ur first cycle is cen dumber. Don't turn ur first cycle into ur only cycle.
09-03-2013, 09:44 PM
You can study how to swim for years, sitting on a chair, practicing strokes and breathing, but if you've never been in the water, you're not ready to swim from Cuba to Florida. I don't know how you can reconcile your logic by saying you've never used AAS but read about it and you are ready for Tren. Being ready for a tren cycle has nothing to do with reading about it, you have to ease into it so you know how each drug affects you in isolation. Plus, using PH is like drinking fruit juice as you get ready for your big bottle of Jack.
09-03-2013, 10:08 PM
09-04-2013, 03:24 AM
And yes, I plan on blasting and cruising for a while. Not forever. Maybe a year, perhaps a little longer.
I know what tren has to offer. And I want it. I am an incredibly determined individual and I will deal with whatever I need to to reap the rewards of tren.
In case you haven't noticed, not a soul on this planet will talk me out of this cycle. I am excited to share my experience with you all.
09-04-2013, 10:31 AM
Tren is my favorite as well
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09-04-2013, 11:26 AM
09-04-2013, 12:19 PM
09-04-2013, 03:27 PM
09-05-2013, 03:12 AM
+10 ******* points to you though for being a nit-picking prick about my terminology. I can assure you I have more-than-adequate knowledge about every steroid and hormone I have put/will in the future put in my body.
Thanks for your worthless contribution to this thread.
09-05-2013, 07:48 AM
09-05-2013, 11:28 AM
09-05-2013, 11:30 AM
09-05-2013, 12:07 PM
Hey op. let us know WHEN you nick a vein and think you are going to die. Maybe you could post when you are up all night in a pool of sweat. Either way good luck.
09-05-2013, 12:48 PM
09-05-2013, 12:58 PM
09-05-2013, 01:01 PM
In for the fun, the flames, and all the test ha. Good luck bro keep the updates coming. Just a ?, what is your dosing looking like (ed/eod) and when are you starting?
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09-05-2013, 01:56 PM
Hey everyone must expect to come face to face with the evil tren cough. And I'm actually looking forward to night sweats. Lets me know my **** is good and that tren is doing its job.
And I know that this is not a beginner cycle. I know tren should never be used on a first cycle. But I like to push myself to the limit to see what I can achieve. If I'm going to take steroids, I'm going to take the best one there is. It's how I am. You can flame me all day long but it's not going to matter once I start making tren-gains. I WILL do this cycle. And I will experience unpleasant side effects (cough, insomnia, night sweats, tren rage). I know what's coming. And I know I can deal. Like I said before, I'm an extremely motivated person and when I want something I will do anything/deal with anything I must to achieve it.
So really guys, at this point flames aren't necessary. No one is going to talk me out of it and I am completely aware of the hell-ride I may experience on tren. And I'm aware of how stupid this is as a first cycle for an average person. But as I stated above, I'm no average person. NO PAIN, NO GAIN.
I will be injecting EOD. Mainly for ease of measuring ccs. 14 mgs of test and 57 mgs of mast sounds like a real pain in the ass lol with eod dosing it would be as follows:
Prop: 25mg eod
Tren: 75-100 eod
Mast: 100 eod
So a total of 1.75 cc eod. (My mast prop is 200/ml)
09-05-2013, 02:05 PM
09-05-2013, 03:24 PM
09-05-2013, 05:56 PM
As you stay in this game for a while, you'll find that you don't respond to certain AAS and doses the way you once did. As a result, you begin to add more to your stack and also up the doses. You might also add things like Tren.Originally Posted by nelson44bears
For this reason, its important to not use any more than necessary to make gains. I can handle a gram of test with 4 additional compounds, but that's foolish and leaves me little room for progression in the future.
I first started cycling in the 90's and I still use very moderate doses, but they have had to increase as have the number of compounds used.
For the same reason, you don't have to max out your dose the first week either. Meaning, if you were going to run an 8 week cycle of test, and you wanted to run it at 750 mg/wk, you could start at 500 mg and then at week 4 (as your body adjusts) bump it to 750. Running more than you need or can utilize also contributes to aromatizing and sides. It's not about whether or not you can handle it.
You see, your body is always trying to find balance. It wants to reach homeostasis. Your body doesnt want to pack on slabs of extra muscle. Without going to far into this, other things happen like rising myostatin levels which halt gains, etc.
So the moral of the story is - Leave some room for progression.
And I wouldn't worry about the PH, DS, AAS terminology. I don't know what half of that sh1t is. Back in my day we had AAS and Andro. We didn't have wireless AT&T U-Verse and all these new fangled designer steroids. I can't keep up.
09-06-2013, 02:47 AM
I think you are completely right. Leave room for progression. But I don't plan on doing steroids forever. Maybe a couple years. So I want to make as much progress as I can in that time. I'm sure this will involve having to use more and higher dosed anabolics in the future but as I said, I don't want to be on steroids for more than a couple years.
09-06-2013, 03:34 AM
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09-07-2013, 02:25 AM
09-14-2013, 07:07 PM
In for the posts about Horrific Anxiety, mad aggression, terrible insomnia, constant sweating, and horrific heartburn......but I'm sure all the "Legal" stuff had potential sides even close to tren right?
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