Cycle advice: Test/Tren/Mast/Var

[rdg21]

This is my first started thread on this forum, I've done extensive research before even asking for advice on multiple forums, but there comes a time when you need advice tailored to you personally. Before I ask, some personal stats:
H: 6'0
W: 210lbs
BF: 11%
Age: 24
Diet: currently on a lean bulk cycle so my diet is very clean and Im taking in a lot of protein, some complex carbs, staying away from sugar etc. Basically ill eat 8oz of lean chicken/turkey/fish and as much vegetables it takes to fill me up but not make me hate myself.
Cycle experience: Knowing what I do now, I wish I had waited until i was older. Started young, but started about as safely as I could have with the proper research. At about 21, I did a Test E cycle with no other compounds other than my AI (adex) and PCT which included Nolva and Clomid, HCG and various other support supps. I had blood work done before, during and after and it was a very safely done and effective cycle.

I am currently on wk 9 of a 16wk cycle, running Test E, EQ, and ran Tbol my first 4 wks. I really do love the cycle I am currently on, but probably wont run EQ again unless I really start noticing its effectiveness. I have a very reliable and reputable source so I look forward to seeing how it turns out.

Anyway, I am here regarding my next cycle. I am currently planning it out, and intend to run it this winter, around Feb 2014 to allow myself adequate time to recover, and also time to shed as much BF as possible to really get the most out of my next cycle.

Ive never done a "cutting" cycle so i am particularly excited for this one. This is what I need the critique on. One thing I am somewhat confused about is the test dosage vs the Tren dosage. As we all know tren has a much higher affinity to bind to the androgen receptor than Test, so I just want to make sure these dosages are in line:

10wk cycle:

Wk 1-10 50mg Test Prop eod for a total of about 150mg Test prop/week
Wk 1-10 50mg Tren Ace ed for a total of 350mg Tren Ace/week (might increase to 75mgs/day depending on how I respond to it)
Wk 3-10 50mg Mast Prop ed for a total of 350mg Mast Prop/week
Wk 1-? 80mg Anavar/day

I of course will be running AI, prolactin control (caber), and a very proper PCT as always, but I wont get into that unless i need to, because my question is basically only regarding dosage.

How does my tren and test dosages look relative to each other?
How much Mast should I really be running to maximize its effectiveness in this cycle?
And last question, what about the length of time that Im running each compound? Is 10 wks too short, or should I bump it to 12?

Thanks in advance for the answers, I just want to confirm what I've learned from multiple (and often conflicting) sources. If this exact question has been answered 100 times i somehow missed it, and could use advice on how to better navigate the forums to prevent asking the same answered questions in the future. Thanks guys

 

[BigShadow]

This is my first started thread on this forum, I've done extensive research before even asking for advice on multiple forums, but there comes a time when you need advice tailored to you personally. Before I ask, some personal stats:
H: 6'0
W: 210lbs
BF: 11%
Age: 24
Diet: currently on a lean bulk cycle so my diet is very clean and Im taking in a lot of protein, some complex carbs, staying away from sugar etc. Basically ill eat 8oz of lean chicken/turkey/fish and as much vegetables it takes to fill me up but not make me hate myself.
Cycle experience: Knowing what I do now, I wish I had waited until i was older. Started young, but started about as safely as I could have with the proper research. At about 21, I did a Test E cycle with no other compounds other than my AI (adex) and PCT which included Nolva and Clomid, HCG and various other support supps. I had blood work done before, during and after and it was a very safely done and effective cycle.

I am currently on wk 9 of a 16wk cycle, running Test E, EQ, and ran Tbol my first 4 wks. I really do love the cycle I am currently on, but probably wont run EQ again unless I really start noticing its effectiveness. I have a very reliable and reputable source so I look forward to seeing how it turns out.

Anyway, I am here regarding my next cycle. I am currently planning it out, and intend to run it this winter, around Feb 2014 to allow myself adequate time to recover, and also time to shed as much BF as possible to really get the most out of my next cycle.

Ive never done a "cutting" cycle so i am particularly excited for this one. This is what I need the critique on. One thing I am somewhat confused about is the test dosage vs the Tren dosage. As we all know tren has a much higher affinity to bind to the androgen receptor than Test, so I just want to make sure these dosages are in line:

10wk cycle:

Wk 1-10 50mg Test Prop eod for a total of about 150mg Test prop/week
Wk 1-10 50mg Tren Ace ed for a total of 350mg Tren Ace/week (might increase to 75mgs/day depending on how I respond to it)
Wk 3-10 50mg Mast Prop ed for a total of 350mg Mast Prop/week
Wk 1-? 80mg Anavar/day

I of course will be running AI, prolactin control (caber), and a very proper PCT as always, but I wont get into that unless i need to, because my question is basically only regarding dosage.

How does my tren and test dosages look relative to each other?
How much Mast should I really be running to maximize its effectiveness in this cycle?
And last question, what about the length of time that Im running each compound? Is 10 wks too short, or should I bump it to 12?

Thanks in advance for the answers, I just want to confirm what I've learned from multiple (and often conflicting) sources. If this exact question has been answered 100 times i somehow missed it, and could use advice on how to better navigate the forums to prevent asking the same answered questions in the future. Thanks guys

In regards to your test/tren dose. You did your homework and you will be happy with how you have is set up. You might need to up your mast but all in all looks good. I wouldn't run ace for 10 weeks though bro. Honestly I know everyone says shut down is shutdown but damn tren shuts u DOWN. I did a 6 weeker then cruised on cyp for a month then blasted tren again. My buddy still hasn't gotten his libido back. No wood without Viagra lol. So be careful bro. U do know u could just run cyp at 150 week one pin a week and not have to pin all that prop.

 

[rdg21]

In regards to your test/tren dose. You did your homework and you will be happy with how you have is set up. You might need to up your mast but all in all looks good. I wouldn't run ace for 10 weeks though bro. Honestly I know everyone says shut down is shutdown but damn tren shuts u DOWN. I did a 6 weeker then cruised on cyp for a month then blasted tren again. My buddy still hasn't gotten his libido back. No wood without Viagra lol. So be careful bro. U do know u could just run cyp at 150 week one pin a week and not have to pin all that prop.

Thanks for the reply. That's actually a typo, I had planned to run tren for 8wks, but it sounds like 6 may be plenty. And yeah I've been considering running the enanthate ester test and mast, which may be a better option if I were to do what you did and cruise on test in between tren blasts. Once I'm off work ill post two cycles and see what everyone thinks would be best. Thanks!

 

[DetroitHammer]

In regards to your test/tren dose. You did your homework and you will be happy with how you have is set up. You might need to up your mast but all in all looks good. I wouldn't run ace for 10 weeks though bro. Honestly I know everyone says shut down is shutdown but damn tren shuts u DOWN. I did a 6 weeker then cruised on cyp for a month then blasted tren again. My buddy still hasn't gotten his libido back. No wood without Viagra lol. So be careful bro. U do know u could just run cyp at 150 week one pin a week and not have to pin all that prop.

Good advice. I've been on Tren since mid April, hitting it pretty hard at first, and plan to stay on it until maybe Sept-Oct. My libido is over the top, but I'm on TRT so it's a little different. I have never been on tren this long without a break and for me, I noticed a huge increase in size and strength starting about two weeks ago (maybe week 12). All of a sudden my lifts were all personal bests, as is my libido! Hell, I may never come off tren. My test is low at 100mgs per week, while tren is 200mgs Hex E3D. Maybe three days a week I'll do some tren suspension before the workout. I added mast enanthate a couple of weeks ago, just 200mgs per wk. I love tren. If you want to roll the dice, stay on it. I believe the longer you're on it, the more you'll get out of it.

 

[rdg21]

so here is what i have come up with for cycle options, obviously they can be adjusted. Let me know what you think, and which you would run if it were you. Of course after reading more, i now have a couple MORE questions.

First, obviously I would like to take Tren E and not have to pin ED. I have no problem with needles or injections, but the less the better. I wouldnt pin tren ace eod, I'd rather do it ED. This leads to my next question: I realize if i were to do Tren E and had terrible sides, it'd be a couple weeks until the tren would clear my system and the sides would subside. With Ace, it would be a much shorter wait. But what about Hex? If the sides were really bugging me, how long would it take for tren Hex to clear my system? Im just trying to see which ester would be my best option.

Here are the two cycles I am considering:

Wk 1-10 (or 12, tell me what you think!) 50mg Test Prop eod for a total of about 150mg Test prop/week
Wk 1-8 50-75mg Tren Ace ed for a total of 350-525mg Tren Ace/week
Wk 3-10 75mg Mast Prop ed for a total of 525mg Mast Prop/week
Wk 1-8 80mg Anavar ed

-OR-

Wk 1-12 200mg Test E (went with 200mg because with the weight of the ester, ill receive about 140mg active hormone) per week
Wk 1-8 50-75mg Tren ed, so about 350-525mg per week. Dosage freq and amount may change with the ester, if i decide to use hex....
Wk 1-12 500mg Masteron E every week
WK 1-8 80mg var per day

on cycle support will be as follows:

0.5mg caber 2x week for prolactin issues
0.5mg Arimidex e3d
2caps Himalaya liver support even though var isnt particularly hepatoxic.. never hurts
all my other vitamins etc.

PCT will be as follows (started when appropriate for whichever esters i decide on):

Wk 1-5 1mg Arimidex ed (how necessary is this dosage?)
Wk 1-4 Nolva 40/40/20/20 respectively
Wk 1-4 Clomid 100/100/50/50 respectively
Wk 1 4500iu HCG
Wk 2 3000iu HCG
Wk 3 1500iu HCG



How does all this look? I guess the hardest task from here is deciding what esters to use. I bumped up the mast dosage. Also please let me know if there are any adjustments i should make to on cycle support and PCT. I am huge on PCT, my body is very serious to me so if there is something i could be doing better please let me know!

Thanks a lot for the help!


-rdg21

 

[rdg21]

of course there is always the option to run a 6wk tren blast, cruise on test for a month and do another one as BigShadow said. so many options... hmmmm.With the potency of tren and the hardening of Mast, is var even necessary? I really want to shred up and gain a bit of lean mass, but the tren will take care of that quite easily i assume... Should I run a different oral (tbol most likely, i love that stuff), or maybe even anadrol so that i gain some mass and let the other compounds dry me out, or should i just cut out the oral all together?

 

[rdg21]

And what are your thoughts on running test P and mast prop until the test and mast E kick in?

Sorry for the multiple posts.. Insomnia sets in and my mind races, I'm eager to Learn!

 

[Mr.Sinister]

Some would say not to run nolva with a 19-nor.

 

[rdg21]

Some would say not to run nolva with a 19-nor.

Not even during pct? Not running and serms on cycle..

 

[nelson44bears]

Yeah there is controversy over nolva in pct with Tren-like compounds. I always play it safe and sub torem for nolva

 

[Captn_the]

In regards to your test/tren dose. You did your homework and you will be happy with how you have is set up. You might need to up your mast but all in all looks good. I wouldn't run ace for 10 weeks though bro. Honestly I know everyone says shut down is shutdown but damn tren shuts u DOWN. I did a 6 weeker then cruised on cyp for a month then blasted tren again. My buddy still hasn't gotten his libido back. No wood without Viagra lol. So be careful bro. U do know u could just run cyp at 150 week one pin a week and not have to pin all that prop.

Cycle and ratios look g2g - id stick with the prop, but maybe look at ED pinning for all compounds. I prefer the slin pin method for ED - far more comfortable and provides more locations to hit like tris, pecs, rear delts etc.

6-8 wks is enough for tren IMO. Have caber on hand, but you won't need an AI on cycle.

 

[DetroitHammer]

And what are your thoughts on running test P and mast prop until the test and mast E kick in?

Sorry for the multiple posts.. Insomnia sets in and my mind races, I'm eager to Learn!

Just a quick comment regarding esters. I think everyone knows that if you start xxx-enanthate, it won't take 10 days to kick in. It starts as soon as you inject. You won't get a full release, but you get an immediate release. If you are thinking about the overlap and bringing the release (cleavage) to a point where you get a fairly steady level of xxx in your system, then that process depends on where you inject and how much. Half lives are based on 100mgs injected in the delts. 200mgs injected in the glutes will have a whole different half life picture. In your case, the mast kicks in the day you inject, regardless of the ester. If you desire a higher level of mast in your system while the enanthate esters stack up, then using a prop/ACE/Hex ester would cleave off quicker, but in the alternative, if you injected mast e every two days you may get nearly the same level in your system without the surge.

 

[BigShadow]

Just a quick comment regarding esters. I think everyone knows that if you start xxx-enanthate, it won't take 10 days to kick in. It starts as soon as you inject. You won't get a full release, but you get an immediate release. If you are thinking about the overlap and bringing the release (cleavage) to a point where you get a fairly steady level of xxx in your system, then that process depends on where you inject and how much. Half lives are based on 100mgs injected in the delts. 200mgs injected in the glutes will have a whole different half life picture. In your case, the mast kicks in the day you inject, regardless of the ester. If you desire a higher level of mast in your system while the enanthate esters stack up, then using a prop/ACE/Hex ester would cleave off quicker, but in the alternative, if you injected mast e every two days you may get nearly the same level in your system without the surge.

^^^^DH gotta say I learn something every time I read your posts

 

[GLHF]

Exactly DH !!!!

People don't know muscle group can affect absorption rate of xxx ester.

 

[thyrod]

You should log it, seems like a glory cycle, might be problem with receptors though. If I am correct. Var is sick, I don't think I'll cycle without it.

 

[thyrod]

Exactly DH !!!!

People don't know muscle group can affect absorption rate of xxx ester.

Da **** is this. Had no idea, is there a article about this very I treated, and the whole water thing turned my world around. So you say that if I were to run test e 150-250mg a week 1-14 and I ran tren A from 1-6 ill be okay? Gah confused

 

[tinytony]

Just a quick comment regarding esters. I think everyone knows that if you start xxx-enanthate, it won't take 10 days to kick in. It starts as soon as you inject. You won't get a full release, but you get an immediate release. If you are thinking about the overlap and bringing the release (cleavage) to a point where you get a fairly steady level of xxx in your system, then that process depends on where you inject and how much. Half lives are based on 100mgs injected in the delts. 200mgs injected in the glutes will have a whole different half life picture. In your case, the mast kicks in the day you inject, regardless of the ester. If you desire a higher level of mast in your system while the enanthate esters stack up, then using a prop/ACE/Hex ester would cleave off quicker, but in the alternative, if you injected mast e every two days you may get nearly the same level in your system without the surge.

Glutes most likely extends the "half life"? Seems I have more of a hardcore boost after delt injections.

 

[DetroitHammer]

Right...

 

[tinytony]

I'm running ace ester so things like that seem to be a small bit more noticeable

 

[rdg21]

Honestly I'm not set on var. I think 3 compounds will do me very well. And it'll be my first log on this forum. Very interesting info, I am aware that there is immediate release and it takes time to
Build. I won't be running prop esters in the beginning of the cycle, and ill probably stick to enanthate esters for the mast and test. That's just what I'm comfortable with. Thanks for the replies. Always learning.

 

[Lukef2000]

PCT will be as follows (started when appropriate for whichever esters i decide on):

Wk 1-5 1mg Arimidex ed (how necessary is this dosage?)
Wk 1-4 Nolva 40/40/20/20 respectively
Wk 1-4 Clomid 100/100/50/50 respectively
Wk 1 4500iu HCG
Wk 2 3000iu HCG
Wk 3 1500iu HCG

How does all this look? I guess the hardest task from here is deciding what esters to use. I bumped up the mast dosage. Also please let me know if there are any adjustments i should make to on cycle support and PCT. I am huge on PCT, my body is very serious to me so if there is something i could be doing better please let me know!

Thanks a lot for the help!

-rdg21

I wouldn't use HCG in pct bro. HCG is suppressive an at those high dosages there is a risk of desensitisation of your leydig cell ( te cells in your testes that produce natural test ). Run it throughout your cycle 250iu twice a week. Studies show that this is all that's required, and there is no benefit to dosing any higher on cycle.

 

[Lukef2000]

I'd also throw something in for cortisol control for pct. cortisol is a big part of why people lose muscle in pct as their body is in a severely "stressed" state.

 

[Lukef2000]

Just a quick comment regarding esters. I think everyone knows that if you start xxx-enanthate, it won't take 10 days to kick in. It starts as soon as you inject. You won't get a full release, but you get an immediate release. If you are thinking about the overlap and bringing the release (cleavage) to a point where you get a fairly steady level of xxx in your system, then that process depends on where you inject and how much. Half lives are based on 100mgs injected in the delts. 200mgs injected in the glutes will have a whole different half life picture. In your case, the mast kicks in the day you inject, regardless of the ester. If you desire a higher level of mast in your system while the enanthate esters stack up, then using a prop/ACE/Hex ester would cleave off quicker, but in the alternative, if you injected mast e every two days you may get nearly the same level in your system without the surge.

Honestly you should write a book lol. Every time you comment on something I learn a lot.