Mixing Testosterone-E and Deca for a subcutaneous injection?
- 02-05-2013, 09:47 PM
- 02-13-2013, 02:50 AM
Sorry for not getting back to this post, but I'm not getting email notifications of thread updates.
Well alot of discussion on SQ test injections, and I did get 1 "yay" on mixing test and deca, but I was really wondering if about what happens when pinning Deca (mixed with test) SQ.
The whole SQ thing is getting a lot of talk, but I don't see many people discussing pinning Deca...or EQ...or other oil based injectables SQ.
All the Best
- 02-15-2013, 02:41 PM
from the UGII :
Steroids are designed to be injected into the muscle so that the drug will dissipate from
the injection site at a timed, determined rate. If you inject an oil based steroid into a slab
of fat, it will take longer (sometimes months) to dissipate from the injection site.
02-15-2013, 02:43 PM
02-26-2013, 10:06 PM
I am another person succesfully doing TRT Sub-Q method and personally I like 25G.
Before switching to Sub-Q I researched much and in summary found:
1. Sub-Q is NOT recommended for short esters or no ester.
2. Sub-Q is recommended for long esters like C or E, with actual medical tests to prove it.
According to convention if we inject oil-based anabolic steroids into the fat layer beneath the skin and above the muscle (subcutaneous) it will impair absorption and could delay dissapation of drugs for many weeks or months. New research conducted at the Royal Victoria Hospital in Canada at the endocrine clinic tested the viability of subcutaneous shots.
The study involved 22 patients who were using the clinic for testosterone replacement therapy. The anabolic steroid used was testosterone enanthate. The subjects were instructed to self-administer their testosterone subcutaneously once per week. The same 1ml that would have been injected once every 2 weeks was divided up into .5ml weekly injections. Blood tests which were conducted periodically throughout the 1 year investigation were suprisingly and unquestionably consistent. For exactly 100% of patients enrolled, testosterone levels remained in the physiological (normal) range for the entire duration of the study. This included both peak and trough levels (high & low during each week). Furthermore injections were extremely well tolerated. Each patient took over 50 injections and not one single adverse reactionn was noticed at the injection site.
The investigation concluded that not only was subcutaneous testosterone enanthate a viable option as far as drug release , but it was safe, cheap and far more comfortable for their patients compared to intramuscular injections.
Saudi Med J, 2006 Dec;27(12):1843-6 courtesty of W. Llewellyn
STABLE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS ACHIEVED
WITH SUBCUTANEOUS TESTOSTERONE
M.B. Greenspan, C.M. Chang
Division of Urology, Department of Surgery, McMaster University,
Hamilton, ON, Canada
Objectives: The preferred technique of androgen replacement
has been intramuscular (IM) testosterone, but wide
variations in testosterone levels are often seen. Subcutaneous
(SC) testosterone injection is a novel approach; however,
its physiological effects are unclear. We therefore investigated
the sustainability of stable testosterone levels using
SC therapy. Patients and methods: Between May and
September 2005, we conducted a small pilot study involving
10 male patients with symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism.
Every patient had been stable on TE 200 mg IM for
41 year. Patients were instructed to self-inject with
testosterone enanthate (TE) 100 mg SC (DELATESTRYL
200 mg/cc, Theramed Corp, Canada) into the anterior
abdomen once weekly. Some patients were down-titrated
to 50 mg based on their total testosterone (T) at 4 weeks.
Informed consent was obtained as SC testosterone administration
is not officially approved by Health Canada. T
levels were measured before and 24 hours after injection
during weeks 1, 2, 3, and 4, and 96 hours after injection
in week 6 and 8. At week 12, PSA, CBC, and T levels
were measured however; the week 12 data are still being
collected. Results: Prior to initiation of SC therapy, T
was 19.14+3.48 nmol/l, hemoglobin 15.8+1.3 g/dl, hematocrit
0.47+0.02, and PSA 1.05+0.65 ng/ml. During
the first 4 weeks, there was a steady increase in
pre-injection T from 19.14+3.48 to 23.89+9.15 nmol/l
(p¼0.1). However, after 8 weeks the post-injection T
(25.77+7.67 nmol/l) remained similar to that of week 1
(27.46+12.91 nmol/l). Patients tolerated this therapy with
no adverse effects. Conclusions: A once-week SC injection
of 50–100 mg of TE appears to achieve sustainable and
stable levels of physiological T. This technique offers
fewer physician visits and the use of smaller quantity of
medication, thus lower costs. However, the long term
clinical and physiological effects of this therapy need further
02-26-2013, 10:29 PM
Although Sub-Q is well know in the TRT area, perhaps the reason some body builders are not as aware is because the goals many times are different?
i.e. On TRT extra time to achieve smooth and stable typically is not an issue. Where as some body builders want to get in and out quick, even at the expense of some stability, and can sometimes compensate, such as using an AI. Not putting down either method, just high-lighting some outside of the box thoughts.
02-27-2013, 07:20 PM
and where is one going to dissipate a bodybuilding regiment of up to 6+ ml/wk of gear & oil sq for 10-12 wks?
02-28-2013, 09:35 PM
Good point! TRT typically pins about 1ml and a typical body builder cycle pins much more. 1g of test can be 5ml and that is just the base.
03-03-2013, 11:48 AM
03-03-2013, 11:58 PM
My "advisors" (local long term body building friends) have instructed me to take the test' IM.
They have also suggested that I can mix the test' and the deca in the same tube and do IM pins.
yea just do that
03-07-2013, 08:03 PM
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