4 WEEK BLAST CYCLE!! Test P/Tren A/TNE/Dbol/Anadrol

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Danb2285

    Lol maybe. I ain't cheap though and I don't want no scrub
    Scrub... lol...


  2. Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave View Post
    I was also reading about Tren Acetate and how depending on where you inject determines how fast your body metabolizes it resulting in faster or slower increase in blood levels. Do you know much about this? If interested I can find the article I read and post it, I am just curious if you have any experience with that since you are the "tren junkie" haha.
    I have to run and do a photo shoot right now, but I want to get back to this. I am interested in the article because it seems to support my belief in how esters work, which is not the popularly held belief that after half life, the next half life is the same period of time, and so on, so that "half life" is actually only maybe 15% of the total time in your system. That to me is total BS. I want to expand on that in detail later this eveing. Great point and glad you brought it up.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer

    I have to run and do a photo shoot right now, but I want to get back to this. I am interested in the article because it seems to support my belief in how esters work, which is not the popularly held belief that after half life, the next half life is the same period of time, and so on, so that "half life" is actually only maybe 15% of the total time in your system. That to me is total BS. I want to expand on that in detail later this eveing. Great point and glad you brought it up.
    Ok good luck at the shoot. Whats the shoot for? I didn't know you did that. I will get up some links this afternoon when I get to a computer for you to take a look at
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  4. Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave View Post

    Ok good luck at the shoot. Whats the shoot for? I didn't know you did that. I will get up some links this afternoon when I get to a computer for you to take a look at
    Cant wait... cause i think i would enjoy smaller ccycles with an injectable more so... i just gotta see if it really works... just reallyy hard shutdown with tren... not sure how to get a hold of hcg... also... but i would really enjoy and would think it would be really easy cycle if it was just with prop...

  5. Quote Originally Posted by madds87 View Post
    Cant wait... cause i think i would enjoy smaller ccycles with an injectable more so... i just gotta see if it really works... just reallyy hard shutdown with tren... not sure how to get a hold of hcg... also... but i would really enjoy and would think it would be really easy cycle if it was just with prop...
    hcg aint gonna help a whole lot with tren ime. You just need lots of time off of it before you do pct.

    Up until a couple weeks ago I didn't have much libido and boner problems for about 6 months. Kept getting bloodwork and test, estro, fsh and lh kept coming back fine. Finally decided to get prolactin tested and it was ****ing 24. Hadn't used tren for about 6 months. Popped a few caber caps and I'm back to my horny, 24/7 boner self. Just shows those metabolites may linger for a loooooooooong time after you discontinue use.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by madds87

    Cant wait... cause i think i would enjoy smaller ccycles with an injectable more so... i just gotta see if it really works... just reallyy hard shutdown with tren... not sure how to get a hold of hcg... also... but i would really enjoy and would think it would be really easy cycle if it was just with prop...
    I'm thinking the same way man. I'm more interested in running high androgen and mid level anabolics. If I can do this and recover quick then its what I'm doing. I won't know until I try. Sooooo... Guinea Pig up!
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  7. Stupid question....what's TNE?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Warwarrior
    Stupid question....what's TNE?
    No such thing as stupid questions. It means Testosterone No Ester. So if you inject 100mg of TNE you get 100mg of Testosterone IMMEDIATELY. down side is it is gone in hours and is metabolized out in around 24 hours.

    Most people inject right before they lift to increase aggression, strength and motivation as well as more.
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  9. Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave View Post
    No such thing as stupid questions. It means Testosterone No Ester. So if you inject 100mg of TNE you get 100mg of Testosterone IMMEDIATELY. down side is it is gone in hours and is metabolized out in around 24 hours.

    Most people inject right before they lift to increase aggression, strength and motivation as well as more.
    Fact: for every mg of TNE you use before a deadlift session, you get an additional 1lb on your pull.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by jt339

    Fact: for every mg of TNE you use before a deadlift session, you get an additional 1lb on your pull.
    I dunno man lol. That might not apply to everyone...... if I pin 1000mg I don't deadlift 1485lbs
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  11. Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave View Post
    I dunno man lol. That might not apply to everyone...... if I pin 1000mg I don't deadlift 1485lbs
    Well then your **** is obviously bunk. I pinned a gram once and threw 315 through the roof.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by jt339

    Well then your **** is obviously bunk. I pinned a gram once and threw 315 through the roof.
    Hahaha
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  13. Face slap*

  14. Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave View Post
    No such thing as stupid questions. It means Testosterone No Ester. So if you inject 100mg of TNE you get 100mg of Testosterone IMMEDIATELY. down side is it is gone in hours and is metabolized out in around 24 hours.

    Most people inject right before they lift to increase aggression, strength and motivation as well as more.
    Ok, sounds fun Obviously you don't mind pinning, lol! Eager to see how it goes, good luck man!

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Warwarrior

    Ok, sounds fun Obviously you don't mind pinning, lol! Eager to see how it goes, good luck man!
    No problem man I will pin myself all over. Military taught me to have no fear of needles after I did a combat livesaver course. I had to IV myself in each arm... it was sick lol
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  16. This will not doubt ruffle many feathers. I left out details like HCG, SERMs, AIs, etc because it gets too complicated. I kept it simple for my behalf, not yours.

    Let’s start with the widely held belief that esters and half lives work this way: The half life of testosterone cypionate is around 12 days. This means that 12 days from your last shot of 1000mg of testosterone cypionate, your blood levels of testosterone cypionate will contain 500mg of the steroid. Another 12 days from then, i.e. 24 days from last dose, your blood levels will contain 250mg of the steroid. This amount then keeps halving every 12 days. At 48 days (almost 2 months) from your last dose, your blood levels will still contain 67.5mg of testosterone cypionate.


    This is what everyone will tell you, for the most part, but it makes no sense. Esterification of an injectable anabolic/androgenic steroid basically accomplishes one thing, it slows the release of the parent steroid from the site of injection. This happens because the ester will notably lower the water solubility of the steroid, and increase its lipid solubility. This will cause the drug to form a deposit in the muscle tissue, from which it will slowly enter into circulation as it is picked up in small quantities by the blood.

    Let’s stay with our example. When you inject 1000mgs it forms a depot, a deposit. It’s critical that the deposit remain in a cluster to protect the release of the core molecules over time. If the depot is the size of a marble (just for illustration purposes) and the size is half of a marble in 12 days, it will not take another 12 days to cut that in half, or reduce it to 500. Logically it should take half the time because you have half the size, so the next half life should be 6 days with 250 remaining. Then the next half life should be three days, not a series of half lives with 12, equal day intervals. Plus as the deposit remains in your system, it is slowly breached and cannot hold a solid, impermeable barrier around itself. Your body starts to break it down as soon as it enters your body.

    Now you could say that following my logic, if you inject only 500mgs, then the half life should be 6 days! Well, not so fast. Whether you inject 100mgs or a 1000mgs, the half life is going to be the same 12 days and the rapid absorption will be the same rate that I believe is real life. And for all those that feel like I’m so wrong, why do you start PCT two weeks after your last injection if you feel you have months to go before you get to the end of the life? You’re living in denial if you believe the former and still PCT after only two weeks.

    What proof do I have? Only blood panels and common sense. My testosterone levels drop dramatically over two weeks if I reduce the amount. How much? The most dramatic is from 6000 down to 1200 in three weeks. But as an experiment, I’ve tested the day after an injection and then 5 days after an injection (different weeks). The day after my test is 1500 (approx) but five days later it’s down to 900. Now this doesn’t follow the precise math above, and that’s the other point. The rate of cleavage is dependant upon your body’s metabolism, the site (exposure to high volume of blood flow or in a more protected area of fatty tissue) and the quality of gear. I would take the half life of any advertised ester and cut it back and be more logical in the whole life of an injection. The half life of any ester is a moving target and should not be something you set your clock to.

  17. Damn bro! Detroit I have always thought about it the same way. I agree with your logic and have been reading medical journals and searching for actual medical proof of the half-life theory that is mentioned on the boards.

    I have some medical articles that speak about how the injected AAS forms the depot, is slowly released in your blood stream and as the depot sits in your body (protected by the ester) it is slowly metabolized and attacked by the body.

    I will get the links up soon.
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  18. Quote Originally Posted by jt339

    hcg aint gonna help a whole lot with tren ime. You just need lots of time off of it before you do pct.

    Up until a couple weeks ago I didn't have much libido and boner problems for about 6 months. Kept getting bloodwork and test, estro, fsh and lh kept coming back fine. Finally decided to get prolactin tested and it was ****ing 24. Hadn't used tren for about 6 months. Popped a few caber caps and I'm back to my horny, 24/7 boner self. Just shows those metabolites may linger for a loooooooooong time after you discontinue use.
    Out of curiosity what type of tren did you use?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Out of curiosity what type of tren did you use?
    enth last time, but my libido never fully recovered after the first time I used it which was about a year ago. Didn't have any actual sexual dysfunction though if I remember correctly. First time I used 350mg ace a week. Also, in my previous post I kind of asserted that lingering metabolites were causing the elevated prolactin which may not have been the case. I can't really point to a specific reason why the prolactin stayed elevated. I have only theories and I think it would be foolish to try and draw a definite conclusion from that.

    Stocked up on caber and I'm about to order some more enth. Gonna run it 400mg for 10 weeks. Clearly didn't learn my lesson =)

  20. Got the references for the studies but my computer is being dumb. I will put em up when I'm home.
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  21. Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave View Post
    Got the references for the studies but my computer is being dumb. I will put em up when I'm home.
    Got my glasses on... ready for some edumacation

  22. A lot of knowledge on this thread! Kill it

  23. Here are the studies below. Copy them and paste them in google, it will pull up the articles. The ones about metabolism (there is 2) and the one about nandrolone ester are the best ones IMO. If anyone has questions let me know.


    A pharmacokinetic study of injectable testosterone undecanoate in hypogonadal men J Androl 1998 Nov-Dec;19(6):761-8

    Schulte-Beerbuhl M et al., Comparison of testosterone, dihydrotestosterone, luteinizing hormone, and follicle-stimulating hormone in serum after injection of testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate. Fertility and Sterility (1980) 33.2 : 201-203.

    Van der Vies, J. Acta Endocrinologica., 1985, 271, 38-44

    Weinbauer, G.F.; Jackwerth, B; et al. Acta Endocrinol. Copenh., 1990, 122, 432-42

    Belkien, L.; Schurmeyer, T.; et al. J. Steroid Biochem., 1985, 22, 623-629

    Metabolism of Anabolic Androgenic steroids. V. Rogozkin. 1991 CRC press

    Metabolism of synthetic steroids. Fotherby K, James F. Adv. Steroid biochem pharmacol 1972 3: 67-165

    Pharmacokinetic parameters of nandrolone (19-nortestosterone) after intramuscular administration of nandrolone decanoate to healthy volunteers. Wijnand, Bosch and Donker.

    Implications of basic pharmacology in the therapy with esters of nandrolone. Acta endocrinol 1985 (suppl 271) 38-43
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  24. This ones talks about life of Nandrolone in the body
    http://www.clinchem.org/content/50/2/355.full

    https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/georg...-papers/17.pdf

    This is a very big article but it has a TON of references below it and some of them are interesting. I have been reading them randomly and been learning alot.
    http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/86/11/5108.full
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  25. Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave View Post
    Here are the studies below. Copy them and paste them in google, it will pull up the articles. The ones about metabolism (there is 2) and the one about nandrolone ester are the best ones IMO. If anyone has questions let me know.

    A pharmacokinetic study of injectable testosterone undecanoate in hypogonadal men J Androl 1998 Nov-Dec;19(6):761-8

    Schulte-Beerbuhl M et al., Comparison of testosterone, dihydrotestosterone, luteinizing hormone, and follicle-stimulating hormone in serum after injection of testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate. Fertility and Sterility (1980) 33.2 : 201-203.

    Van der Vies, J. Acta Endocrinologica., 1985, 271, 38-44

    Weinbauer, G.F.; Jackwerth, B; et al. Acta Endocrinol. Copenh., 1990, 122, 432-42

    Belkien, L.; Schurmeyer, T.; et al. J. Steroid Biochem., 1985, 22, 623-629

    Metabolism of Anabolic Androgenic steroids. V. Rogozkin. 1991 CRC press

    Metabolism of synthetic steroids. Fotherby K, James F. Adv. Steroid biochem pharmacol 1972 3: 67-165

    Pharmacokinetic parameters of nandrolone (19-nortestosterone) after intramuscular administration of nandrolone decanoate to healthy volunteers. Wijnand, Bosch and Donker.

    Implications of basic pharmacology in the therapy with esters of nandrolone. Acta endocrinol 1985 (suppl 271) 38-43
    Where the rest of it lol

  26. Quote Originally Posted by madds87 View Post
    Where the rest of it lol
    Im giving the tools to learn haha. You just copy, paste, search and then read. I will pull pieces out when I get home since I am at work now.
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice

  27. Quote Originally Posted by thyrod View Post
    A lot of knowledge on this thread! Kill it
    Dave always brings it! I'm always learning from his work!

  28. DD is a mad scientist! Knowledge is power, expand your mind is what I always tell my little girl, it's just funny to me how many people on this forum are so closed minded. Good info here. Most informative thread I've read in awhile.
  

  
 

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