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  1. So I'm going to see the doctor within the next week or two to get my hormones, cholesterol and heart checked. If everything looks ok I should be starting around 3/11-3/18. I will post pre cycle bloodwork for everyone to see, I might get some objections that are worth hearing.

    So after some deliberation I decided I do want to run it at higher dose, for a longer duration than I was previously talking about:

    1-3 test p 440/440/220
    1-14/16 test e 312.5 or 420
    1-13/15 deca 275 or 370
    Haven't quite figured out the dose and duration, suggestions?
    hcg on cycle 250mcg M/F
    Exemestane on hand
    Pct
    Torem 120/120/60/60/60/60
    Exemestane 25mg M/F?
    DAA
    Ostarine 20mg/day
    I will also be throwing in IGF periodically on cycle, and during pct.

    Fish oil, multi, caber, liv 52, Hawthorne berry, accutane, ghrp

    This is my first time running deca, 2nd aas cycle, but I've run many ph cycles. I'm looking for as much strength and size as possible.

    I'm 5'9 182 10% bf 6 years training. I do a modified 5x5 program x3/week and box x2-3/week.

    Just wanted to get the thread started, and discuss it a bit. I forget anything?


  2. I'd do the test 420 for 16, deca 300 for 14.
    HCG is in iu not mcg (just making sure)
    torem doeses are too high IMHO
    you could do 120 for a day or two to saturate, then the rest of that week at 90, then 90/60/60/30/30.
    make sure you have some caber or parami on hand in case of major deca sides (I wouldn't expect them at that dose though).
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*
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  3. I'm mixing 1cc deca 250, 1cc deca 300, and 2.5cc test e 250 for 3 1.5cc doses - I have 2 different companies and I'm trying to make sure I'm getting the dosage all the way through. Modifying this is difficult.

    If I add .5cc test e, and .5cc sterile oil, that would make it so 1.5cc has 204mg test e and 150mg deca. Or 408mg test e and 300mg deca/week.

    16 & 14 sounds great to me, a nice solid number with plenty of time for the deca to clear before starting pct.

    The torem is dosed based on 60mg capsules, so 30/90mg isn't really an option. Do you advise 120 just for the first couple days, and then 60 for the remainder?

    As for caber, I have it on hand, I'm taking .5 M/F from the start, I'm not giving the sides a chance to occur.

  4. torem has a long half-life so we could do something like (dosage per day now)
    week 1: 120/120/60/120/60/120/60
    week 2: 120/60/120/60/120/60/120
    week 3: 60/60/60/60/60/60/60
    week 4: 60/60/60/60/60/60/60
    Week 5: 60/0/60/0/60/0/60
    Week 6: 60/0/60/0/60/0/60
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  5. How important is getting bloodwork before starting? I found out its going to be pretty pricey without health insurance, and I can't really afford more than just a basic physical and cholesterol check - hormones is a couple hundred dollars? Is that normal?
  6. -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  7. Thank you, got checked today, will post when I get results. I can tell you my bp is a little on the upper limits of the normal range, but my hr is under 60. I was getting a little chest pain for a bit, but I think it was just temporary hbp, cause the doctor said he couldnt see anything wrong. Who knows. Maybe I was just being a hypercondriac bc I had learned about angina at school. Maybe its the caffeine.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast
    torem has a long half-life so we could do something like (dosage per day now)
    week 1: 120/120/60/120/60/120/60
    week 2: 120/60/120/60/120/60/120
    week 3: 60/60/60/60/60/60/60
    week 4: 60/60/60/60/60/60/60
    Week 5: 60/0/60/0/60/0/60
    Week 6: 60/0/60/0/60/0/60
    Alright this looks good to me. I hear torem is amazing, brings you back right away like you were never on.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by smash1904
    So I'm going to see the doctor within the next week or two to get my hormones, cholesterol and heart checked. If everything looks ok I should be starting around 3/11-3/18. I will post pre cycle bloodwork for everyone to see, I might get some objections that are worth hearing.

    So after some deliberation I decided I do want to run it at higher dose, for a longer duration than I was previously talking about:

    1-3 test p 440/440/220
    1-14/16 test e 312.5 or 420
    1-13/15 deca 275 or 370
    Haven't quite figured out the dose and duration, suggestions?
    hcg on cycle 250mcg M/F
    Exemestane on hand
    Pct
    Torem 120/120/60/60/60/60
    Exemestane 25mg M/F?
    DAA
    Ostarine 20mg/day
    I will also be throwing in IGF periodically on cycle, and during pct.

    Fish oil, multi, caber, liv 52, Hawthorne berry, accutane, ghrp

    This is my first time running deca, 2nd aas cycle, but I've run many ph cycles. I'm looking for as much strength and size as possible.

    I'm 5'9 182 10% bf 6 years training. I do a modified 5x5 program x3/week and box x2-3/week.

    Just wanted to get the thread started, and discuss it a bit. I forget anything?
    I'm so jelly of this cycle brah. I wish I had the extra money for something like this
    Getting back into the swing of things

  10. Quote Originally Posted by ReyMan

    I'm so jelly of this cycle brah. I wish I had the extra money for something like this
    Hahaha I wish I did too, I'm pretty broke now :/
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  11. So these are the numbers I got back:
    Test 423
    Estradiol 27.4
    LH 5.2
    Fsh 2.9
    HDL 52
    LDL 113

    I was also told my liver values were elevated, but I'm assuming that's the accutane. Unless there's any objections I would like to start tomorrow.

  12. Day 1:

    Weight: 182

    Overhead press 105 5x5
    Front squat 145 5x5
    Front squat shrug 145 4x10

    I won't be listing isolation unless I feel it needs mentioning...

    My acne wasn't quite under control, might need to up the dose on accutane if it starts getting pretty bad again. 40mg/day.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by smash1904
    Day 1:

    Weight: 182

    Overhead press 105 5x5
    Front squat 145 5x5
    Front squat shrug 145 4x10

    I won't be listing isolation unless I feel it needs mentioning...

    My acne wasn't quite under control, might need to up the dose on accutane if it starts getting pretty bad again. 40mg/day.
    How long have you been on accutane for? I took it for 6 months, my junior year of highschool. That stuff made me so depressed!
    Getting back into the swing of things

  14. Quote Originally Posted by ReyMan

    How long have you been on accutane for? I took it for 6 months, my junior year of highschool. That stuff made me so depressed!
    About 3 weeks so far. Some days my skin looks a lot better, than it breaks out again. It's weird. And its mostly just on my right shoulder. Seems like regular tanning and 20mg a day is working, but I might need to up the dose.

  15. Day 2:

    Weight: 184

    My back is super sore, but shoulders and legs? Nope.

    Gotta say this dose does not feel good - 200mg test e 125mg test p 150mg deca is 2cc plus I diluted it with half a cc of oil, and its almost as bad as test 400. Is that just cause its such a large shot?

    Will there be complications if I just switch quads every time, rather than hit other muscles? I mean what is too frequent to hit a muscle?

  16. Day 5:

    Weight: 185

    Friday didn't go as planned. My gym closes at 8 and I forgot and got there at 755. So I went to the poolside gym, which is lacking, but basically did my workout high rep low weight. Was pretty sore the next day.

    I'm feeling energized and strong, I love the way test makes me feel. Was thinking about trying 250mg test p eod in the near future. I'm really excited about this deca.

  17. Tell me if these goals seem unreasonable for this cycle:

    Bench starting 210 5x5 ending 315 5x5
    Wide grip pull up starting 35 5x5 ending 90 4x10
    Deadlift starting 225x5 ending 365x5
    Overhead press starting 105 5x5 ending 225 5x5
    Front squat starting 145 5x5 ending 225 5x5
    This is a 16 week cycle test 400 deca 300/week, and that's where I could be, respectively, with progressive load if I had little sticking at any weight. 16 weeks of no sticking would provide a 160 lb increase on bench and deadlift, and the number I'm talking are under that.

  18. I'd be concerned at the loads your joints and tendons will see at that progression. I'd move things to a higher volume and go for more of a mass gain cycle while on, especially deca and test.
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  19. Those are not realistic expectations. If you got half of that, it would be a pretty successful cycle.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  20. How frequently should I go up in weight? 5 lbs every other time instead of every time like my current protocol demands? I'm happy I brought this up, realizing I could injure myself if I kept my protocol the same. My friend brought up tendon and ligament issues as well, said try to do 225 1x25 on bench and move up from there, for instance. I have no problem switching to a 4x10 approach, but is 20 lbs a month on bench and deadlift, 10 lbs on front squat and overhead press too much?

  21. Day 6:

    Weight: 184

    Bench: 210 5x5
    Deadlift: 215x5 225x5 235x5
    WGPU: bw + 35 5x5

    Best work out I've had in awhile, I felt strong and energized all the way through. I'm on break from boxing 3/15-4/15 so I did some cardio on a bike: 15 mins keeping my hr between 140 and 150.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post
    How frequently should I go up in weight? 5 lbs every other time instead of every time like my current protocol demands? I'm happy I brought this up, realizing I could injure myself if I kept my protocol the same. My friend brought up tendon and ligament issues as well, said try to do 225 1x25 on bench and move up from there, for instance. I have no problem switching to a 4x10 approach, but is 20 lbs a month on bench and deadlift, 10 lbs on front squat and overhead press too much?
    It's not just the joint and connective tissues; it's also the CNS. Even on AAS, you cannot expect to have linear strength gains and will still need a deload every 4-6 weeks.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  23. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    It's not just the joint and connective tissues; it's also the CNS. Even on AAS, you cannot expect to have linear strength gains and will still need a deload every 4-6 weeks.
    Oh ya I didn't even think of that, I was just imagining ongoing strength gains the whole cycle. When your only talking a 5 lb weight increase every workout, and being on aas, I forgot normal physiology, and was only thinking about issues with connective tissue. Last cycle I had to drop weight a few times, I don't know why I didnt think this would happen again, or why that applies. I was just thinking: 10 lb increase on bench a week, 16 weeks, 160 lb increase. Kind of dumb. Ive just been wanting to hit 300 on bench for years, but Ive learnt patience plays a huge part in this, along with dedication and consistency.

    Should I drop a 5x5 routine on cycle? I mean you do a 10% deload when you stick on an exercise three times anyways, so is that enough deloading through the routine? I might be overthinking it, but is this kind of routine likely to hurt me on cycle, or hinder results? I really like 5x5, but this isnt the first time Ive heard about switching to higher volume, and focusing on mass. I'm just not sure how to approach this cause its pretty different from what Ive already been doing. Honestly I was thinking of switching from 5x5 to madcow:

    http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-5...ining-program/

    http://stronglifts.com/madcow-5x5-training-programs/

    I mean thats what Id be comfortable with doing, and itd be an easy transition, so I was thinking of switching over in a 4-8 weeks.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post
    Tell me if these goals seem unreasonable for this cycle:

    Bench starting 210 5x5 ending 315 5x5
    Wide grip pull up starting 35 5x5 ending 90 4x10
    Deadlift starting 225x5 ending 365x5
    Overhead press starting 105 5x5 ending 225 5x5
    Front squat starting 145 5x5 ending 225 5x5
    This is a 16 week cycle test 400 deca 300/week, and that's where I could be, respectively, with progressive load if I had little sticking at any weight. 16 weeks of no sticking would provide a 160 lb increase on bench and deadlift, and the number I'm talking are under that.
    Just rationalizing my previous statement

    Average increases:
    bench is 6.5 lb/week
    wide grip pull up 3.5 lb/week
    deadlift 8.75 lb/week
    overhead press 7.5 lb/week
    front squat 5 lb/week

    Would dropping it to just a 5 lb increase average per week suffice, or just going through the routine with periodic deloading be better? I could even limit it to 5 lb increase per week, and incorporate deloading.

  25. A deload is when you cut the intensity to ~40-50% for 1-2 weeks. A 10% deduction will not exactly be a deload.

    Quick example (I started my deload this week):

    PR on squat 425x2

    Deload
    Squats
    225x3x5

    GHR
    BWx15x3

    Standing Cable Crunches
    100x15x3

    Hypers
    BW+45x15x3

    I still do my assistance lifts, but cut back on the load on them as well. My usual sets of GHR are BW+45x15x5, but what I did was add more TUT and reduce the weight. Adds in a little more hypertrophy without adding CNS strain.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  26. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    A deload is when you cut the intensity to ~40-50% for 1-2 weeks. A 10% deduction will not exactly be a deload.

    Quick example (I started my deload this week):

    PR on squat 425x2

    Deload
    Squats
    225x3x5

    GHR
    BWx15x3

    Standing Cable Crunches
    100x15x3

    Hypers
    BW+45x15x3

    I still do my assistance lifts, but cut back on the load on them as well. My usual sets of GHR are BW+45x15x5, but what I did was add more TUT and reduce the weight. Adds in a little more hypertrophy without adding CNS strain.
    First question: after going back 40-50% for two weeks what weight do you go back to? and its what 6 weeks heavy, 2 weeks deload? This sounds like hst strategic deconditioning...
    2nd question: you use the acronym GHR and TUT - what do they stand for? Not familiar.
    Finally: can I keep to the same routine, and just incorporate deloading?

    Thanks for the help.

  27. while i like the idea of forcing yourself to add more weight at regular intervals, I am also not a fan, because the biggest thing in this game is listening to your body, I have moved away from "x reps for y sets" to "x-y reps for z sets" in my older age, it makes more sense, and somewhat naturally allows for progressively loading yourself higher.
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  28. Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post
    First question: after going back 40-50% for two weeks what weight do you go back to? and its what 6 weeks heavy, 2 weeks deload? This sounds like hst strategic deconditioning...
    2nd question: you use the acronym GHR and TUT - what do they stand for? Not familiar.
    Finally: can I keep to the same routine, and just incorporate deloading?

    Thanks for the help.
    GHR: glute-ham raises
    TUT: time under tension

    With anabolics, a 1 week deload will suffice. If you're going for maximal strength, then you go as heavy as possible. 5x5 is a great program, but strength is not linear and it is not something designed for maximal strength development.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  29. Can you give a sample work out plan of what your talking about? Almost sounds like drop sets? And the only reason I'm still messing with a 5x5 program is because I'm still not lifting much in these key exercises, and I'm trying to get my strength up to par. 5x5 is a good program for getting your strength up quickly, and the weight your putting up goes up and down progressively for what is ultimately a good net gain. I would like to stick with it for at least part of this cycle and get my numbers up higher, but I can see what you're saying about perhaps being better ways, and doing it more naturally.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by smash1904 View Post
    Can you give a sample work out plan of what your talking about? Almost sounds like drop sets? And the only reason I'm still messing with a 5x5 program is because I'm still not lifting much in these key exercises, and I'm trying to get my strength up to par. 5x5 is a good program for getting your strength up quickly, and the weight your putting up goes up and down progressively for what is ultimately a good net gain. I would like to stick with it for at least part of this cycle and get my numbers up higher, but I can see what you're saying about perhaps being better ways, and doing it more naturally.
    I did give you a sample. Drop sets are seldom used and are only on assistance lifts.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys

  

  
 

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