Deca/Test log: version Smash Time
- 03-25-2012, 12:01 AM
- 03-25-2012, 12:08 AM
Originally Posted by fueledpassion
03-25-2012, 12:10 AM
Every day I log I put down weight and strength increases. So far I'm up 4 lbs, which means I've completed 16% of my weight goal, and I'm only two weeks in - have 14 weeks left.Originally Posted by jaderjader321
03-25-2012, 12:55 PM
So my friend is telling me that at 10-12 weeks I should stop the deca, and start up tren ace for the remainder of cycle. I don't know if I'll need to, I have a feeling deca is going to be awesome, and might want to do a test p tren ace for my next cycle. I am thinking of running anavar the last 3 weeks to solidify gains, and to see how I react to test/progestin/dht at the same time.
03-25-2012, 01:06 PM
Maximal strength development is something that very few people understand. It has much less to do with muscle mass than 99% of people think. It is determined primarily by the CNS and technique. That's why you see dude's that are 150 lbs and bench 315 lbs; they understand technique and have an efficient CNS. To quote Louie Simmons, "Big isn't strong; strong is strong."
M.Ed. Ex Phys
03-25-2012, 01:51 PM
I wouldn't run both deca and tren in this cycle, I'd stop the deca 2 weeks before you stop the test though.
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03-25-2012, 08:24 PM
Which is why you are able to get stronger even when you're not gaining weight. But the chemistry in your body is different when your on cycle vs not on cycle, so it would make sense to focus on getting the most mass(lbm) so that in pct you maintain more leverage(strength). If you expect to maintain 80% of your mass, then you could expect to maintain the same strength if its directly proportional.Originally Posted by Rodja
03-26-2012, 04:42 PM
It was just a suggestion he made, I don't think its likely I'd do it. I'm already pretty sure I'm increasing the dose on test, and I could increase the amount of deca I'm taking, but he thinks I'd really like tren.Originally Posted by ManBeast
03-26-2012, 04:53 PM
M.Ed. Ex Phys
03-26-2012, 05:38 PM
But for the purposes of trying to maintain as much strength in pct couldn't it be looked at like the more lbm you acquire and maintain, the less you're strength would dip? It seemed like you were saying to to move away from my 5x5 strength program, and focus more on hypertrophy, which is basically what my friend was telling me.Originally Posted by Rodja
03-26-2012, 05:45 PM
Regarding holding onto strength during PCT, this is something that depends completely on how you train and your CNS recovery abilities.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
03-26-2012, 06:23 PM
Although I wouldnt say I'm a new trainer(having played sports all through school, and fighting afterwards) by no means would I call myself an advanced lifter. I still lift pretty light, didn't have very good weight training programs, and only started deadlifting and squatting last year. Having a program that focuses on lifts like that, and strength, became important to me because I felt I was lacking. It might not be ideal, but it works, and it does get ones numbers up quickly. I know once I stop gaining with it to look to other programs.Originally Posted by Rodja
Last cycle I gained nearly 30 lbs, and my strength gains were crazy. My strength gains stopped in pct, but I didn't really lose any strength either, and my weight stayed about the same. After pct this became problematic because I kept getting stuck when I'd try to increase weight, and when I'd drop 10% I wasn't able to push through. Then I got real sick and lost a lot of weight, and my strength went down. So I dunno if maybe I needed a longer or more aggressive pct, but I didn't have any problems maintaining strength or size during that time - just progress came to a halt.
03-26-2012, 07:39 PM
03-26-2012, 09:22 PM
03-26-2012, 10:53 PM
03-27-2012, 04:34 AM
03-27-2012, 04:55 AM
Started my deload today, felt pretty good. I'd been having some lower back pain since last week, so I felt like it was a good time to start.
Percentages based on weight last lifted:
Overhead press 60(52%) 15-15-13
Front squat 90(60%) 12-12-10
Front squat shrug 90(60%) 20-20-20
I did the shrugs real slow, and keep the weight real low, but I was able to shrug 225 just a couple weeks ago, so don't know if I should keep them heavier?
And I was able to do sets of 20-25 on all my isolation exercises.
I am now dosing test 450mg/week, deca 330mg/week. I also lowered my test p dose to 75mg eod, and that will be until the beginning of next week.
03-27-2012, 04:21 PM
I didn't think to ask before, but when you deload is it 50% of 1rm or of what you were repping? And do you go up in weight with each subsequent workout in a given exercise during deload?
03-27-2012, 05:45 PM
03-27-2012, 06:36 PM
03-27-2012, 07:25 PM
03-27-2012, 09:25 PM
How many sets? Is it really slow speed or something? I mean that seems like almost nothing...Originally Posted by Rodja
03-27-2012, 09:44 PM
03-27-2012, 09:56 PM
03-27-2012, 10:20 PM
So I'm thinking of going from my 5x5 routine to this maybe half way through:
Heavy Lower Body
Medium Lower Body
Light Lower Body
Heavy = 3-6 reps
Medium = 6-9 reps
Light = 10-15 reps
A1 Heavy 3 3-6
A2 Medium 3 6-9
B1 Heavy (A1 continued) 3 3-6
B2 Light 3 10-15
This is based on:
So 6 weeks 5x5, 1 week deload, and then remainder of cycle follow the above program(6-8 weeks).
Thatd be a 60-65 lb increase across the board, which doesn't sound unreasonable in 4 months, or I could switch over right off the bat and I'd have a 30-35 lb increase. This is of course if I don't stick at a weight, any thoughts?
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