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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Jasen View Post
    Tren is very toxic I used tren e and went up to 1000mg a wk for 2.5 wks to see of te myth is right of tren effects ur kidneys.... My ankles doublespeak in size and I have a huge body but I have small ankles. Also my piss was dark on 3gallons of water. Tren is rough best way to explain using tren is like when spiderman became venom, u get stronger everything gets stronger not just strength. But you lose urself in the drug like spiderman did when he put on the venom. I am strong minded so I had little problems but I had weak minded friends who never returned to their old selfs
    tren is bad IMO, the most that should be used is 50mg EOD of ace, so if sides occur, it can clear within 3-4 days...........


  2. Quote Originally Posted by PVL View Post
    tren is bad IMO, the most that should be used is 50mg EOD of ace, so if sides occur, it can clear within 3-4 days...........
    what you mean tren E at 1400 mgs a week isnt a good place to start?lol
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by PVL View Post
    where did you get the idea it was me? lol! dude i would blast and cruise back in the day.........here is an example.........

    tren ace 100mg EOD, test enan 250mg EOD, EQ 200mg EOD

    tren taken for 4 week kicker
    test run for 16 weeks at that dose, same with EQ

    i would run tren ace one to 2 months on, 2 months off, repeat..........taking letro, arim and HCG every 4 months for 2-3 weeks

    anavar 40 mg a day, split dose am and pm
    dbol split dose 60mg, am and PM

    i would run the var for the weeks after tren use, and dbol as well..........

    you gotta do what you gotta do to get huge man, keepin up with the joneses...........

    i was 275-280 at 13-15% eating 7k-8k cals a day and around 500g of protein.............

    stick around some top level national guys wanting a pro card............their doses make mine look like childs play, lol
    You were 275-280 and now your 240 with a target weight of 270? Either you are lazy and don't care about updating your stats, or you are lieing and trying to impress someone that doesn't care. 280 lbs at 6'2" and 13% body fat is what Arnold was in his prime in the off season. You have no Avi pic to prove anything you have said. I'm sorry, and no offense, but I have a really hard time believing anything you say. In fact, I can't even believe I'm wasting my time even responding to this nonsense.

  4. Okay how about this then..

    Can anyone please explain exactly how it is toxic to the liver when its being injected and to what level of toxicity is to be expected?

    Or for that matter please explain why it would be considered toxic when tren is taken orally?
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Okay how about this then..

    Can anyone please explain exactly how it is toxic to the liver when its being injected and to what level of toxicity is to be expected?

    Or for that matter please explain why it would be considered toxic when tren is taken orally?
    Ok now I know Im argueing with sumone that has no business playing with injectables. Dood all steroids are converted in the liver, injs usually take a pass or 2, and orals 2-4 passes, methyls need a lot more werk to be converted in your liver, hence why we all say to only run so much for so long.


    What level of toxicity is entirely up to the user, as they adjust their doses, 400 mgs a week of tren ACE may cripple one and barely have an effect on another. its all about know yourself and self experimentation, based off similars types of peoples real world experiences.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan View Post
    Ok now I know Im argueing with sumone that has no business playing with injectables. Dood all steroids are converted in the liver, injs usually take a pass or 2, and orals 2-4 passes, methyls need a lot more werk to be converted in your liver, hence why we all say to only run so much for so long.


    What level of toxicity is entirely up to the user, as they adjust their doses, 400 mgs a week of tren ACE may cripple one and barely have an effect on another. its all about know yourself and self experimentation, based off similars types of peoples real world experiences.
    thank you, i honestly think most of these guys are talking out of their ass..........and never taken AAS just PHs............

    i mean you need a good connect, and if they are all about PHs then they dont have a connect at ALL!! lol

  7. Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan
    Dood all steroids are converted in the liver, injs usually take a pass or 2, and orals 2-4 passes, methyls need a lot more werk to be converted in your liver,
    Im confused...
    What does injectable testosterone 'convert' to in the liver?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Matthersby View Post
    Im confused...
    What does injectable testosterone 'convert' to in the liver?
    it doesnt convert to anything unless body needs it too, but lets see there aromatization, theres the whole 5a conversion to DHT.... shal I continue

  9. Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan View Post
    Ok now I know Im argueing with sumone that has no business playing with injectables. Dood all steroids are converted in the liver,
    no they dont

    Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan View Post
    injs usually take a pass or 2, and orals 2-4 passes, methyls need a lot more werk to be converted in your liver, hence why we all say to only run so much for so long.
    Oral tren would pose toxicity risk due to it being alkylated in the 17th position.

    Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan View Post
    What level of toxicity is entirely up to the user, as they adjust their doses, 400 mgs a week of tren ACE may cripple one and barely have an effect on another. its all about know yourself and self experimentation, based off similars types of peoples real world experiences.
    Can somewhat agree with this portion of your post. The amount taken and length of time will certainly contribute towards increased toxicity but injectable tren on its own, yes can be toxic but the toxicity is greatly over exaggerated. There is a theory that the elevated enzymes are actually a result of the benzyl alcohol and not the tren itself. But even then this is just a theory as BA as the evidence of BA toxicity comes from trials using absurd amounts. All and all injected tren when used reasonably (In regards to dos amount and length if use) poses very minimal toxicity. There is nothing that I no of that suggest otherwise other then the occasional anecdotal report which is usually sensationalized and/or the result of abuse or stacking with other AAS
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Matthersby View Post
    Im confused...
    What does injectable testosterone 'convert' to in the liver?
    Your not confused. He is

    Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan View Post
    it doesnt convert to anything unless body needs it too, but lets see there aromatization, theres the whole 5a conversion to DHT.... shal I continue
    Tren does not aromatize nor will it convert to DHT (although it does bind strongly with the androgen receptor within skeletal muscle cells, which can cause androgenic traits to appear ( ie: hair loss) but no DHT conversion takes place
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Your not confused. He is



    Tren does not aromatize nor will it convert to DHT (although it does bind strongly with the androgen receptor within skeletal muscle cells, which can cause androgenic traits to appear ( ie: hair loss) but no DHT conversion takes place
    your lost, Mattersby question wuz What does inj. Test convert to in the liver

  12. people all AAS are run thru your liver, inj, oral, cyclo, or transdermal

  13. Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan View Post
    your lost, Mattersby question wuz What does inj. Test convert to in the liver
    Yes and it was a response to your statement that, "all steroids convert in the liver" and in which case you are wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan View Post
    people all AAS are run thru your liver, inj, oral, cyclo, or transdermal
    Oral steroids are absorbed from the GI tract and then pass through the liver before entering the blood. Most oral steroids are chemically modified (to prevent rapid breakdown) by the addition of a group of molecules at the alpha position of the number 17 carbon atom (alkylation) As a result of this, these C-17 alkylated steroids have a greater affect on your liver.

    Injectable steroids are absorbed directly into the blood stream without a first pass through the liver. Yes there are a few injevtable C-17 alkylated steroids that will have a similar hepatic affect as oral ones but the majority of injectable steroids only undergo esterification in the liver and to compare this process to the harsh effects of a oral steroid is naive.


    P.S

    Weren't you the one who claimed to have read all the books I posted earlier? I am confused why I am explaining this to you then since you read those books and should have this understanding already.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Yes and it was a response to your statement that, "all steroids convert in the liver" and in which case you are wrong.

    Not wrong

    Oral steroids are absorbed from the GI tract and then pass through the liver before entering the blood. Most oral steroids are chemically modified (to prevent rapid breakdown) by the addition of a group of molecules at the alpha position of the number 17 carbon atom (alkylation) As a result of this, these C-17 alkylated steroids have a greater affect on your liver.

    Injectable steroids are absorbed directly into the blood stream without a first pass through the liver. Yes there are a few injevtable C-17 alkylated steroids that will have a similar hepatic affect as oral ones but the majority of injectable steroids only undergo esterification in the liver and to compare this process to the harsh effects of a oral steroid is naive.


    P.S

    Weren't you the one who claimed to have read all the books I posted earlier? I am confused why I am explaining this to you then since you read those books and should have this understanding already.
    its nice of you to use quotes and exerps from Willims book, but still wrong all AAS takes a trip thru the liver

  15. Even if injected the body still breaks it down. Just because it is not methyl dosent mean there is no harm. I talked to a med student before, she said even test-e is somewhat toxic because your kidneys have to work through the by producs attached to the testosterone, test suspension would be the most safe AAS. But the dangers of test-e are veryyyyy low which is why they are used trt without much worry
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by Jasen View Post
    Even if injected the body still breaks it down. Just because it is not methyl dosent mean there is no harm. I talked to a med student before, she said even test-e is somewhat toxic because your kidneys have to work through the by producs attached to the testosterone, test suspension would be the most safe AAS. But the dangers of test-e are veryyyyy low which is why they are used trt without much worry
    OOOHHH yea renal damage is way more prevolent in BB world than hepatic. Hell the cleved ester is the smallest part of the issue renaly, its all the other **** you gotta worry about, the creatin levels and **** like that that are elevated during roid use

  18. What ester and what doseage?
    Quote Originally Posted by RH2012 View Post
    ur the f*ckin moron. this stuff has been tested on humans and released as a human drug. i've ran tren several times and had NONE OF THE SIDES ur stating.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan

    it doesnt convert to anything unless body needs it too, but lets see there aromatization, theres the whole 5a conversion to DHT.... shal I continue
    Hey I'm new to this and still learning... Problem is, I thought, unless it's a 19-nor, aromatization occurs in just about every tissue in the body but the liver. And even if I'm misinformed, how does that make it toxic?
    So, the comment about ALL steroids passing through the liver or aromatizing in the liver may cause some disagreements.
    Of course your liver does need to break down and discard all kinds of excess, bi-products and waste, but thats why we have one. It can handle that.
    I have really enjoyed this thread and hope the arguing continues. I'm learning alot.
    Judo-Josh, I'm rooting for you on this one...
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    I think there is a lot of miscommunication in here about what "toxic" is referring to. That's what it sounds like to me, at least.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Matthersby View Post
    Hey I'm new to this and still learning... Problem is, I thought, unless it's a 19-nor, aromatization occurs in just about every tissue in the body but the liver. And even then, how does that make it toxic?
    So, the comment about ALL steroids passing through the liver or aromatizing in the liver may cause some disagreements.
    Of course your liver does need to break down and discard all kinds of excess, bi-products and waste, but thats why we have one. It can handle that.
    I have really enjoyed this thread and hope the arguing continues. I'm learning alot.
    Judo-Josh, I'm rooting for you on this one...
    I just come over here to play, this site has sum people ready to graduate but not many.

    Also dont muddy my statement that All AAS,DS, PHs pass thru the liver, with the actual actions of aromatization.

  22. your running 700mgs of tren ace without sides, a lil hard to believe, but like I have said over and over, Different strokes.
    Quote Originally Posted by RH2012 View Post
    trenbolone acetate. finaplix pellets. 75- 100mg ed if i go over 100mg ed i get slight gyno. the only side i ever experienced besides some hostility which i get from all androgens.

  23. YES< MARGIRINE Is way toxic, that **** is one molecule away from plastic, even bugs dont eat it.
    Quote Originally Posted by RH2012 View Post
    ya food has some nasty byproducts of metabolization. i guess food is toxic. lol

  24. Quote Originally Posted by lyfespan View Post
    its nice of you to use quotes and exerps from Willims book, but still wrong all AAS takes a trip thru the liver
    Please show me where I stated that it wont go through the liver.

    Did you even read my post?

    It stated that " the majority of injectable steroids only undergo esterification in the liver"

    So this statement says injectables do go though your liver right?

    And before this portion of the post I clearly said "Oral steroids are absorbed from the GI tract and then pass through the liver before entering the blood"

    So where did I say it "wouldnt" go through the liver?

    I think you fail to understand my point in all of this. The thread was full of people posting these horror stories on trens toxicity affects (might I add a majority of the post were coming across as if they were definitive facts and as if they were an authority on the matter) I just questioned what everyone was basing these claims off of and listed a couple of great reference material with regards to anabolic and androgen use and pharmacology. No where did I state Tren was not toxic, as all AAS pose some form of toxicity risk in one way or another.

    What I disagree with is the emphatic postings trying to make tren seem like the worst steroid ever created. As I said earlier, yes it will pose some toxicity but when taken via injection the toxicity is really minimal and is often exaggerated. Once again, yes when injected it does pass through the liver (to undergo esterfication) but to compare this process to the harsh effects of a oral steroid is naive.
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