First cycle- Test cyp/EQ/Winny
- 11-26-2010, 09:52 PM
First cycle- Test cyp/EQ/Winny
I'm 22, 5' 8", 165lbs 10%bf and this will my first cycle. I've done 2 ph cycles in the past. I've recently lost a lot of gains due to being sick. I've decided to do a cycle of test cyp,and eq.
Random question that I haven't really found the answers to. I have a bottle to mdrol and trenadrol (ph), was wondering if either could be used to "kickstart" the cycle.
Cycle so far-
Weeks 1-12/Test cyp 600mg/wk
6-12/HCG 500 2x/wk
8-12/Winny Not sure about dose yet
PCT will be nolva/clomid, will have arimadex on hand
- 11-27-2010, 08:27 AM
Since it's your first cycle, I'd back off on the winny. First, it will do you no good at all and second, it will only add to confusion if for some reason you have a bad reaction to the other gear. Equip is over rated and I stopped using it. It didn't help my joints at all but raised my hemocrit over the roof and loaded up my spleen. If it were me, I'd just do the test and forget about the PH. Try it out and see how you react and what test alone does for you. Don't get too happy with the HCG. Drop it down to 250 twice a week. Do you havew an AI on hand? Are you ready for PCT?
- 11-27-2010, 09:08 AM
11-27-2010, 11:05 AM
I stay on and never get off, so I'm not the best person to ask about PCT. Typically, wait two weeks before starting it. I hate to comment about something I really don't have first hand experience with.
12-01-2010, 12:18 PM
its decided. I'm doing
test cyp 500/wk
arimadex/ .25 EOD
PCT with nolva
Still debating on adding a ph the first 4 weeks...
12-01-2010, 10:23 PM
12-03-2010, 04:24 PM
I'd do at least 20....maybe 30. I'm doing 20 now and may bump to 30 for the last two weeks of the kickstart.
I did do 2 20mg cycles of mdrol before so I think I'm at the point where I need to up the dose, tho I dunno if I really want to. Maybe just 30 on workout days.
12-03-2010, 06:40 PM
What made you ditch the Clomid for Nolva? If I had to choose one, I prefer Clomid over Nolva. Unless you're prone to gyno and feel some nipple sensitivity after your cycle. I stack them both for PCT.
I kick started my first cycle (Test-E 500mg/week x 13 weeks) with 4 weeks of Mdrol at 20mg/week. That's where I got all my muscle gains from that cycle. The test only solidified those gains. Strength kept coming, tho.
12-03-2010, 07:43 PM
I might do 20/20/20/20 of mdrol for the kickstart then. Just making sure there's nothing I have to do after the 4 weeks of mdrol are over right? Just contine with my normal cycle?
Also is it ok that I'm doing more eq than test? Its cul my test is does 250mg/ml and eq is 200/ml
12-04-2010, 02:30 AM
600mg of EQ is pretty heavy for a first run.
You would do perfectly fine with 400mg.
Winny at the end is always a good thing. I don't know what you are hesitant about. You want to harden up what you have gained.
I'd kick it with 4 weeks of dbol, or if you have the funds var or tbol.
Other than that, nice cycle.
Save the HCG for your PCT. I don't know anyone (except for some people online) that do HCG during. Throw the clomid in there as well. PCT is just as important as the cycle itself. I don't take chances. HCG, Clomid and Nolva. 4 weeks. Start 2 weeks after your last shot.
Last edited by CCV3; 12-04-2010 at 02:33 AM. Reason: PCT Input
12-04-2010, 06:22 PM
If you do stack the SERMs, you can dose it at:
I agree with CCV3 about dosing. Take the test@500 and the EQ@400. However, I would save the Winny for next time. You're already pushing it by taking two inj. compounds both of which you have no experience with. Most would recommend only test for your first run.
Also, you don't want to take hCG during PCT because it will prevent recovery because your body will not release its own LH until the hCG has cleared your system. It can also cause gyno so watch out for that. Like DetroitHammer said, 250 twice a week for the last 4-6 weeks of your cycle should be fine. You may not even need it at all but you can play it safe. After your last week of injects AAS and hCG, wait two weeks, then go to PCT with Nolva and/or Clomid.
12-04-2010, 06:36 PM
12-09-2010, 03:59 PM
What's a good pinning schedule? I'm trying to keeping pinnin to a min. Just looking for diff opinions. Also what size syringes would be good?
Also to be more specific:
Weeks 1-12 Test cyp 500/ wk
1-12 eq 600/wk
1-4 mdrol 10/10/20/20
4-12 hcg 500/wk
4-12 arimadex .25 eod
Pct with nolva, possibly clomid as well
12-09-2010, 04:01 PM
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12-09-2010, 04:41 PM
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12-09-2010, 06:54 PM
12-09-2010, 06:59 PM
12-09-2010, 07:40 PM
12-12-2010, 09:48 AM
I'm shooting with a 25g, but it is slooooow. I would say a 23 at smallest.
I have aromasin, but will try my 6-bromo first if I notice anything on-cycle....if not then I won't use either.
And after reading a bunch about clomid I'm adding it into my Nolva PCT as well.
I guess thats my only .02!!
I give a f**K!!
12-12-2010, 10:25 AM
If i were you id to
Test C - Weeks 1-12 (500mg)
M-Drol - Weeks 1-4 (20/20/30/30)
Winny - Weeks 9-12 (50mg ED)
A-dex (.25mg EOD IF NEEDED)
Clomid - Weeks 13-16 (100/50/50/25)
Natty Test booster (PCT Assist, HCGenerate, etc)
12-12-2010, 03:58 PM
And Im going to have to agree with everyone. Drop the eq and stick with the test especially first cycle. That should be plenty but I guess the oral is fine to start, and I can't comment on the Winnie because I don't use it.
12-12-2010, 04:23 PM
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how legit do you think my gear looks? it came in today. My buddy ordered it from me from a site thats well known around here, only reason im skeptical is because the site shut down today. the eq is clear and i dont know what the second vial that came with the hcg is. not sure what im supposed to do with it, any help is appreciated.
12-12-2010, 04:30 PM
Just eye-balling the gear doesn't help at all. I mean, it all "looks" good until you inject; then you'll know.
12-12-2010, 04:34 PM
12-12-2010, 05:15 PM
The hCG is powder, as you can see, and comes with NaCl solution (sodium chloride). BAC water is better tho. I got mine on ebay. Not sure if they pulled BAC water from there since, but my source said they were going to.
Looks like you got British Dragon Cyp. Hope its legit. I've heard BD is heavily counterfeited. Probably shoulda stuck with Axio stuff. Unfortunately, you wont find out for weeks. That's how long it took Test E to kick in for me.
Taken from another board:
There isn't a specific ratio of cc/ml to IU. It depends on how you mix it. It's quite simple. If you dillute 5,000 IUs HCG with 5ml (cc) solvent, the end result is 1,000 IUs per ml (cc). Divide the same 5,000 IUs with 10 ml (cc) and the end result is 500 IUs per ml (cc). Therefore, a large part depends on the concentration of HCG per ampoule or vial.
(Items needed: bacwater h20 and some 5ml emty vials).
1) Open hcg/amp with powder
2) Use a syringe to pull out 1cc of BacWater and put in amp with HCG
3) It will instantly dissolve
4) Then Use an empty 5ml vial (sterile and sealed) put 4ml of Bacwater in the vial
5) Take syringe and add the mixed HCG solution to the 5ml vial
6) Shake it and you have 5000IU's of HCG
7) Than draw 1cc and inject
8) put the rest in the refrigerator
•The reason your discarding the amp of solvent cause its made for 1 times use and you wouldn’t be able to refrigerate it and use it a week later again. That’s why you need Bac H2o.
•The most common side affect associated with HCG is gynecomastia. The concurrent intake of Nolvadex with HCG prevents gynecomastia, prevents/minimizes leydig cell desensitization and contiues the stimulation of pituitary LH once HCG has been discontinued.
•HCG will last approximately 30 days if mixed with Bac h2o instead of the solvent it comes with.
•You can keep the mixed hcg in vial or pins In the fridge till use
And yeah, Axio/GenXXL got busted.
12-12-2010, 05:23 PM
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12-13-2010, 05:49 PM
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12-13-2010, 10:11 PM
12-13-2010, 11:16 PM
12-13-2010, 11:27 PM
yes my advice is reckless, its pretty far to the right
and its not like you have to listen to my advice either, i jus speak my opinion based on experience. im not trying to start something im jus simply stating my viewpoint lol
12-14-2010, 10:18 PM
12-14-2010, 11:29 PM
first 4 weeks depends. if ur goal is pure mass (muscle+fat) than take mdrol or dbol.
if ur gonna try and "lean"bulk or recomp wit this cycle do hdrol/epi bridge or something like that.
if ur gonna try and cut or just dry out from the test/eq and all the bloat than 6weeks winstrol 50mg/day thruout or anavar ($ dependent)
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