First cycle- Test cyp/EQ/Winny

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  1. First cycle- Test cyp/EQ/Winny


    I'm 22, 5' 8", 165lbs 10%bf and this will my first cycle. I've done 2 ph cycles in the past. I've recently lost a lot of gains due to being sick. I've decided to do a cycle of test cyp,and eq.
    Random question that I haven't really found the answers to. I have a bottle to mdrol and trenadrol (ph), was wondering if either could be used to "kickstart" the cycle.

    Cycle so far-
    Weeks 1-12/Test cyp 600mg/wk
    1-12/EQ 500mg/wk
    6-12/HCG 500 2x/wk
    8-12/Winny Not sure about dose yet

    PCT will be nolva/clomid, will have arimadex on hand
    Any suggestions?


  2. Since it's your first cycle, I'd back off on the winny. First, it will do you no good at all and second, it will only add to confusion if for some reason you have a bad reaction to the other gear. Equip is over rated and I stopped using it. It didn't help my joints at all but raised my hemocrit over the roof and loaded up my spleen. If it were me, I'd just do the test and forget about the PH. Try it out and see how you react and what test alone does for you. Don't get too happy with the HCG. Drop it down to 250 twice a week. Do you havew an AI on hand? Are you ready for PCT?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    Since it's your first cycle, I'd back off on the winny. First, it will do you no good at all and second, it will only add to confusion if for some reason you have a bad reaction to the other gear. Equip is over rated and I stopped using it. It didn't help my joints at all but raised my hemocrit over the roof and loaded up my spleen. If it were me, I'd just do the test and forget about the PH. Try it out and see how you react and what test alone does for you. Don't get too happy with the HCG. Drop it down to 250 twice a week. Do you havew an AI on hand? Are you ready for PCT?
    Yeah def still debating the winny, I was shooting for 15lbs at least on this cycle, would that be achievable with test/eq? Good info on the hcg, and I have arimadex on hand and PCT will be a combination of nolva/clomid, still debating dose. I've never used both in conjunction with one another, any suggestions?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by imasleep View Post
    Yeah def still debating the winny, I was shooting for 15lbs at least on this cycle, would that be achievable with test/eq? Good info on the hcg, and I have arimadex on hand and PCT will be a combination of nolva/clomid, still debating dose. I've never used both in conjunction with one another, any suggestions?
    If you're doing 600mg of test, then yes, 15lbs is reasonable, assuming your diet and training are on spot. I don't know what you can get your hands on, but if you could, I'd replace the equip with injectable dbol and use that in conjunction with test the first half of your cycle. Then I'd stay with test the rest of the way. I think you'll find equip to be a disappointment.

    I stay on and never get off, so I'm not the best person to ask about PCT. Typically, wait two weeks before starting it. I hate to comment about something I really don't have first hand experience with.

  5. its decided. I'm doing
    test cyp 500/wk
    eq 600/wk
    arimadex/ .25 EOD
    HCG 500/wk

    PCT with nolva

    Still debating on adding a ph the first 4 weeks...
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by imasleep View Post
    its decided. I'm doing
    test cyp 500/wk
    eq 600/wk
    arimadex/ .25 EOD
    HCG 500/wk

    PCT with nolva

    Still debating on adding a ph the first 4 weeks...
    thinking first 4 weeks with mdrol 10/10/10/10...what say you?

  7. I'd do at least 20....maybe 30. I'm doing 20 now and may bump to 30 for the last two weeks of the kickstart.

    I did do 2 20mg cycles of mdrol before so I think I'm at the point where I need to up the dose, tho I dunno if I really want to. Maybe just 30 on workout days.

  8. What made you ditch the Clomid for Nolva? If I had to choose one, I prefer Clomid over Nolva. Unless you're prone to gyno and feel some nipple sensitivity after your cycle. I stack them both for PCT.

    I kick started my first cycle (Test-E 500mg/week x 13 weeks) with 4 weeks of Mdrol at 20mg/week. That's where I got all my muscle gains from that cycle. The test only solidified those gains. Strength kept coming, tho.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by thapr3dat0r View Post
    What made you ditch the Clomid for Nolva? If I had to choose one, I prefer Clomid over Nolva. Unless you're prone to gyno and feel some nipple sensitivity after your cycle. I stack them both for PCT.

    I kick started my first cycle (Test-E 500mg/week x 13 weeks) with 4 weeks of Mdrol at 20mg/week. That's where I got all my muscle gains from that cycle. The test only solidified those gains. Strength kept coming, tho.
    I usually get nip sensitivity that's why I chose nolva...you think ik should use nolva and clommid? How would I dose that?

    I might do 20/20/20/20 of mdrol for the kickstart then. Just making sure there's nothing I have to do after the 4 weeks of mdrol are over right? Just contine with my normal cycle?
    Also is it ok that I'm doing more eq than test? Its cul my test is does 250mg/ml and eq is 200/ml

  10. 600mg of EQ is pretty heavy for a first run.
    You would do perfectly fine with 400mg.

    Winny at the end is always a good thing. I don't know what you are hesitant about. You want to harden up what you have gained.

    I'd kick it with 4 weeks of dbol, or if you have the funds var or tbol.

    Other than that, nice cycle.

    Save the HCG for your PCT. I don't know anyone (except for some people online) that do HCG during. Throw the clomid in there as well. PCT is just as important as the cycle itself. I don't take chances. HCG, Clomid and Nolva. 4 weeks. Start 2 weeks after your last shot.
    Last edited by CCV3; 12-04-2010 at 02:33 AM. Reason: PCT Input

  11. Quote Originally Posted by imasleep View Post
    I usually get nip sensitivity that's why I chose nolva...you think ik should use nolva and clommid? How would I dose that?

    I might do 20/20/20/20 of mdrol for the kickstart then. Just making sure there's nothing I have to do after the 4 weeks of mdrol are over right? Just contine with my normal cycle?
    Also is it ok that I'm doing more eq than test? Its cul my test is does 250mg/ml and eq is 200/ml
    I use to always get nip sensitivity on oral cycles like Tren, E-Stane and Mdrol. When I did test only, I did not. Since this is your first inj. cycle, you probably wanna play it by ear. If you don't have any estrogen issues, I would run only the Clomid. That's just me tho. Only because Nolva effects my libido and Clomid brings me back faster.

    If you do stack the SERMs, you can dose it at:
    Clomid: 50/50/50/50
    Nolva: 20/20/20/20

    I agree with CCV3 about dosing. Take the [email protected] and the [email protected] However, I would save the Winny for next time. You're already pushing it by taking two inj. compounds both of which you have no experience with. Most would recommend only test for your first run.

    Also, you don't want to take hCG during PCT because it will prevent recovery because your body will not release its own LH until the hCG has cleared your system. It can also cause gyno so watch out for that. Like DetroitHammer said, 250 twice a week for the last 4-6 weeks of your cycle should be fine. You may not even need it at all but you can play it safe. After your last week of injects AAS and hCG, wait two weeks, then go to PCT with Nolva and/or Clomid.

  12. IME ditch the EQ

    its not all its cracked up to be

  13. What's a good pinning schedule? I'm trying to keeping pinnin to a min. Just looking for diff opinions. Also what size syringes would be good?

    Also to be more specific:
    Weeks 1-12 Test cyp 500/ wk
    1-12 eq 600/wk
    1-4 mdrol 10/10/20/20
    4-12 hcg 500/wk
    4-12 arimadex .25 eod

    Pct with nolva, possibly clomid as well

  14. Quote Originally Posted by imasleep View Post
    What's a good pinning schedule? I'm trying to keeping pinnin to a min. Just looking for diff opinions. Also what size syringes would be good?
    just pin mon / thurs or days split up liek 4 days apart

    all my syringes are 3 ml

  15. 18 to draw, 22 or 23 gauge to inject

  16. But can I put the eq/test/hcg all into one shot/ twice a week? So 2 pins a week?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by imasleep View Post
    But can I put the eq/test/hcg all into one shot/ twice a week? So 2 pins a week?
    mix eq and test

    hcg is shot sub q with a slin pin

  18. Quote Originally Posted by GeekPoop View Post
    IME ditch the EQ

    its not all its cracked up to be
    Couldn't agree more. All you'll notice is elevated hemocrit and you don't want that.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by imasleep View Post
    But can I put the eq/test/hcg all into one shot/ twice a week? So 2 pins a week?
    Haven't done much research on the hCG, have you?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by thapr3dat0r View Post
    Haven't done much research on the hCG, have you?
    I haven't done much research on injecting period. I don't start my cycle for another two months so I'm doing that now

  21. Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer View Post
    Couldn't agree more. All you'll notice is elevated hemocrit and you don't want that.
    yeah i been using for a while and idk... wont use again / wouldnt reccomend

    Quote Originally Posted by imasleep View Post
    I haven't done much research on injecting period. I don't start my cycle for another two months so I'm doing that now
    it pretty simple, just remember to aspirate

  22. Yeah.so hcg subq in the abs?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by imasleep View Post
    Yeah.so hcg subq in the abs?
    You can shoot a sub Q any place you want.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by imasleep View Post
    What's a good pinning schedule? I'm trying to keeping pinnin to a min. Just looking for diff opinions. Also what size syringes would be good?

    Also to be more specific:
    Weeks 1-12 Test cyp 500/ wk
    1-12 eq 600/wk
    1-4 mdrol 10/10/20/20
    4-12 hcg 500/wk
    4-12 arimadex .25 eod

    Pct with nolva, possibly clomid as well
    Mon and fri I do 250 of test e, and wed do the 300 of deca, rotating both shoulders and ass cheeks.

    I'm shooting with a 25g, but it is slooooow. I would say a 23 at smallest.

    I have aromasin, but will try my 6-bromo first if I notice anything on-cycle....if not then I won't use either.

    And after reading a bunch about clomid I'm adding it into my Nolva PCT as well.

    I guess thats my only .02!!
    True story:

    I give a f**K!!

  25. If i were you id to

    Test C - Weeks 1-12 (500mg)
    M-Drol - Weeks 1-4 (20/20/30/30)
    Winny - Weeks 9-12 (50mg ED)
    A-dex (.25mg EOD IF NEEDED)

    Clomid - Weeks 13-16 (100/50/50/25)
    Natty Test booster (PCT Assist, HCGenerate, etc)
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