[AlexParty]

Originally Posted by celc5

I was under the impression that most actually increase total daily calories on the CKD/AD diet. Maybe I'm wrong? I've never ran it myself cause I love my carbs

I don't get those diets anyways, you need carbs in your diet when losing weight or even cutting, just not so much. No carb diets are insane, that's why women are always moody lol j/k

[EasyEJL]

Originally Posted by AlexParty

you need carbs in your diet when losing weight or even cutting

for what? Not truly a requirement for any bodily processes. protein is and fat is.

[AlexParty]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

for what? Not truly a requirement for any bodily processes. protein is and fat is.

Without any carbs you'll be a walking zombie, try hitting the gym with only 100g of carbs a day. It's tough, when losing weight you can still incorporate carbs early on during the day to have some type of energy level. I couldn't possibly imagine hitting the gym without any carbs in me. If I was on a strict weight loss I wouldn't eat carbs after 7pm. My point is you can still lose weight with a considerable amount of carbs per day.

[EasyEJL]

Originally Posted by AlexParty

Without any carbs you'll be a walking zombie, try hitting the gym with only 100g of carbs a day. It's tough, when losing weight you can still incorporate carbs early on during the day to have some type of energy level. I couldn't possibly imagine hitting the gym without any carbs in me. If I was on a strict weight loss I wouldn't eat carbs after 7pm. My point is you can still lose weight with a considerable amount of carbs per day.

I haven't had 100g of carbs in a day more than a couple times in over a year... No physical necessity for it. Most days below 50g. I work out first thing in the morning too, and usually its just a quick couple eggs before workout.

[KingMeso]

Originally Posted by AlexParty

Without any carbs you'll be a walking zombie, try hitting the gym with only 100g of carbs a day. It's tough, when losing weight you can still incorporate carbs early on during the day to have some type of energy level. I couldn't possibly imagine hitting the gym without any carbs in me. If I was on a strict weight loss I wouldn't eat carbs after 7pm. My point is you can still lose weight with a considerable amount of carbs per day.

I'm with Easy. From my experience, and for me personally, carbs (whether simple or complex) aren't necessary at all. Everyone is different, so this is all from my experience.

I have just as much energy if I take in carbs or not. I think people think they need carbs because when they first cut them out, it does shock the body and can make you feel lethargic (of course, changing anything in your diet or daily routine can do this).

Actually, when I am on very little to no carbs, I have felt stronger in the gym and still make strength gains.

[OCCFan023]

Im at a total of 7 grams of carbs a day. My body has effectively transitioned into using ketone's for fuel. I also don't eat anything prior to lifting. My lifts have suffered quite a bit but I am not training for exercise performance with a CKD, its purely fat loss. I am still up in the air if I will ever do it again (I don't think I will have to though once I get to the bf I want to be at) but it certainly can be instigated effectively.

However for gaining size and strength I need my quality carbohydrates.

[Nitrox]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

I haven't had 100g of carbs in a day more than a couple times in over a year... No physical necessity for it.

Here's where I don't get the argument. Just because carbs are not 'necessary' does not mean that they are not beneficial. The human body is very adaptable to optimize survival; it can do without a lot for some time by throttling different processes. I fail to see why people opt to run their bodies in one adaptive mode (e.g. ketosis) or another.

Additionally, many micronutrients are common to certain macros. Eliminating carbs also means limiting those types of micronutrients that may or not be limiting biological processes.

[EasyEJL]

it definitely makes it easier for me to control bodyfat loss. You are definitely free to feel how you feel about it, but in my personal experience for my body + chemistry system, a lower carb diet at same protein g and same total calories works better for fat loss than a lowered fat diet.

[Nitrox]

Originally Posted by KingMeso

I'm with Easy. From my experience, and for me personally, carbs (whether simple or complex) aren't necessary at all. Everyone is different, so this is all from my experience.

I don't buy the 'everyone is different argument.' Barring illnesses and ailments, everyone has the same fundamental biological proccesses. Of course some may have different rates, sensitivities, and of course lifestyles. So IMO this should be an argument of more carbs or less carbs, not carbs or no carbs.

Anyhow I think there is more than enough info in this thread for people to make an educated choice. The one thing that nobody has mentioned in all this is the psychological dimension to making these types of choices. Sometimes, no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary we will take the other path. For example look at the two most popular forums on this board: supplements and steroids. They are 5+ times more active than other on-topic forums. Who thinks those are the two most important aspects of fitness? Food for thought...

[AlexParty]

So with 50g of cabs a day, someone else even said 7g!! you don't find that your energy levels are low??

What if you guys are trying to gain muscle? Surely you'll need to adopt a high carb diet along with your protein and fats?

[EasyEJL]

the low energy levels last the first week or two of getting used to it. after that, its back to normal.

[AlexParty]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

the low energy levels last the first week or two of getting used to it. after that, its back to normal.

When cutting I'm definitely going to try 50g or less carbs. I know the first few weeks are hard to adjust to but, like everything else, you get use to it. How many calories are consuming in one day?

[OCCFan023]

If I'm gaining LBM I will go as high as 400 grams of carbs a day. I am currently at 2600 calories a day (216 grams of fat and rest is protein) with a every 6th day 4400 calorie day with 800 grams of carbs. Personally like I said before I doubt I will ever do a keto diet again (mainly for lack of training production, being at a constant low bf, and also the use of AP + P-Slin.)

[EasyEJL]

I'm taking in about 2000 right now give or take, with around 180g of protein, and basically all carbs are trace or from leafy greens like spinach or cruiciferous veggies. plenty of days i bet I don't break 30g. I don't get anal about counting those as even for a full cup of broccoli its a whopping 4g of carbs. Spinach even funnier, a full cup has 1g of carbs but also 1g of fiber, so a net of 0. The rest of my diet is made up in fats, mostly healthy fats. 12g of fish oil, 30g of Udos, 5g of sesamin, the rest a mix of coconut + olive oil, or what is naturally in the proteins. So I generally get 3 egg yolks worth of fat, plus what is on chicken, beef, etc I eat thru the day.