[AlexParty]

Originally Posted by Kevf

combining your carbs with protein will get you a way better 'spike' than just carbs.

Ya I use to just down carbs but I added like 40g of protein to my carbs. I want my carbs to be higher though for a post shake. I recently bought post workout by Muscle Asylum... love the flavor and benefits, but over priced for the amount, wont buy it again because of the $$$ but great product.

[Nitrox]

Originally Posted by Kevf

combining your carbs with protein will get you a way better 'spike' than just carbs.

You will get a larger spike by taking the calories contributed from the protein and just replacing them with the equivalent in more dextrose.

That said, I think it's better to focus on providing your body with appropriate calories and macros not spiking insulin. Have you ever seen any methods on how you actually measure your insulin? You can't without a lab.

[Nitrox]

Originally Posted by AlexParty

80g of Post workout maltodextrin wont give you type 2 diabetes will it? It's right after your workout and none of it gets stored. If you took that at night or something I can understand. If this is the case I'm paranoid now, I only get 60g but still.

Sorry to say but just because it's PWO doesn't mean that you can eat everything in sight and none will get stored as fat. A workout will create a finite energy deficit and if you exceed it, the surplus will go into storage. If you're a big guy you can get away with more, less if you're slight.

[AlexParty]

Originally Posted by Nitrox

Sorry to say but just because it's PWO doesn't mean that you can eat everything in sight and none will get stored as fat. A workout will create a finite energy deficit and if you exceed it, the surplus will go into storage. If you're a big guy you can get away with more, less if you're slight.

I'm talking about a simple carb like Malto, it's not going to be stored after a post workout man, 80gs I admit is a lot, I only take 60 at most and that's directly after my workout, your body needs that especially if you had a heavy workout. I supplement with 40g of protein with the malto. I don't think it's possible for any of it to be stored as fat, read enough articles about this.

[lector606]

Originally Posted by AlexParty

I'm talking about a simple carb like Malto, it's not going to be stored after a post workout man, 80gs I admit is a lot, I only take 60 at most and that's directly after my workout, your body needs that especially if you had a heavy workout. I supplement with 40g of protein with the malto. I don't think it's possible for any of it to be stored as fat, read enough articles about this.

I am confused, why would you need to have 60 grams of malto? Do you have another event/training session within a couple of hours, or in a short enough time frame that you need to replenish glycogen right away?

[AlexParty]

Originally Posted by lector606

you need to replenish glycogen right away?

that's why

[AlexParty]

People have different methods, I'm not telling anyone what to do. Do what you think is right for you, that's all. I'm an athlete, play AAA soccer so it's needed.

[celc5]

What are everyone's thoughts on Vitargo and Vitargo knock offs? The feedback seems pretty good but it's difficult to tell if that's just from the supposed feeling of insulin spike or if it's truely beneficial.

Personally, I just take in 40g whey and 40g of whatever carbs I can get my hands on to keep my macro ratios.

[AlexParty]

Originally Posted by celc5

What are everyone's thoughts on Vitargo and Vitargo knock offs? The feedback seems pretty good but it's difficult to tell if that's just from the supposed feeling of insulin spike or if it's truely beneficial.

Personally, I just take in 40g whey and 40g of whatever carbs I can get my hands on to keep my macro ratios.

You're talking about right after a workout?

[celc5]

Originally Posted by AlexParty

You're talking about right after a workout?

Yup, I guess I should have said that

[beebab]

Originally Posted by lector606

Bananas are like my favourite pre and post workout foods. They're great. Then again I don't buy all this take-80g-sugar-give-yourself-type-two-diabetes post workout cocktail stuff so I might not be the most appropriate person to listen to if you believe spiking your insulin post-workout is important.

hahahahahaha that's my quote of the day bro. I used to buy into all this PWO nutrition hype when I first started lifting. But that was eons ago. Now, I eat a wholesome nutritious delicious meal of real food roughly an hour before my workout, my workouts are about an hour, then soon afterward I have a small snack of carbs and some protein to hold me over til an hour or so later, when I have another wholesome nutritious delicious meal of real food, all with the appropriate number of macros for my body type.....

I don't feel bloated at all come PWO, like I once did binging on whey and oats. Instead of that antiquated, old-school meal I have about 12 oz of orange juice with a scoop of whey which yields me about 40 grams carbs, 20 grams protein. OR I may have a cup of yogurt with whey mixed in. Either or satisfies me just enough until my next meal. And I progress just fine.

[jsp0882]

Originally Posted by ono

Is a banana (well 2 in my case) enough to cause an insulin spike after training?


I know it's full of sugar but a banana is medium on the GI index.


I know maltodextrin and dextrose would most likely to be better, but was just wondering if 2 bananas would suffice?

Cheers.

i think waxy maize is great for post work out.

[AlexParty]

Originally Posted by celc5

Yup, I guess I should have said that

I think that's perfectly fine. As long as it's fast carbs like maltodextrin. I usually have 60g of malto but 40g is fine too.

[msucurt]

jimminy crickets.....as long as u eat properly throughout the day, this whole PWO window is bogus. After working out, you have totally depleted your glycogen stores.....sorry, it just isnt going to happen (unless u run a triathlon for your cardio).

when I get through lifting for an hour, i simply go home, eat something like this.....pick one

1. scoop of whey / gatorade
2. scoop of whey / banana or 2
3. tuna / OJ
4. whey / OJ
5. chicken breast / rice
6. basically, just eat about 40g of protein with about 20 - 40g carbs, and you will be fine.

chill out

[OpKang101]

Originally Posted by ono

Is a banana (well 2 in my case) enough to cause an insulin spike after training?


I know it's full of sugar but a banana is medium on the GI index.


I know maltodextrin and dextrose would most likely to be better, but was just wondering if 2 bananas would suffice?

Cheers.

its a simple sugar, and btw insulin spike depending on what your bodybuilding goals are, may be what you need anyway
(hence the reason why people take dextrose pre and post workout)

plus the potassium in bananas are good.
if anything i would use simpler sugars immediately post workout

and 30 minutes afterwards, eat some good ole long grain brown rice or oats

[AlexParty]

Originally Posted by msucurt

jimminy crickets.....as long as u eat properly throughout the day, this whole PWO window is bogus. After working out, you have totally depleted your glycogen stores....

You obviously eat throughout the day but the PWO window is not bogus, if anything it's one of the first things you learn about weight training. This article is amazing in explaining the full benefits of consuming fast carbs PWO.

"Finally, another important factor to consider is the timing of this meal. It is absolutely crucial that you consume your post-workout meal immediately after exercise. As indicated above, after exercise, the muscles are depleted and require an abundance of protein and carbohydrate. In addition, during this time, the muscles are biochemically "primed" for nutrient uptake. This phenomenon is commonly known as the "window of opportunity". Over the course of the recovery period, this window gradually closes and by failing to eat immediately after exercise, you diminish your chances of promoting full recovery. To illustrate how quickly this window closes, research has shown that consuming a post-exercise meal immediately after working out is superior to consuming one only 1 hour later. In addition, consuming one 1 hour later is superior to consuming one 3 hours later (Tipton et al 2001, Levenhagen et al 2001). If you wait too long, glycogen replenishment and protein repair will be compromised."

It better explains this if you read under "Feeding Hungry Muscles".


http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...importance.htm