Velocity diet vs Intermittent/Alternating Day Fasting
- 03-11-2008, 09:27 PM
Velocity diet vs Intermittent/Alternating Day Fasting
Which makes more sense? staying at 1200-1500 cal a day workout + non workout days, or taking in normal cals workout days (call it 3000) and NOTHING the alternate days. or the intermittent variations, always having a breakfast, but on non workout days having nothing else, and on all days no food after 6pm (but on the workout days hitting normal cals before 6)
Theres not much in science to support any of them really, but wondering about people who have tried them. I'm doing a velocity diet type, but including some solids. Still things like low fat turkey breast slices, etc so the macros + total cals are staying right.Animis Rep
- 03-11-2008, 09:40 PM
Going to low cals means you will definetly lose LBM.
1 LB of fat can only lose approximately 31 calories a day....
- 03-11-2008, 09:42 PM
well given the amount of fat I still have left, i'm still safe at that as i'm still at around 30lbs of fat on me.Animis Rep
03-11-2008, 10:25 PM
Your thread title might as well read,
Roseanne Barr Vs Rosie O'Donnell
There are better roads to take than either one of those.
03-11-2008, 10:29 PM
Name one Its not a challenge so much as i'd like to hear the answer
03-11-2008, 10:53 PM
03-11-2008, 11:02 PM
03-11-2008, 11:12 PM
I think the IF approach would be better given the cyclic nature of it. If you go with option 2, it appears your cals are too low and you will most likely stall out and lose LBM.
Also, there is some research supporting IF. In your situation IF might be better... Perhaps not IF in the strictest sense, but more of a PSMF type approach. There is a whole thread discussing this approach over at Mind & Muscle which has been getting some play lately. They even review Alan's take on it....I know he's not keen on the idea, but it does have some merit, in my opinion.
03-12-2008, 08:11 AM
Yeah, thats more or less what i've done over the last year. Under 75g of carbs non workout days, rarely more than 125 on workout days, at least 200g / day of protein, remainder in mostly healthy fats (some less healthy fats in meats). with no purposeful carb ups. just progress has seemed slower as I got closer, and so i've decided to short term ratchet it up a notch.
I know one of the particular reasons to NOT use either of those methods (VD or IF) is that it doesn't build the long term habits of how you need to eat for the next x years of your life. At this point tho, i've built those. I just want abs for swimming season, and in florida that is starting the end of this month
03-12-2008, 08:31 AM
Aragons advice sounds sensible.
You can also trial your 2 options as well EASYJL. Try one out for a week or 2, try the other out. Your head and body might prefer one over another.
03-12-2008, 10:06 AM
I've been doing the velocity for a full week now. Its not too bad really. I think the IF might make for slightly better workouts, but i'm not sure if it makes that much difference. today I was right on border of 188-189, so I only have 8-10lbs to go. Given that last wed I weight 196, I could be there in just about a week at current rate, which is freakish
03-12-2008, 10:11 AM
Oh no you are running out of pounds to lose. You might not have enough to spare to trial IF. I wish I was running out in a similar fashion
03-12-2008, 10:23 AM
its been a long hard 14-15 months
the only reason i'm doing this now is that since I did a few short bulks in the middle, i didn't get to seeing abs yet. The bulks were each in their own way a mistake, but learning mistakes.
03-12-2008, 10:28 AM
03-12-2008, 10:32 AM
well, because for each I wasn't really lean enough to be easily able to watch how much fat I gained while gaining muscle. the last one was far better, but on one I think I got about 50/50 fat and muscle.
I think it would have been simpler had I just gotten down to the definition level I want to stay at first, and then started on lean bulks
03-12-2008, 11:22 AM
1) I fast from midnight - 5pm, then eat my calories from 5pm-midnight
2) Fasting is relatively easy, nothing too hard for me with not eating.
3) Fasted workouts are AWESOME. I have more energy and lift harder and lift more on a fasted workout. (i supplement GMS, yohimbine, caffeine, creatine on workout days)
4) Strength is up.
5) Ive lost approx 5lbs. If i would eat just a little cleaner on the weekends, im sure i would lose a little more.
6) makes my life easier. No more planning 5 meals a day....when to eat...what to eat....timing preworkout meals...blah blah blah....sometimes people are extremely busy and just cant organize this stuff CONSISTENLY for months at a time. It is easy to organize meals for a week, but how consistent are u for months on end? hmmm.
03-12-2008, 11:25 AM
03-12-2008, 11:30 AM
Basically...just try to eat healthy or somewhat healthy. You get the idea.
03-12-2008, 01:45 PM
easy ive been playing with a modified velocity diet myself. Im trying to find the right mix. What ive been going with the past week is 3 ON brand shakes w/ water during the work day, every three hours. I teach so im done with work around 2. When i get home i mix in turkey brest/chicken/ or something similar. pre work out shake around 5...post shake after. a few hours later ill try either chicken/turkey or some cottage cheese. My weight loss has been stalled so im trying something/ANYTHING different. im down about 60 since sept, with good muscle gain. let me know when you find the "perfect" solution so we can market it.
03-12-2008, 01:48 PM
What sort of calorie range you hitting? I'm using the diet tracker here, been from 1000-1500 a day now for a week, down just about 7-8 lbs
03-12-2008, 02:06 PM
im hitting around the same range but towards the lower part of it id say around 1200. If i can stay away from the natural peanut butter. My body is very card sensitve so the only carbs i get come from the shakes and cc. Im around 270 now...and i know thats extremely low to be at to retain my muscle mass. But i supplement with bcaa's, creatine, and all the usual suspects. all my lifts continue to go up so i guess somethings working out. Im at that wall point though cause the scale isn't moving. I guess my muscle is holding strong though. im starting dcp/leviathan with it next week and mixing drive back in with my rpm
03-12-2008, 03:20 PM
I think that IF is fine for some people, but not for all people. I'd say that only a minority of the fitness/bodybuilding population would do well with it.
For those who like to read, here's my IF article:
An Objective Look at Intermittent Fasting - AlanAragon.com
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