[EasyEJL]

Which makes more sense? staying at 1200-1500 cal a day workout + non workout days, or taking in normal cals workout days (call it 3000) and NOTHING the alternate days. or the intermittent variations, always having a breakfast, but on non workout days having nothing else, and on all days no food after 6pm (but on the workout days hitting normal cals before 6)

Theres not much in science to support any of them really, but wondering about people who have tried them. I'm doing a velocity diet type, but including some solids. Still things like low fat turkey breast slices, etc so the macros + total cals are staying right.

[CryingEmo]

Going to low cals means you will definetly lose LBM.

1 LB of fat can only lose approximately 31 calories a day....

[EasyEJL]

well given the amount of fat I still have left, i'm still safe at that as i'm still at around 30lbs of fat on me.

[alan aragon]

Hey Easy,

Your thread title might as well read,

Roseanne Barr Vs Rosie O'Donnell

There are better roads to take than either one of those.

[EasyEJL]

Name one Its not a challenge so much as i'd like to hear the answer

[alan aragon]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

Name one Its not a challenge so much as i'd like to hear the answer

The usual suspects...

-- Maintain a weekly caloric deficit, keep the bulk of existing carbs near training
-- Get enough protein
-- Do carb-ups only as/if needed
-- Get 6-7 tons of patience & consistency.

Best way I can put it for now. Gotta go get me some food.

[warnerve]

Originally Posted by alan aragon

Hey Easy,

Your thread title might as well read,

Roseanne Barr Vs Rosie O'Donnell

There are better roads to take than either one of those.

roseanne all the way

what is your favorite diet for losing fat and retaining muscle alan? You are pretty much the go to guy on diet, so I'd love to hear it

[lethaljd]

I think the IF approach would be better given the cyclic nature of it. If you go with option 2, it appears your cals are too low and you will most likely stall out and lose LBM.

Also, there is some research supporting IF. In your situation IF might be better... Perhaps not IF in the strictest sense, but more of a PSMF type approach. There is a whole thread discussing this approach over at Mind & Muscle which has been getting some play lately. They even review Alan's take on it....I know he's not keen on the idea, but it does have some merit, in my opinion.

[EasyEJL]

Originally Posted by alan aragon

The usual suspects...

-- Maintain a weekly caloric deficit, keep the bulk of existing carbs near training
-- Get enough protein
-- Do carb-ups only as/if needed
-- Get 6-7 tons of patience & consistency.

Best way I can put it for now. Gotta go get me some food.

Do you have a source for that bulk patience cheap? I've looked for years....

Yeah, thats more or less what i've done over the last year. Under 75g of carbs non workout days, rarely more than 125 on workout days, at least 200g / day of protein, remainder in mostly healthy fats (some less healthy fats in meats). with no purposeful carb ups. just progress has seemed slower as I got closer, and so i've decided to short term ratchet it up a notch.

I know one of the particular reasons to NOT use either of those methods (VD or IF) is that it doesn't build the long term habits of how you need to eat for the next x years of your life. At this point tho, i've built those. I just want abs for swimming season, and in florida that is starting the end of this month

[methodice]

Aragons advice sounds sensible.

You can also trial your 2 options as well EASYJL. Try one out for a week or 2, try the other out. Your head and body might prefer one over another.

[EasyEJL]

I've been doing the velocity for a full week now. Its not too bad really. I think the IF might make for slightly better workouts, but i'm not sure if it makes that much difference. today I was right on border of 188-189, so I only have 8-10lbs to go. Given that last wed I weight 196, I could be there in just about a week at current rate, which is freakish

[methodice]

Oh no you are running out of pounds to lose. You might not have enough to spare to trial IF. I wish I was running out in a similar fashion

[EasyEJL]

its been a long hard 14-15 months

the only reason i'm doing this now is that since I did a few short bulks in the middle, i didn't get to seeing abs yet. The bulks were each in their own way a mistake, but learning mistakes.

[methodice]

Why were your bulks mistakes?