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    The Truth About Wheat...


    Looking for an open discussion on wheat. Seems like a topic often debated and was just seeking opinions. I eat a ton of wheat with breads, pastas, cereals, ect

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    I could care less about studies saying its good/bad. Lean meats, whole grains, and healthy fats are a staple of my diet. I was raised on it and I shall continue.
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    I suggest bringing this up with OrganicShadow + JudoJosh. I bet they would have some very interesting input.
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    Re: The Truth About Wheat...


    Que¿ me no abla ingles sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
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    I would recommend going gluten free for a month.

    I'm Eastern European and grew up eating wheat products with every meal of the day. I heard about paleo diet (caveman diet) and did the 30 day challenge and seem energy levels rose, less joint pain, and a lot less bloat. Even if you can handle gluten it is harsh on the lining of your digestive system.

    Try a week without gluten and I guarantee you you'll feel the best you have, and have the least amount of bloat. I eat wheat now one day a week if that.

    Another benefit is less carbohydrates that you have to worry about turning into body fat.
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    I read wheat belly. I was also vegetarian from childhood to about age 22. I can agree that wheat is extremely inflammatory, causes insulin resistance, love handles, and diabetes. Plus, eating a bunch of wheat (and btw there is NO difference between white and wheat bread!!!!!) makes people feel like they ate a roll of paper towels: bloated and not satisfied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post
    I could care less about studies saying its good/bad. Lean meats, whole grains, and healthy fats are a staple of my diet. I was raised on it and I shall continue.
    Bingo. People make nutrition too hard. Whole grains are good. If you notice they upset the GI or make you bloated or lethargic, don't eat them. Eat something else. If not, they supply some good nutrition. I'm not saying eat a whole loaf of 100% whole wheat bread, but if you like it, nothing wrong with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Dan View Post
    As far as bread is concerned I tend to only eat sprouted wheat bread or ezekiel bread.
    For the most part I do the same, although I will eat an occasional whole wheat wrap or whole wheat english muffin if they are in the house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hossjob View Post
    Bingo. People make nutrition too hard. Whole grains are good. If you notice they upset the GI or make you bloated or lethargic, don't eat them. Eat something else. If not, they supply some good nutrition. I'm not saying eat a whole loaf of 100% whole wheat bread, but if you like it, nothing wrong with it.
    Whole grain doesn't have any particular meaning and not all grains contain gluten (e.g. rice, buckwheat).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja
    Whole grain doesn't have any particular meaning and not all grains contain gluten (e.g. rice, buckwheat).
    Isnt it just a gimic companies came up with to sell more "healthier" foods.? I believe there isnt much criteria behind what exactly whole grain is defined as
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    Quote Originally Posted by machorox123 View Post
    Isnt it just a gimic companies came up with to sell more "healthier" foods.? I believe there isnt much criteria behind what exactly whole grain is defined as
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Bingo.
    I thought whole wheat was really the grey area, while whole grain actually had to be the entire grain? I know some whole wheat products are really no different than processed white products
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeySon View Post
    I thought whole wheat was really the grey area, while whole grain actually had to be the entire grain? I know some whole wheat products are really no different than processed white products
    Well, corn is technically a grain and that **** is dirty.

    Also, metabolically, wheat and white have very little difference.
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    These still contain glutens

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    As far as bread is concerned I tend to only eat sprouted wheat bread or ezekiel bread.
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    Re: The Truth About Wheat...


    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Well, corn is technically a grain and that **** is delicious
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    You misspelled delicious


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    LOL

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    What's there to lose to go grain free for 2 weeks? Only a couple body fat percentages.

    I never thought that I had any gluten sensitivity til I went gf and found that I had absolutely no bloat after 1 week.

    YOLO, why not try it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pypp View Post
    What's there to lose to go grain free for 2 weeks? Only a couple body fat percentages.

    I never thought that I had any gluten sensitivity til I went gf and found that I had absolutely no bloat after 1 week.

    YOLO, why not try it out.
    You say you never knew you had an issue until you went gluten free. What prompted you to go gf? Also, what does a typical couple days look like for your diet?
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    after tearing a nerve and being out of the gym for 6 months I focused mainly on dieting and found the paleo diet. And tried it out fora month and seen great results, and never went back

    Breakfast: 2 cups Buckwheat(1 scoop of protein powder/ 1 TBS 100% Cocoa/ 1/2 banana/ dash of Cinnamon/ flax seeds/ in almond milk) 1/3 avacado

    Snack: Stir fry with either chicken, beef, or lamb.

    Pre-workout: Banana w/ cup of blueberries

    Post-work out: BCAA, with a spinach,blueberry, protein, almond milk shake.

    Dinner. Stir fry veggies with grass fed meat of choice. 1/2 avacado (or scrambled eggs with mixed veggies)

    I eat at least 1 usually 2 avacados a day

    I have 4-6 bowel movements a day, this is cause there is no gluten in my foods. Gluten slows down digestion for everyone, just some people cant hadle it at all. With all the bowel movements there is no bloat whatsoever. Give it a a try, seriously the only thing your gonna lose is bloat and bf %.







    Quote Originally Posted by JoeySon View Post
    You say you never knew you had an issue until you went gluten free. What prompted you to go gf? Also, what does a typical couple days look like for your diet?
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    First section is all about gluten and how it effects non-celliac people.

    http://jasoncholewa.com/2012/07/22/p...-avoid-gluten/

    I am working on an updated version to this that will specifically address wheat, the evolution of wheat from an indiginous grass to global grain, and the effects of gluten on human physiology (including PPAR activation and adiposity). That's maybe a month away, but the above first 4-5 paragraphs of that blog should give you an idea of why it might be time to avoid gluten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pypp View Post
    after tearing a nerve and being out of the gym for 6 months I focused mainly on dieting and found the paleo diet. And tried it out fora month and seen great results, and never went back

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    Similar story, I went gluten free after I broke my foot. I won't go back. I'm the opposite though: I find my bowels are more regular, compared to before when I had squirts several days a week.
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    J Physiol Biochem. 2010 Jun;66(2):153-9. Epub 2010 Jun 1.
    Gliadins induce TNFalpha production through cAMP-dependent protein kinase A activation in intestinal cells (Caco-2).

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    Celiac disease is an autoimmune enteropathy caused by a permanent intolerance to gliadins. In this study the effects of two gliadin-derived peptides (PA2, PQPQLPYPQPQLP and PA9, QLQPFPQPQLPY) on TNFalpha production by intestinal epithelial cells (Caco-2) and whether these effects were related to protein kinase A (PKA) and/or -C (PKC) activities have been evaluated. Caco-2 cell cultures were challenged with several sets of gliadin peptides solutions (0.25 mg/mL), with/without different activators of PKA or PKC, bradykinin (Brdkn) and pyrrolidine dithiocarbamate (PDTC). The gliadin-derived peptides assayed represent the two major immunodominant epitopes of the peptide 33-mer of alpha-gliadin (56-88) (LQLQPFPQPQLPYPQPQLPYPQPQLPYPQ PQPF). Both peptides induced the TNFalpha production triggering the inflammatory cell responses, the PA2 being more effective. The addition of the peptides in the presence of dibutyril cyclic AMP (cAMP), Brdkn or PDTC, inhibited the TNFalpha production. The PKC-activator phorbol 12-myristate 13-diacetate additionally increased the PA2- and PA9-induced TNFalpha production. These results link the gliadin-derived peptides induced TNFalpha production through cAMP-dependent PKA activation, where ion channels controlling calcium influx into cells could play a protective role, and requires NF-kappaB activation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pypp View Post
    What's there to lose to go grain free for 2 weeks? Only a couple body fat percentages.

    I never thought that I had any gluten sensitivity til I went gf and found that I had absolutely no bloat after 1 week.

    YOLO, why not try it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    First section is all about gluten and how it effects non-celliac people.

    http://jasoncholewa.com/2012/07/22/p...-avoid-gluten/

    I am working on an updated version to this that will specifically address wheat, the evolution of wheat from an indiginous grass to global grain, and the effects of gluten on human physiology (including PPAR activation and adiposity). That's maybe a month away, but the above first 4-5 paragraphs of that blog should give you an idea of why it might be time to avoid gluten.

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    I find your article interesting and full of a variety of information.

    It's nice to see a study on gluten in a non-celiac body but I was disappointed to see study subjects suffering from inflammatory bowel disease. Do you know of any studies where gluten ingestion by healthy people has been monitored?

    I personally eat gluten containing grains and while I don't notice any drawbacks, if there is a negative biological process taking place in my healthy body I would like to curb it. I just haven't seen the evidence that as a healthy individual gluten is bad for me and would appreciate any links or discussion.

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    Currently contemplating the Paleo diet, so this is good schtuff, mang.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pypp View Post
    after tearing a nerve and being out of the gym for 6 months I focused mainly on dieting and found the paleo diet. And tried it out fora month and seen great results, and never went back

    Breakfast: 2 cups Buckwheat(1 scoop of protein powder/ 1 TBS 100% Cocoa/ 1/2 banana/ dash of Cinnamon/ flax seeds/ in almond milk) 1/3 avacado

    Snack: Stir fry with either chicken, beef, or lamb.

    Pre-workout: Banana w/ cup of blueberries

    Post-work out: BCAA, with a spinach,blueberry, protein, almond milk shake.

    Dinner. Stir fry veggies with grass fed meat of choice. 1/2 avacado (or scrambled eggs with mixed veggies)

    I eat at least 1 usually 2 avacados a day

    I have 4-6 bowel movements a day, this is cause there is no gluten in my foods. Gluten slows down digestion for everyone, just some people cant hadle it at all. With all the bowel movements there is no bloat whatsoever. Give it a a try, seriously the only thing your gonna lose is bloat and bf %.
    Not to hijack the thread but I eat a fair amount of gluten a day (whole grain breads, begal, and etc.) and still have at least 4 bowel movements a day. Does gluten just not affect my digestion? Do I have a fast or slow metabolism? Or is there possibly and underlying problem?
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    Excuse me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Paleo diet exclude all carbs outside of fruits and veg? I don't think I would have a problem going gluten-free but I don't think I could give up my milk. Unless milk has gluten lol it's a little confusing what's allowed and what's not
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    I find your article interesting and full of a variety of information.

    It's nice to see a study on gluten in a non-celiac body but I was dissapointed to see study subjects suffering from inflammatory bowel disease. Do you know of any studies where gluten ingestion by healthy people has been monitored?

    I personally eat gluten containing grains and while I don't notice any drawbacks, if there is a negative biological process taking place in my healthy body I would like to curb it. I just haven't seen the evidence that as a healthy individual gluten is bad for me and would appreciate any links or discussion.

    Regards,

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    Hard to find things in healthy humans, as a lot of the measures would be invasive.

    In mice a gluten-free diet of equal caloric consumption led to (both designed to induce obesity) led to lower fat gain, inflammation, and a greater degree of PPAR activation and insulin sensitivity. And thats in an animal that evolved to eat grains, so its hard to deduce how that might translate to humans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeySon View Post
    Excuse me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Paleo diet exclude all carbs outside of fruits and veg? I don't think I would have a problem going gluten-free but I don't think I could give up my milk. Unless milk has gluten lol it's a little confusing what's allowed and what's not
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeySon View Post
    Excuse me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Paleo diet exclude all carbs outside of fruits and veg? I don't think I would have a problem going gluten-free but I don't think I could give up my milk. Unless milk has gluten lol it's a little confusing what's allowed and what's not
    The idea of "paleo" is surrounded by dogma and is kinda cultish at times. The only thing that is really avoided by all paleo variations is beans and wheat. Milk, cheess, potatoes, rice etc are kind of grey area and up to the individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post

    The idea of "paleo" is surrounded by dogma and is kinda cultish at times. The only thing that is really avoided by all paleo variations is beans and wheat. Milk, cheess, potatoes, rice etc are kind of grey area and up to the individual.

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    Yeah, i should have said "modified paleo"..ie avoiding most grains, most of the time. Beans i will be keeping along with cheese and yoghurt. Leave my cheese alone, or I will hurt someone

    All "diets" get cultish after awhile. Basically, people keep re-inventing the BBing lifestyle as re-packaging as something new and awesome. There is some newer, interesting data on grains and inflammation so I'd like to go grainless for awhile and see if it resolves my inflammation issues....but I'm not joining a cult unless there are tons of hot chicks who worship me based on my grainlessness.
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    Re: The Truth About Wheat...


    Beans contain anti-nutrients (phytates and lectins) which steal minerals minerals from the body. Also there is a risk of intestinal damage (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0000687) plus a likeyhood of altering gut flora which will comprimise overall health. We also see a small connection betwenn lectin consumption and lepitin resistance ( http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6823/5/10)

    However if you are really determined to get beans, soaking them overnight has been shown to be helpful in removing the lectin http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...40100220137655 but I say why bother with them. Their nutrient content honestly isn't all that too impressive g for g with other choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    The idea of "paleo" is surrounded by dogma and is kinda cultish at times. The only thing that is really avoided by all paleo variations is beans and wheat. Milk, cheess, potatoes, rice etc are kind of grey area and up to the individual.

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    This is why I promote more of the Primal approach instead of strict Paleo because, as you said, it gets far too dogmatic and anal.

    I personally use whey, but not much casein and/or milk as it does make me bloat. I still love the taste, but I look like I ate a football for the rest of the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeySon View Post
    Excuse me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Paleo diet exclude all carbs outside of fruits and veg? I don't think I would have a problem going gluten-free but I don't think I could give up my milk. Unless milk has gluten lol it's a little confusing what's allowed and what's not
    I didn't think I could drop milk from my diet; considering I used to drink 1.6 litres of milk per day so instead I just swapped it for lactose free;
    I didnt think I had bloat before but now I notice a HUGE difference.
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    I really hate the term paleo, especially now that it is also highly associated with crossfit.

    The truth is humans living in the upper and lower paleolithic era collected and consumed indigenous grains (including wheat in some areas) and beans. Additionally, early humans derived a good 30-40% of their calories from starch in the form of tubers: starchy roots.

    I really prefer the term "minimally processed fresh food"...which by its nature cuts out most grains and processed tubers. Starches and carbohydrates come from fruits, vegetables, and some tubers. In that same nature, you can select your dairy. American cheese is highly processed, while cheddar is minimally. Greek yogurt > regular yogurt, etc. Same with meats, vegetables, on and on.

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    Thank you, gentlemen. That's kinda what I envision for "paleo". As a biologist, I have a good sense of what our ancestors ate and I've kept that in mind as a baseline when considering our current diet related ills. I'm not going to get too crazy with it, but its good to hear all the great perspectives of those who've already tried or studied these diet modalities.

    When I am eating "clean", it pretty much resembles this style of diet. Mostly, its just time to clean up my diet act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    I really hate the term paleo, especially now that it is also highly associated with crossfit.

    The truth is humans living in the upper and lower paleolithic era collected and consumed indigenous grains (including wheat in some areas) and beans. Additionally, early humans derived a good 30-40% of their calories from starch in the form of tubers: starchy roots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    I really hate the term paleo, especially now that it is also highly associated with crossfit.

    The truth is humans living in the upper and lower paleolithic era collected and consumed indigenous grains (including wheat in some areas) and beans. Additionally, early humans derived a good 30-40% of their calories from starch in the form of tubers: starchy roots.

    I really prefer the term "minimally processed fresh food"...which by its nature cuts out most grains and processed tubers. Starches and carbohydrates come from fruits, vegetables, and some tubers. In that same nature, you can select your dairy. American cheese is highly processed, while cheddar is minimally. Greek yogurt > regular yogurt, etc. Same with meats, vegetables, on and on.

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