Eat Junk, Still Make Gains?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    protein needs to be at least 40 preferably 50 % for this to work optimally for ME....for you? who knows....but we weigh about the same, I usually take in 240-260 grams of protein a day....but with the PH's now I try to take in 340-360. its HARD...even with protein shakes. this way, you keep off the fat gains. If you eat a lot of non-healthy options....AND you have your carbs high especially....i think you might put on some fat. and lets be real, not all of this is "junk food", a double CB at wendy's does have 50 grams of protein....not like eating fries or a frosty and getting 500-700 cals and virtually no protein lol. sure there is a lot of fat in the burger as well (and the white bread bun)....but I look at the best bang for the calories vs protein. protein must be high, then its not "junk" to me.
    That's an absorb amount of protein. U have to be pooting a lot.

    Either way I think I will try and stick with the 40/30/30. They say that's the optiomal ratio to burn fat and make muscle gains (even 45/35/20 C-P-F). I think the 40/30/30 zone diet is a bit easier... My problem I'm heavy on the carbs....
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  2. My theory with the protein is your body can only absorb roughly 30gs at a time, fine they have casin...
    But u only enough protein for lean body mass...
    Unless your point was consuming it that high to burn fat, Bird....
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    That's an absorb amount of protein. U have to be pooting a lot.

    Either way I think I will try and stick with the 40/30/30. They say that's the optiomal ratio to burn fat and make muscle gains (even 45/35/20 C-P-F). I think the 40/30/30 zone diet is a bit easier... My problem I'm heavy on the carbs....
    yes, i was doing the 40-30-30 for a long while previous to bumping up just recently to 50% protein. it works great, that is where I was talking about taking in 240-250 grams of protein...i think that is right around 40% for us....also, the isocaloric works well too....1/3 of your calories from each....I've always had success with that......

  4. Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    My theory with the protein is your body can only absorb roughly 30gs at a time, fine they have casin...
    But u only enough protein for lean body mass...
    Unless your point was consuming it that high to burn fat, Bird....
    I don't subscribe to that "30 grams at a time" stuff.....whether its fact or not? I don't know....but I always shoot for 50 grams at a time....if I have to I go even higher towards 60 or 70. not very often, I try to keep it as close to 50 at a time.....but sometimes you gotta cram some protein in....

  5. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    yes, i was doing the 40-30-30 for a long while previous to bumping up just recently to 50% protein. it works great, that is where I was talking about taking in 240-250 grams of protein...i think that is right around 40% for us....also, the isocaloric works well too....1/3 of your calories from each....I've always had success with that......
    The 1/3 rule seems close to the 40/30/30...

    33% of each it's upping the fats and protein and dropping the carbs a bit, I could see that working....
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  6. i do buy a lot of gas-x LOL....to make sure I am covered in that regard tums as well.....helps with stomach acid and is a calcium supplement that tastes pretty good in fruit flavor. make sure to keep an eye on how many tums you take while on keto diets though....few grams of carbs in there lol....

  7. Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    The 1/3 rule seems close to the 40/30/30...

    33% of each it's upping the fats and protein and dropping the carbs a bit, I could see that working....
    essentially they are the same damn thing lol. its like nitpicking trying to figure out which one you used that particular day. the 40% works in more protein....so I agree I like that one better. for fat loss, maybe the iso works better....but for lifting I prefer 40-30-30 yeah.....

  8. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
    i do buy a lot of gas-x LOL....to make sure I am covered in that regard tums as well.....helps with stomach acid and is a calcium supplement that tastes pretty good in fruit flavor. make sure to keep an eye on how many tums you take while on keto diets though....few grams of carbs in there lol....
    Never see me do a keto diet... Maybe low carb, maybe moderate carb... But keto that can't taste good at all... All I think
    Of off keto is advacados and chicken....
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    I'd love to eat fries and burgers and food from chick Fil a and make gains
    I havent had a hamburger in years, fries...? Haha. I have been dieting for years. Only now Im coming off as I have decided to make 2012 a year of building my body up. Not meaning Im going to go and eat everything. Im just not going to be as restrictive. I am not ending my no gluten rule (as that is genetic), but I am going to incorporate more of a building strategy in my goals specially when I come off into PCT.

    BTW, PL'rs will eat that, and then wash it down with a shake of each flavor and say their gains are awesome lol.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    essentially they are the same damn thing lol. its like nitpicking trying to figure out which one you used that particular day. the 40% works in more protein....so I agree I like that one better. for fat loss, maybe the iso works better....but for lifting I prefer 40-30-30 yeah.....
    A good amount agree on that 40/30/30.
    The science behind it is keeping everything balanced and you're not getting "too much" so to speak of 1 thing.

    Like I said I heard the variation of 45-35-20 works as well.... But as I said 40-30-30 is easier.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    I havent had a hamburger in years, fries...? Haha. I have been dieting for years. Only now Im coming off as I have decided to make 2012 a year of building my body up. Not meaning Im going to go and eat everything. Im just not going to be as restrictive. I am not ending my no gluten rule (as that is genetic), but I am going to incorporate more of a building strategy in my goals specially when I come off into PCT.

    BTW, PL'rs will eat that, and then wash it down with a shake of each flavor and say their gains are awesome lol.
    I can't stop eating burgers a few times per week.....but I never never eat the fries or soda or shakes or any of that crap. occasionally I eat me a double QPC with a 10 piece nuggets lol....hey they are the two highest protein sources at that place....but only once a month or two on that....usually a wendy's double....those are so good....

  12. Quote Originally Posted by mattrag

    I havent had a hamburger in years, fries...? Haha. I have been dieting for years. Only now Im coming off as I have decided to make 2012 a year of building my body up. Not meaning Im going to go and eat everything. Im just not going to be as restrictive. I am not ending my no gluten rule (as that is genetic), but I am going to incorporate more of a building strategy in my goals specially when I come off into PCT.

    BTW, PL'rs will eat that, and then wash it down with a shake of each flavor and say their gains are awesome lol.
    They are making strength gains... lol...

    Screw the gains for right now, training will bring that... But what about overall body composition?
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Never see me do a keto diet... Maybe low carb, maybe moderate carb... But keto that can't taste good at all... All I think
    Of off keto is advacados and chicken....
    keto sucks for me due to the hidden carbs in protein powders and even crap like tums and EVERYWHERE...they add up so quick and BAM you're at the 30 gram mark. I love eating eggs, sausage, bacon, chicken, beef, all that stuff.....but you have to wait for the weekend to eat any sort of carbs...and that sucks....by sunday you are sick of carbs anyways after pigging out saturday and bloating the shyt out of yourself lol....I prefer the low carb/cycle the carbs approach if anything.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    I can't stop eating burgers a few times per week.....but I never never eat the fries or soda or shakes or any of that crap. occasionally I eat me a double QPC with a 10 piece nuggets lol....hey they are the two highest protein sources at that place....but only once a month or two on that....usually a wendy's double....those are so good....

    lmao, I can dig it...
    I like Chik Fil A...
    Bottle water, chicken sandwich, sweet BBQ squads and some fries (go large on dem deer fries?)
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    lmao, I can dig it...
    I like Chik Fil A...
    Bottle water, chicken sandwich, sweet BBQ squads and some fries (go large on dem deer fries?)
    chik-fil-a is my favorite of all time....even as a little kid we'd go to the mall and eat there....still to this day I love it....i usually get the original chicken sandwich and a box of nuggets....again high protein choices....the one by my house is in this HUGE mall so you have to park and go inside the food court...not my thing....and the drive-thru is about 20 minutes drive one way for me, and whats worse is that at the drive-thru place it never tastes right. they are newly opened and seem to fuq up the food if that is possible. but they do it...... the mall always got it right...

  16. Your over thinking this, just eat and see what works for you. Also the 30g at a time rule is broscience man. Your body will absorb whatever you put into it. Will anything more then 1g per lb of bodyweight do much for you gains? No body knows but I love meat so I eat as much as I want. Ive still gained 30lbs in about 10-11 monthes with about no fat gain.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    chik-fil-a is my favorite of all time....even as a little kid we'd go to the mall and eat there....still to this day I love it....i usually get the original chicken sandwich and a box of nuggets....again high protein choices....the one by my house is in this HUGE mall so you have to park and go inside the food court...not my thing....and the drive-thru is about 20 minutes drive one way for me, and whats worse is that at the drive-thru place it never tastes right. they are newly opened and seem to fuq up the food if that is possible. but they do it...... the mall always got it right...
    I normally get 2 grilled chicken clubs, 70g protein, 70g carbs 8-9g fiber i believe, and about 30g fats. Hellll yeaaaaa

  18. Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    So what do you eat?
    Depends on my goals at the time. When I am really seeking gains in strength, I eat whatever I desire at that time, but keep it clean ~80% of the time. When I'm focusing on conditioning and taking off some fat, I eat 100% Primal. Today falls into that category and I ate:

    Meal 1:
    10 oz chicken
    12 oz red potatoes
    Spinach salad

    Train
    Pre-WO:
    10g BCAA, 3.2g BA
    Intra:
    15g MAP, 1.6g BA
    Post:
    Greek Yogurt
    Banana

    Meal 2:
    8 oz Salmon
    Roma Tomato
    Bacon
    Spinach

    Meal 3:
    10 oz chicken
    Spinach

    That's it so far and have another meal or two to go.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  19. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Depends on my goals at the time. When I am really seeking gains in strength, I eat whatever I desire at that time, but keep it clean ~80% of the time. When I'm focusing on conditioning and taking off some fat, I eat 100% Primal. Today falls into that category and I ate:

    Meal 1:
    10 oz chicken
    12 oz red potatoes
    Spinach salad

    Train
    Pre-WO:
    10g BCAA, 3.2g BA
    Intra:
    15g MAP, 1.6g BA
    Post:
    Greek Yogurt
    Banana

    Meal 2:
    8 oz Salmon
    Roma Tomato
    Bacon
    Spinach

    Meal 3:
    10 oz chicken
    Spinach

    That's it so far and have another meal or two to go.
    you must not have to work, and have time to cook and eat all day. Or maybe you work for food network? in that case you'd be at work and be cooking all day at the same time. If so say hi to giada and rachael for me, I watch them and never even know WTF they cooked that show.

  20. Thats how I eat when I eat clean too^

    except a lot more taters haha. I havent tried cut tho in over a year.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    you must not have to work, and have time to cook and eat all day. Or maybe you work for food network? in that case you'd be at work and be cooking all day at the same time. If so say hi to giada and rachael for me, I watch them and never even know WTF they cooked that show.
    Maybe your just lazy and dont know how to cook in bulk?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    Maybe your just lazy and dont know how to cook in bulk?
    I do NOT like to cook in bulk....I prefer things to be freshly cooked...so sue me......

  23. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    you must not have to work, and have time to cook and eat all day. Or maybe you work for food network? in that case you'd be at work and be cooking all day at the same time. If so say hi to giada and rachael for me, I watch them and never even know WTF they cooked that show.
    Or it's a Sunday and I'm off. Regardless, I eat like this pretty much year-round and cooking daily is something I've done for a decade.

    Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    Thats how I eat when I eat clean too^

    except a lot more taters haha. I havent tried cut tho in over a year.
    I ate a lot of crap yesterday and had plenty in the glycogen stores.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  24. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    I do NOT like to cook in bulk....I prefer things to be freshly cooked...so sue me......
    haha so dont assume everyone else has a problem with it too.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Or it's a Sunday and I'm off. Regardless, I eat like this pretty much year-round and cooking daily is something I've done for a decade.



    I ate a lot of crap yesterday and had plenty in the glycogen stores.
    yeah I'm off sunday and monday.....and saturday too if there is college football and/or I am taking classes....So I tend to be able to cook those days....I CAN cook.....but man I hate it.....
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